The Scrappy Cleanup

Yeah the Road Runner is basically a plot device 90% of the time. Plus it was literally a rule that the Road Runner could never do anything directly to Wile E. Coyote. I can't see him as a Scrappy.

Edited by Karxrida on Jun 11th 2020 at 10:16:59 AM

Again, that doesn't matter. All that matters is if the audience hates him. I'm not saying they do, but c'mon.

I understand that. I'm just making some observations based on what's in the shorts and attempting to extrapolate from there.

Edited by Karxrida on Jun 12th 2020 at 12:32:00 PM

I was looking through Square Peg, Round Trope when I saw this:

• Ensemble Dark Horse is supposed to refer to when a minor character who does little in the story becomes unexpectedly popular with the fans. It isn't supposed to mean "any character besides the main character who is popular." There have even been cases where the main character or one of the main characters themselves were listed. However, unlike The Scrappy, multiple characters can qualify for a Darkhorse position, if they match the requirement of being minor characters. Some confusing one for the other, or wrongly assuming that the same rules apply for both, ended up unfairly deleting perfectly legitimate entries.

The second part wasn’t there the last time I checked this entry. Since when did the Scrappy have a one character limit? Was this ever discussed at all? I thought it was fine to have multiple entries as long as they meet the requirements. Granted, there’s far less Scrappies than people think there are but still. It all kind of depends on how long running or how consistently good the writing is.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Jun 16th 2020 at 5:27:46 AM

Yeah, I'm not sure when that was established. Who added that part?

Edit: Oh... tropineasily.

Yeah...

Glad to see their name for the 3rd time today, yeesh...

Starting to think they may need an official ATT report, tbh. They're a consistent troublemaker.

Edited by WarJay77 on Jun 16th 2020 at 4:30:46 AM

Yea, I just found that he was the one who made that edit...

Ive seen him around a lot on the parts of the wiki I go to, and I swear that he doesn’t think before he edits or posts things.

Anyways, since when did Square Peg, Round Trope get unlocked? Is it alright to delete that paragraph I showed?

Edited by PlasmaPower on Jun 16th 2020 at 5:38:14 AM

Yeah, delete it. It was made with no discussion and is outright misleading if not entirely false.

Edit: Report made, btw.

Edited by WarJay77 on Jun 16th 2020 at 4:47:25 AM

You do know it's rude to talk behind someone's back, right? And I already clarified why I made that edit in the report.

Talking on a public forum about an edit someone made isn't "talking behind someone's back". Anyone on the site can read this thread and post on it (if they aren't thread-suspended but whatever). It's not like we're gossiping about you in PMs.

Edited by WarJay77 on Jun 16th 2020 at 2:25:28 PM

Also, The Scrappy doesn't have a one character limit. It has an individual character limit. For example, just hypothetically, Team Rocket can't collectively count for The Scrappy, since audience opinions can vary for each of them. However, any of them individually count, if they meet the other requirements.

It's a rule stated on the original The Scrappy page and it has been there for as long as I can think. Of course there's no character limit for a work regarding The Scrappy or Ensemble Dark Horse. I just thought that groups can count for Darkhorses and I was wrong about that, sorry.

Yes, that's the problem; you added misinformation to the post. Even if it was well-intentioned and even if part of it might have been accurate, it's still best to double check these things. Especially since you added it to a definitions page. If this wasn't caught, it could've caused a lot of problems for us later.

I might have phrased myself a bit better, but that doesn't answer my question: Do groups count for Ensemble Dark Horse if they're minor characters?

No; it'd be the same as the scrappy where only individuals count so a group would need to include each character being individually loved/hated.

In fact, on the Ensemble Dark Horse thread, we had a debate over whether or not entire species (like Pokemon) could qualify with the consensus leaning to "no" because species aren't characters, but groups.

But if characters are listed individually or are The Dividual?

If they're individually popular they should be listed individually.

The Dividual is a special case since they're basically the same character according to the narrative, but even then it's a little ambiguous.

That said, the issue we're actually seeing with these tropes is less "Here are two characters fans like as a duo", but "Man, those fish in Animal Crossing are super popular/hated!" Groups simply don't qualify as characters which is why we specify, because basically EDH and TS are about characters, not groups or animals or what have you.

Edited by WarJay77 on Jun 16th 2020 at 2:56:10 PM

The following example was added to the Film section of YMMV.Artemis Fowl:

• The Scrappy: Mulch is by far the most despised part of the film in any review, with Josh Gad's lousy Batman impression that never stops vomiting exposition (which quite a few critics suspect was done to hastily patch up plot holes that were created by cutting scenes).

Does the example, qualify because The Scrappy is supposed to the character that's hated by a majority of a work's fanbase. But the film doesn't really have a fanbase, as it's hated by both fan's of the book it's very loosely based on, critics, and general audiences?

I've seen some people liking Mulch, though very few and inbetween. And yes, for this disliked work, the fanbase of the books and the critics should count as the fanbase of the movie, considering how nobody else watched it.

This is on The Chronicles of Narnia:

• The Scrappy : Father Christmas can be seen as this for more modern viewers who consider he feels out of place in a Fantasy setting which was suppose to have very little connection with Earth plus he's the one who said the infamous line "battles are ugly when women fight"

That's a very run-on sentence that never proves he's hated. Cut.

From Total Drama Presents: The Ridonculous Race

• The Adversity Twins, Mickey and Jay, who are virtually the same character, are extremely unpopular due to being complete clones of Cameron (right down to their designs being recolors of his original design), minus anything that made him likable (like his intellect or his ability to manipulate stronger competitors). Their forced The Woobie status that tries to make viewers feel sorry for them, and the initial belief that they would follow the underdog route, further added to their unpopularity.

I haven't really seen anyone in the fandom who vehemently dislikes them. They aren't really favorites, but I haven't seen any venomous hatred. People seem to be indifferent to them mostly.

There was a discussion about them on the thread a few months ago https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13598973560A64980100&page=130#3245.

Fair, but I can't really find evidence of them being hated.

To add, I’m basing my perception on fandom communities like the wiki and You Tube channels.

I've seen a lot of people who hate the twins on Deviantart and the show's wiki, but I've seen enough people who like them or are simply neutral with them as well. The most hated team from Ridonculous Race would be the LAR Pers, but they were removed because their reception is most likely intended (they were simply there to be first-elimination fodder without becoming Ensemble Darkhorses.

From the YMMV page of Wizards of Waverly Place:

• Max to some people, though Season 4 seemed to make people like him a lot more.
  • Max's conscience however is not really liked by anyone since his whole existence was just a reason to put Moises Arias on the show.

Max was Rescued from the Scrappy Heap, so he doesn't count by default and he was always a Base-Breaking Character like his siblings, given that, while he was an Annoying Younger Sibling, he also had his badass and funny moments, even before Season 4 supposedly saving him.

Does Conscience count? I didn't mind him at all, and I've seen people liking the concept behind him. Nevermind that the entry seems to be a thinly veiled excuse to bash Moises Arias.

Edited by tropineasily on Jun 19th 2020 at 10:43:39 AM