A dual approach? Most minefields will be a mixed bag of metal and plastic, so... when you do get indicators of metallic troublemakers, you can be pretty sure that the windblown dealie will find the more stealthy sort around that general area, too. <shrugs>
While I like the windblown device it wouldn't exactly be all that useful in areas that are near or in urban environs or in forested areas.
The mine sniffing rats actually seem to be fairly effective at finding the little plastic buggers.
Who watches the watchmen?UK plane in 'incredibly concerning' near miss with drone - police
The aircraft, carrying 62 people, was travelling at about 900 feet (274 metres) as it prepared to land at Newquay Airport in Cornwall on Wednesday afternoon when it reported a near miss with the drone which was flying alongside.
"This is an incredibly concerning incident; the close proximity of the drone to the passenger aircraft shows a complete disregard by the operator for public safety," said Inspector Dave Meredith from Devon and Cornwall Police.
Officers searched the nearby area but found neither the drone nor its operator.
The incident was the latest in a series involving drones and commercial aircraft.
In April, police said a British Airways passenger jet was hit by what most likely was a drone as it prepared to land at London's Heathrow Airport, Europe's busiest airport.
The plane landed safely but the increasing use of drones for commercial purposes, photography or leisure has led to fears they pose a serious risk to passenger aircraft.
Britain's Civil Aviation Authority last year issued a warning after seven incidents in less than 12 months where drones had flown near planes at different British airports.
Well, yeah. These unofficial flying objects can be a hazard. I remember back when I was in school we did start a large balloon as part of a physics experiment and our physics teacher had to notify the local air traffic control because the school is located beneath one of the principal airways out of Kloten Airport. US Airways flight 1549 was nearly brought down by bird strike; while drones are less dangerous than birds insofar as there is usually only one drone per incident, they still could cause an incident.
From the Yack Fest thread.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanBehold "Drone Surfing" Basically it is wind surfing but instead uses one of the larger drones to pull the surfer along.
Who watches the watchmen?X-Posting from US Culture
The Future of Drones The sky could soon be full of thousands of pilotless drones making deliveries, surveying property, even measuring air quality. Is that a good thing?
Amazon, for one, expects these sorts of pilotless deliveries to be commonplace in the coming years. The company recently won approval to test its Prime Air service, in which drones would carry packages right to customers’ doorsteps.
But some see more sinister possibilities.
With one million drones predicted to be sold [last] Christmas, the FAA is expecting more headaches, and the agency is not necessarily in the business of enforcing regulations against every private citizen.
Those headaches include well-publicized invasions of privacy, such as an incident in Kentucky when a hobbyist drone operator flew the device over the house of a man whose 16-year-old daughter was sunbathing.
(The father promptly shot down the drone, and was arrested on state charges of wanton endangerment and criminal mischief.)
Existing state laws against criminal trespass can be used for violations of privacy committed with hobbyist drones, Morrison said.
And anyone can use noflyzone.org to create their own personal restricted airspace over their property, preventing hobbyist drone operators from flying into that space—theoretically.
But for every hobbyist drone flying astray, there are a multitude of potential business and research opportunities for unmanned aircrafts, from farmers keeping an eye on their crops to scientists tracking sea lions. The commercial market for drones is expected to grow to $4.8 billion in the next five years, according to Winter Green Research.
In real estate, drones could prove useful in making photography of properties for sale much cheaper, said Karen Gibler, associate professor of real estate in the Georgia State Robinson College of Business.
“There’s even the idea of giving someone an aerial view of a property [with a drone] when an agent is marketing it, rather than hiring an aerial photographer with a helicopter,” she said.
Technological advances, such as improvements in software allowing drones to be quasi-autonomous and in hardware to provide large amounts of power to allow a drone to fly for years, could make “all-seeing eyes” hovering over American cities common.
“The Solar Eagle drone can stay aloft for five continuous years,” Morrison said. “It just gives a limitless surveillance capacity to the government.”
And this could all be perfectly legal.
As of now, there are few legal limits on the surveillance law enforcement can conduct in public spaces. The U.S. Supreme Court, under what’s called the “open fields” doctrine, has held that there is no expectation of privacy in outdoor areas not immediately close to a home, even on private property, Morrison said.
“So long as drones are deployed in a way so as not to detect any information happening inside private residences, several strands of the Supreme Court’s Fourth Amendment jurisprudence would seem to classify such surveillance as ‘not a search,’” she wrote in the Journal of Civil Rights and Economic Development.
In the meantime
As drone use evolves, the FAA wants to give ordinary hobbyists a way to have fun and avoid security and privacy headaches.
The agency is working on a new smartphone app, called B 4 UFLY, to help amateurs navigate the air safely. It includes a status indicator telling an operator if it’s OK to fly in their current location and a planning function for hobbyists to map out future flights.
Want to fly your own drone? The FAA offers this advice:
- Take lessons to learn to fly a drone safely.
- Contact the airport or air traffic control tower when flying within five miles of an airport.
- Don’t fly near manned aircraft.
- Don’t fly beyond your line of sight.
- Don’t fly your aircraft for payment or commercial purposes.
And...i'm out of future predictions... Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives
I figured that this is very much worth sharing: there's been a PBS series called Spies in the Wild which revolves around several different kind of robots painstakingly disguised as different kinds of animals.
Imagine the military and government applications of such equipment. Hell, they probably have them in large numbers already.
It would also be of note that if drones become increasingly used for commercial and official purposes their will likely be an array of regulations for their use just like with aircraft.
Who watches the watchmen?Usually technology advances faster than the laws, hopefully it won't need a disaster like the several the aviation world had until a regulatory body or laws regulating their usage came to fruition.
Inter arma enim silent leges, In the USA at least, I don't see our current administration being up to the task.
Disgusted, but not surprised"Pilotless drones" is a very bad case of Redundancy Department of Redundancy.
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.Nope. There be a big difference between remotely controlled and fully autonomous drones.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanOh, so that's what they meant with "pilotless"? Well, call me weird, but I don't really count remote-controlling people as "pilots". If you're not sitting in the damn thing itself and feel every single tumble and jerk and air bump it goes through, it doesn't count as "piloting".
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.Has anyone had any experience with flying the selfie drones? They have a certain amount of cute appeal to me, and are both cheap and portable, so I'm thinking of buying one.
and My head and the dictionary definition says a pilot is "a person who operates the flying controls of an aircraft", whether that's on the ground or in the vehicle. My heart says he should actually be in the bloody thing, otherwise he should be called the controller :)
edited 3rd Mar '17 8:19:24 AM by betaalpha
That's No True Scotsman as hell, man. The pilot is the person controlling the aircraft. Whether they're doing it from within the aircraft or not is irrelevant.
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.Pretty much what Betaalpha said. If you're not actually in the vehicle, then you will automatically have less concern for what would happen if you screw up, because the risk to your own life is completely removed. Plus, there's the disturbing "disassociation from the act" effect that was noted when comparing people who actually pilot combat aircraft and those who remotely control drone aircraft; the latter are considerably more willing to pull the trigger on the designated target, regardless of the possibility of civilian casualties.
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.Really? Is that pure theory or is there some practical evidence for this? While anecdotal, discussion earlier in this thread did imply strongly that the disassociation has little practical importance.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanYeah, you can Personal Dictionary that all you want and call them "operators" or something, but when you start getting confused by the idea of a "drone pilot" then that's on you, not the people calling people who fly drones "pilots".
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.The USAF is treating drone pilots as regular pilots though, much to the chagrin of fighter pilots.
Inter arma enim silent legesPilotless drones refer to Autonomous Craft. Drones are considered to be a form of piloted craft the only difference is the pilot is operating the craft remotely. So yes drones have pilots.
FAA Study Guide for becoming a Certified Drone Pilot They are called Remote Pilots and now have varying degrees of certification.
Medium sized drone with enough power to lift a person.
edited 3rd Mar '17 6:41:35 PM by TuefelHundenIV
Who watches the watchmen?Tuffle is right, the FAA will come around and a lot of the bad-boy antics: filming sunbathers, spying on the neighbors, "buzzzing" people, will get prosecuted under existing laws or laws will be made to remove the excuse "but it's a drone".
Someone did some illegal flying in Washington state I think it was, left their SD card in the drone and the police found it when it crashed. On their FB page, the police pretty much said "come forward and we'll offer a plea bargin" because after all, they had the picture of the drone's operator on the SD card.
All night at the computer, cuz people ain't that great. I keep to myself so I won't be on The First 48The bulk of drone sightings are actually benign.
What didn’t change, even as hundreds of thousands of drones joined the skies over the United States, is the number of dangerous close encounters with drones. The Academy of Model Aeronautics (AMA), a hobbyist organization founded in 1936, today published a report examining the reported close calls between drones and crewed aircraft. Looking at data collected and published by the FAA, the AMA report found that, out of a dataset of 1,270 drone sightings released in February 2017, only 44 of those encounters, or 3.4 percent, were near misses or close calls. Further, this is consistent with data provided in 2016 and 2015, where the number of closes calls hovered between 3.3 and 3.5 percent of the total reports.
“Back in the 70s and 80s, everything pilots saw was a UFO. Now everything they see is a drone,” laughed Richard Hanson, President of the Academy of Model Aeronautics. “Drones are the new UF Os.”
These reports come from pilots, and one possibility is that in the 2010s pilots are using “drone” to refer to any airborne thing they couldn’t quite discern, the way pilots in the past referred to such sightings as UF Os. Besides drones, objects pilots reported to the FAA and in the sightings data include balloons, birds, kites, parasails, and even a “blob.”
Basically the drone risk was over stated, still present but over stated.
Who watches the watchmen?UFO only means that the witness doesn't know what it is.
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.Yeah, UFO is literally "unidentified flying object", using it in that sense is actually the correct use of the term. If you can actually positively identify something as an extraterrestrial craft, then technically it's no longer a UFO.
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
From the man who created the wind blown Mine Kafon A drone to hunt and help dispose of mines. The drone maps an area to be cleared, uses an attached metal detector to find mines and mark their position, and finally lay a charge on the mine to set it off. He is hoping to be able to automate the process.
I like the idea in general but how does he hope to address the problem of low metal mines that have mostly non-metal parts?
edited 2nd Aug '16 5:15:33 PM by TuefelHundenIV
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