RWBY General Discussion

harostar: I dont think so considering how weiss outbrust was the final straw(well that and saying he marry into the family, that hurt him), I think it happen naturaly: weiss just grow close to winter and let whietly aside, is probably one weak point of him.

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So I'm guessing the deer horns are what did it for the proposed RWBY version.

Coincidentally it seems like the Apathy was closer to what the Wendigo is - at least in spirit/association with winter/selfishness.

Edited by FOFD on Jul 16th 2020 at 8:24:49 AM

Akira Toriyama (April 5 1955 - March 1, 2024).

Well my copies of After the Fall and Before the Dawn just arrived in the mail today. Time to get reading.

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Yeah, that is apparently the primary issue from what I am gathering? The Deer Head monster thing is apparently an old bastardization of the myth, though it does look very cool.

OH NO the books are out, time to go binge read. ETA: Darn, mine is a Kindle edition so it won't be released until the 21st. Be sure to share any juicy tidbits!

Edited by harostar on Jul 16th 2020 at 4:39:35 AM

Whilst there are deer-headed beings in some Native American cultures in the case of how it got associated with the wendigo IIRC was because of an author taking European folklore about a deer-headed creature and slapping a Native American name on it.

Also I should probably read After the Fall already rather than keep dodging spoilers.

That and europe does like antlers based creatures: the demi god pan, deers, goats, etc I think the deer was easly struck by european and got stuck there.

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(I have got to stay off of tumblr. It's not good for my sanity.)

Came across two analysis posts for Jaune arguing he's not going to be an offensive fighter nor is he going to face Cinder again. And they argue that anyone thinking differently is missing the point of his character... SIGH. I could go into an entire rant on how filled with Skewed Priorities and ignoring of canon these posts are... but instead, I'm just gonna point out the logical issues in each one.

• They think Jaune no longer has his greatsword mode anymore just because he hasn't used it in Volume 7. The absence of evidence though is not the evidence of absence. The Greatsword Jaune used to attack threats that his normal blade couldn't cut. Both the fight with the Knuckleavee and the Colossus had him use it because his normal sword couldn't even scratch them. He hasn't faced any enemies in Volume 7 that necessitated using it. And he only used it against Cinder cause he was blinded by rage.
• They say "And during the climactic battle for Mantle, while his comrades are battling hordes of giant monsters, Jaune is coordinating the evacuation, guiding civilians to safety and empowering Ren’s Semblance to keep the people safe." Except he was fighting the Grimm before helping Ren's semblance.
• They say "He is not here to slay monsters. He is here to save lives." Last I checked being a Huntsman included killing Grimm, meaning it's part of the job to slay monsters.
• They say "Pretty fitting for a character based on Joan of Arc." Except last I checked Red Riding Hood didn't use a scythe, Snow White wasn't a fencer, Belle wasn't a Ninja, Goldilocks wasn't a brawler, the Scarecrow wasn't a swordsman or used a scythe, Mulan wasn't a gunslinger, and Thor didn't use grenades. The inspiration doesn't justify the what the character will do, it's just who was used as a basis.
• They argue that Cinder fighting Jaune or Ruby and Tyrian fighting Qrow misses the idea that "That these obsessive grudges, vendettas and revenge-quests are all inherently self-destructive." Except no, this is simple set up and pay off. If you set up the idea that Qrow will have a vendetta with Tyrian or that Jaune has a reason to fight Cinder, there needs to actually be payoff. And yet they try to justify it using Cinder, Adam, and Hazel, except the former two are psychotic, and the latter is in the throes of grief and Misplaced Retribution.

And the dumb part is seeing that the former post has over 3000 notes on it implying a combination of likes and reblogs. At least the latter only has about 30 meaning people realized that one is stupid.

(Yeah, I've gotta stay off tumblr. A lot of the people there in the FNDM seem to either be assholes, the unholy fusion of Insane Troll Logic and "Everyone Is Gay or Trans", massively entitled about what they want, talk like they know better than the writers, or engage in Complaining About Shows You Don't Watch.)

• I'm not being dismissive, it's just people seem to think characters are transgender either just because their inspiration was the opposite gender (Jaune) or because of the clothes they wear (Nora's Atlas outfit vaguely having the colors of the Trans flag. And not even the confirmation that May Marigold is the first actual transgender character in the series has gone anything to change this.

Edited by RebelFalcon on Jul 16th 2020 at 9:12:00 AM

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Is this a recent trend? I thought I was fairly well-read, but I don't recall ever encountering the idea of Wendigo with horns until I heard about this competition argument and saw that both Wendigo depictions had horns (antlers for the one, kudu-esque for the other). A quick google image search does throw up some antlered/horned Wendigo art, but it all looks fairly recently (within the last few years), all pop culture and video game based — not sources I have any familiarity with, which tend to be older.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Jul 16th 2020 at 1:52:11 PM

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.

From what I understand Trans Headcanons are just a fun thing people like to do with there Faves. Even if it's likely to not be made Canon in the show proper.

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Different from what I've come across. Then again, I'm also apart of the Nasuverse fandom, and they treat characters being trans as way more than fanon and tend to attack people for disagreeing. So I might just be jaded after seeing one too many "Mordred is trans and should be referred to as he" posts.

My point still stands though. I need to stop going on tumblr.

Edited by RebelFalcon on Jul 16th 2020 at 10:33:41 AM

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The weird thing is I typically have the opposite experience, I'm usually able to stay away from the darker parts of it, and find tumblr to be one of the few spots where I like looking for RWBY stuff without toxicity and such. Namely do to finding others who like dissecting the actual story and such.

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Guess I just have bad luck then. Maybe my new name should be Qrow.

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I mean, there the posibility of jaune and ruby teamin against cinder, if writer find a way for yang and blake to kill Adam at the same time.....

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

@Jaune Shouldn't Fight: That's the problem of having Loads And Loads Of Characters and realizing that the Deuteragonist had a nasty case of Spotlight-Stealing Squad that needed to be curbed.

Edited by Psyga315 on Jul 16th 2020 at 10:05:09 AM

I will said because jaune feel more like a main chararter than Ruby: he is weak and can progress in his techniques, meanwhile ruby is already good(quite a prodigy) and is already nice.

is the ron-kim phenomenon.

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Janie was only a Spotlight-Stealing Squad for a couple of episodes. And that's not even the reason they give.

Edited by Kylotrope on Jul 16th 2020 at 8:08:09 AM

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I mean people already said he feel like protagonist or cite him as the reason why they need to cut JNRP from the story.

I wont lie, I found them more compeling than RWBY at many time in the show.

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Probably sounding like a Broken Record at this point, but it's why they should have went with the original plans of calling the series "Remnant". The main group is pretty obviously an Ensemble Cast, but by calling it RWBY, it makes people think they are the definitive main characters. But an Ensemble Cast has no real definitive main character, meaning it would be more understandable for them to all regularly switch focus, since the cast itself is the main character. Doesn't help that of the Ensemble Cast, Ruby is one of the least developed and most poorly written, so anyone in the Ensemble Cast could feel like more of a main character than she does. Jaune, Blake, and Oscar in particular.

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Pretty much, I feel it was a change in writing after JNRP stuck around more and more they decide to integrated more.

I think people are see like anime with very small group of progonist when in reallity they are close to the chosen children of digimon(the first one) who were EIGHT children, try to balance that!.

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They did try, and in the process Hikari wasn't even in the story till the halfway point, Mimi and Jou were largely Out of Focus, and the partners were largely satellite characters to the Digidestined.

Also, as Wyld has pointed out, JNPR were always intended to be Main Characters, hence why they received just as much focus during the introductory arc as RWBY and featured prominently in the opening. Really, the only late comers were Qrow (Properly introduced in Volume 3), Oscar (Introduced in Volume 4), Maria (Introduced in Volume 6), and Sun and Penny (Both introduced at the tail end of Volume 1).

Edited by RebelFalcon on Jul 17th 2020 at 3:40:19 PM

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Joe and mimi wasnt so much underused as their persoanlity were more shallow for everyone, I find izzy the lest devop, aside of him being adopted he was just the smart guy in the room.

in the end charaterization is not boundless: there is only a amount of space you can use and you have to use is wisely, I will said that moving your chararter is like giving water to people in the desert: there is only so much water for all of them therefore you have to use it well.

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I found this quote on Adam and Blake's relationship in the commentary for Volume 3.

""He's not a cool guy, he is not [an] okay person... Yeah, um, Adam and Blake's relationship is extremely complicated and dark and we're finally starting to scratch the surface of that with this.""

From there wording, it sounds like the lack of direct indications about the nature of Adam and Blake's relationship and how Adam was an abusive boyfriend in the first 2 volumes wasnt some accident or mess up but was a very deliberate choice. And they had been waiting to be able to 'scratch the surface' of it til then.

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Meh? Imean we know Adam wasnt a okey due, the ideas was how it wasnt, people expect more "the world hurt me so they will paid" or "I will set faunus right by violence", instead they got kylo ren fursona.

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Kylo Ren Fursona

I might steal that

x7

I've often thought the same. Calling it RWBY is limiting because now there's expectations that the 4 characters are going to be the most important so the plot MUST revolve around them. As opposed to calling it remnant where the plot could unfold at a more balanced pace and everyone could get their chance to really shine without cries of "focus on the MAIN cast"