RWBY General Discussion

I haven't watched it yet, but I do get the point about Black Sun. Regardless of how you feel about any relationship, it was rather obvious Sun was set up as Blake's initial love interest.

But uh...needless to say, that didn't go over very well with the fans and they basically wanted Sun's head on a pike. So RT obliged by downplaying Sun's relationship with Blake and playing up Bumblebee for all it's worth.

I don't think he's particularly biased towards any ship, but rather he's calling out RT for some blatant pandering on their part.

Brings back Korra memories

Like, I get it, why this particular ship would mean a lot and stuff.

As a non-shipper myself, I think creators should at least make their endgame ships obvious from the get-go and build upon it over the course of the story. Fosters relationship and emotional developments. We all like that, right?

Unless you're trying to do what Legend of Korra did and deconstruct "first relationships," but even then that should be obvious.

Personally, I think the Bumblebee baiting (and, well, most of Blake's part) is becoming a Romantic Plot Tumor they need to surgically remove already.

Edited by erazor0707 on Feb 6th 2019 at 8:37:40 AM

Barabara and Arryn already said that whatever ship will be endgame has been planned since the beginning. Fan reaction did not influence that. If it turns out that Sun won't end up with Blake then he simply was a Red Herring. The creators admitted that they are not very good at writing romance which I think might have influenced how the relationship between Yang and Blake. They tried to not write it obvious and make it much more slowly happen instead of their usual relationships. Pair that with the tendencies of lesbian Ship Tease to be seen as simple Ho Yay and it's obvious why it was unexpected for many. Personally I think that their hesitance to write it like an obvious romance allowed the relationship to develop more naturally and evenly instead of forced and rushed. That's assuming that the two girls will be endgame. At the moment, about the reception, the biggest issue seems to be more with what Yang's orientation is and not just here. We might have another Elsa.

Anyway, a few things about volume seven have been revealed.

- Ruby's gift to Yang will be revealed

- RWBY gets new clothes and Blake a weapon.

- Adam is dead and Kerry thinks like a fifth of the fandom will hate him for that. Does Adam still qualify as a Hate Sink, since quite a few seem to like him or have sympathy for his scar.

- Though the possibility of Adam pulling a Darth Maul was mentioned. I've actually no idea what that means. That's a Star Wars character, right?

- Something really big, like bigger than the Leviathan was cut from the final and put in volume 7.

- The Dream Scene with Raven and Yang has not been retconned...yet. So far every plot point they had planned put couldn't put into the show has just been postponed to a later volume. So far they have only cut one thing: Sun and Neptune vs Nora and Pyrrha in the Vytal Festival.

- About Bumbleby, Kerry simply says that he won't tell anything because seeing it within the show would be much more existing and fulfilling than him just saying it.

Anyway, a by ideas what will happen with the Grimm by the end of the show? Do you think they will all be extinguished or will they be accepted as a natural part of the world? At the very least it was implied that them attacking humans was not supposed to happen. Or maybe we will have a Flying Monkey deal, where they accept someone else as their new master.

Yeah, I don't know how much I believe that based on what I've actually seen. Creators can say whatever they want.

And regardless if it was planned or not, still doesn't change how some things were altered to make it happen.

We can tell.

...not the word I'd use, but okay.

That was meant to be important?

No.

And yes, Darth Maul is a Star Wars character, one who was cut in half at the hip and then magically brought back with bionic legs in one of their animated shows a few years later. It's as bullshit as it sounds, both there and here.

That depends on whether they'll actually show it, or if it'll be like Ren and Nora, who have yet to actually act like a couple in any way.

Edited by TheLovecraftian on Feb 7th 2019 at 10:19:30 AM

Perhaps I'm being uncharitable, but consider me very skeptical to the idea that Yang/Blake was planned from the start and not put in after the fans shipped it in force (hell, they were paired up just off the trailers) despite them barely interacting for 2-3 volumes.

To be fair, bringing Darth Maul back allowed the writers to flesh him out into a threatening and fairly complex antagonist and to eventually give him a more fitting, dramatic demise. It will most likely not happen with Adam, but if did, it would be a good thing for the show.

Barely interacting? They had multiple one-or-one scenes together and have shown a great deal of emotion regarding each other. That might not be enough to properly set up a relationship, but they did interact a fair bit.

He's talking about them being shipped long before the series properly debuted just by their proximity in their trailers. They also barely interacted in the first season.

In fact, Blake had more of dynamic with Weiss than anything.

That applies to so many ships in the fandom. Look at Whiterose. Or Rosegarden. The fandom just likes to ship things.

I don't mind when it's just for fun or a sort of guilty pleasure, but the fans really need to understand the difference between Canon and Fanon.

While Eruption fan does have is bias at least he seen to kept himself tone down enough to be hear, he did admint in his episode 12 reaction that he consider the devoptment quite force, with the girl having a very bonding and shipping moment....after killing someone rather strong manner, or how Adam in the end was seen as shipping antagonist to die.

Now about shipping, for me bumblebee is going to happen, the bonding between yang and blake is quite obvious but some stuff still need to happen: Yang is still angry, she still having issue about her mother(which is sightly less abusive and edgy than Adam) and so ar not a good couple material.

About ruby and weiss....meh, I havent see anything that sugest that, for me ether she end with jaune or not end at all.

I like Ruby and Weiss' friendship a lot, they've built that one up properly. It's also arguably the fandom's most popular ship and one that I'm willing to bet is never, ever gonna happen.

Yeah, Is never going to happen, I feel yang and blake are going to be the les ship and ruby ether end with Jaune or oscar or with noone.

I'd criticize Ladybug and Freezerburn shippers along with the ones you describe, but I know where I belong.

That said, this:

needs to be repeated more often.

I don't think that it was necessary to do that to the character, nor was it ultimately beneficial. Darth Maul was fine enough as he was in the movies. He was a bit of wasted potential, yes, but he was also a threatening and cool enough villain as he was. He didn't really need to be further developed. And while this is a more personal thing, I don't think the direction his character went after being brought back did him any favors either. I don't think it improved him as a character, and I find his death a bit hackneyed.

My biggest issue with his return, though, is that it requires so many levels of suspension of disbelief that it becomes untenable. It's outright ridiculous to imagine he was just fine after being sliced in half. In that respect, I think them bringing back Adam would actually be less fantastical. It'd still be a horrible decision, but I could at least buy his survival better than Darth Maul's.

Dorry about the rant. I have some feelings regarding Darth Maul's portrayal in the animated series.

Still, I find the idea of bringing back Adam to be a terrible one. I hope they don't go through with it.

Edited by TheLovecraftian on Feb 7th 2019 at 1:10:27 PM

Yeah, problem with Adam is is fight was....okay at best, not the quality of raven vs cinder for example, the first part(episode 11) was good because monty footage but it rise question(like, when Adam learn to make shadows like that, how?) and the second was just meh.

second is that unless they ditch is crazy ex is not going to work and that part is too atach to him a this point, it will be a diferent chararter a this rate.

And going into is pass would be like showing Sienna after she die, just to remenber what he could have been.

He need to die, and I saying this as fan of Adam.

So that's what they meant with Darth Maul. I would actually welcome it, from what I've read so far.

Kerry also mentioned that Adam could still have been redeemed. It just didn't happen in this case. He believes that everyone can be redeemed,no matter how evil.

Let's be perfectly honest: Adam the murderous terrorist would be, from a narrative point of view, possibly redeemable. But Adam the abusive incel-like ex-boyfriend never, ever would.

I bet Kerry chose the light side path in KOTOR.

But yeah, if by "redeemed" one means "became a moral person " then it's hard to argue that someone cannot be at least theoretically redeemed. Nothing would stop Adam from randomly proclaiming "I will stop being an asshole now!" and turning himself in / becoming a hermit. It would be just unlikely given his characterization.

If Adam had stayed an amoral, but well intentioned terrorist, he could have been redeemed. But once they committed to making him into an evil ex-boyfriend, that door was firmly slammed shut.

Yeah, the moment he slap blake and slice Yang arm it was the point he cross by the fandom.

Because this is what I call the umbrige point, a moment is done so unlikable the chararter cross it, not matter what else did before, umbrige hurting harry was for many more henious than voldemort who is evil hitler.

The same can be said of other fandom and you see all the time, even if Adam could have being redeemed he need to suffer.

In my case I like Adam as evil, just a formidable antagonist, like killmonger to make a good comparation.

@Tharkun140: In KOTOR's defense, it does a significantly better job of making the big villain aka the Player Character earn their redemption versus the source material with Vader where the only thing he actually does after having his change of heart is save his son's life and die immediately afterwards. While it was cut from the final game, my favorite ending is the one in which Revan gets a Redemption Equals Death in the final battle.

That's also the case in Dragon Age: Origins if you opt to recruit Loghain where he joins your party for the final act of the story and is more than happy to make the final Heroic Sacrifice required to kill the archdemon; it's kinda a recurring BioWare/Obsidian trope.

Edited by CaptainCapsase on Feb 7th 2019 at 6:29:18 AM

I'm not bashing KOTOR by any means. I was just reminded of it by the "everyone can be redeemed" line and decided to make a joke about how Kerry's moral values are seemingly taken from video games.

Edit: But if we really want to talk about unearned redemptions, here is a rather extreme example.

Edited by Tharkun140 on Feb 7th 2019 at 10:27:57 AM

Yeah, that's something that absolutely deserved to be cut, unlike a lot of the other cool endings for the original (and especially the second) KOTOR. There's a right and a wrong way to redeem a major villain, and then there's stuff that's just lolwut like that.

Edited by CaptainCapsase on Feb 7th 2019 at 4:36:38 AM

not trying to go off topic but Star Wars suffers badly from charters getting redeemed to easily or going evil to easily.

Let me bring this back on topic then: Do you think the heroes in RWBY are being too forgiving? I'm talking mostly about the Ilia situation here, but also about Ruby ineffectually arguing with the villains during the Battle of Haven or Weiss casually coming to an agreement with Blake, despite the latter having participated in a crusade against the Schnee family.