Welcome to the Content Violations Discussion forum, where we discuss whether a work violates The Content Policy.
Remember that the forum rules apply here
, plus the following:
- You don't PM moderators about stuff pertaining to the policies, except for thread reasons;
- We tolerate links to scanlation sites unlike in the rest of the site due to its purpose, although it's preferred to remove them when they have done their jobs;
- The forum is not a soapbox for your own views on the policy or on morality. Please leave them at the door.
Violations of these rules can result in a ban from the subforum, or from the entire forum.
Otherwise:
Also, keep in mind that there are works that we don't want flagged without a really good reason as they are not likely in violation of policy:
- Is a film rated below "R" for U.S. distribution.
- Is a show that can be aired on prime time television.
- Is a video game that is rated below "M" by the ESRB.
- Is a written work that is sold in major bookstores without an "adult" or "mature" label.
- Is an anime/manga/etc. that is approved for U.S. import as a non-adult work.
- Is read/shown/taught in high school or below.
- Is in another format and meets equivalent criteria.
What we're looking for:
- Pure porn, or porn with an Excuse Plot only,
- Anything that has explicit underage sex,
- Implied sex of preteens or younger, and
- Fanservice intended to cater to pedophiles (lolicon and shotacon fanservice can count).
A couple of guidelines so the procedure can move smoothly:
- Do not list whole indexes or works just because they are on a certain index or have lolicon, H-Game or shotacon on their trope list.
- Do not list works you know nothing about without at least reading the trope page.
- Do not list works that you know are G-rated but you find creepy.
- If it's paedophile-pandering approximately how old are the characters involved? What happens? Is it graphic? Is it merely implied?
- List what objectionable content there is, and how much of the work consists of that.
- If it's entirely sex, say so. People have different ideas of what porn is. We all have the same idea of what a work being entirely sex scenes is.
- If you're not sure about a work, say so, or ask someone who does know that work. But don't make blanket accusations. Post here: "I don't know about this work, but the page says X".
- Google and Wikipedia are your friendsnote . Do a little digging on works you aren't sure about.
Also, in the case of H Games, there is this questioning to fill up:
- When are the sex scenes located?
- Are they spread out over the game?
- How much gameplay is there between sex scenes?
- Are they only at the endings?
- How hard do you have to work to get an ending?
- Are they in every ending? Every good ending?
- Are the sex scenes optional via a choice in the menu?
- Would the story make sense without them with minimal or no rewriting?
- Are the scenes made up of stills, or are they animated?
- How explicit are the sex scenes?
- This isn't a headcount. Your opinion is only considered if it explains in at least some detail how you came to the conclusion that the work is/isn't porn/paedopandering.
- When a moderator determines that the discussion has yielded a consensus, they can enact its conclusion/ask a moderator to enact the conclusion.
- The discussion is only about whether the work qualifies as porn or as paedopandering. We don't assess anything else in this process.
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Q: Why is this happening?
A: Concerning the porn, it tends to attract creepy edits that have brought us into issues with the adservers while not significantly contributing to our core purpose - tropology. Concerning paedophilia-pandering, such works are just plain creepy to have pages about.
Q: What can I do to help clean the site?
A: You can flag content as unsuitable using the flag tool, which is located in the Tools menu to the right of each article, keeping the criteria in mind. Also, you can help enforce No Lewdness, No Prudishness across the wiki, possibly though cleaning pages listed in this Long Term Projects thread.
Q: This work is not actually/primarily pornographic. Why was it cut?
A: This could be for a number of different reasons. If the work was deemed to be paedopandering, for example, it will be cut whether or not it's actually sexually explicit. Being pro-paedophilia or pandering to paedophiles is bad enough, even if the work is nominally anti-paedophilia. Of course, it's possible that there was a mistake and then you should appeal it - please check the reasons first, however.
Q: This work is being/has been cut, but it is not a violation of the Content Policy. How do I make an appeal?
A: Flag the work page using the button in the sidebar and state your reasons for restoration.
Q: This work is pretty much pure porn, but it's really good porn. Can an exception be made?
A: Nope, sorry. If it's mainly porn, it goes.
Q: Why would you cut this? In [culture x], it is totally acceptable.
A: The vast majority of our readers come from the Americas or Western Europe, so we will be adhering to what could broadly be termed "Western" standards. This means we will not be permitting works which sexualize 12 year olds, and nor will we be demanding that every picture of a woman on the site must wear a burqa.
Q: How can you possibly claim to know authorial intent? (Roland Barthes is my co-pilot.)
A: It is not important what the authorial intent was, only the outcome.
Q: Wikipedia have articles on all kinds of awful stuff. Why can't we do the same?
A: Wikipedia is a strictly academic site. They have to cite sources and a "no censorship rule". They also do not aim to be Family Friendly, and are not reliant upon third party ads for funding. Conversely, one of our stated aims is to celebrate fiction, and our generally light, non-negative tone is a reflection of this, which has led to much more gushing about inappropiate content.
Q: So should I take every article here as an endorsement of whatever it describes?
A: No, of course not. We have pages on Greedy Jew, Adolf Hitler and Mein Kampf after all. However, if we choose to focus our attention on schoolgirls' thighs or porn, it does reflect very poorly on us. Fan Fic Recommendations are a slightly different issue. If a work is recommended there, this should be taken as an endorsement by the troper who wrote it.
Q: Are we allowed to make forum threads about works processed by the Content Violation Discussions forum?
A: If it was voted "clean and keep", a forum thread is relatively safe as long as it is restricted to talking about the clean parts. Anything with a stronger judgement is discouraged on the forums.
Q: Where can I find decisions regarding a work?
A: They are linked from the discussion page. Sometimes the old list of content reviews or the thread list in this forum can help as well.
Q: I still have some questions/concerns.
A: We will be happy to answer them. There is a thread for this.
- Guro: Violence played for titillation. (contrast Gorn)
- 5P or P5: The panel that administered the policy prior to the review system being overhauled in 2022. See 5P.
- P(a)edoshit: Older term for "P(a)edopandering", deprecated for being inflammatory.
- Porn: A work mostly concerned with sexual arousal. Having NSFW or explicit scenes doesn't automatically make a work porn — it's when showcasing explicit scenes is the entire point of the work.
Also, questions about the policy can be asked here. They will be added to this thread's FAQ section once answered.
Edited by SeptimusHeap on Apr 27th 2024 at 7:29:01 PM
I've called a mod conference on the 5P issue. I don't know what to say about Gnome's statement.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Siiiiiiiiiiiip
This is the first time we've really needed a P5 again, and even then, I highly doubt censoring alone would do much. The problem is the entire theme of the actual manga. It's blatantly pro-pedophilia by design. Unless they entirely change the manga, and make the character only have no more than a crush, while also completely changing most of the story to avoid any pedophilia-pandering, it can be thrown right out. Of course, we'd have to see, but we don't exactly need a P5 at this point. All we have to do is have one person who can keep a tab on it, and go from there. It's not rocket science to tell if it still is pedophila-pandering at this point(but again, I think it will be just like the original, just slightly more censored. It may not even cut out scenes, just put more censoring on the images, for all we know).
...It's weird having so many websites and no way to properly display now, lol.
Well, the responses on Kodomo No Jikan so far have been fairly negative, but until someone actually asks for its restoration we can't say whether it will meet the cut criteria again.
About 5P, I think we need volunteers, really.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
No longer a forum herald
Well, to be honest, the last KNJ "review" was mostly just Fast Eddie fiat in a thin disguise. (It also was when Martello was on the P5, which doesn't help matters.)
I'm not in favor of the thing myself, but it does get a fair shake, like every other work.
edited 30th Oct '16 1:55:26 PM by TotemicHero
Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)
Siiiiiiiiiiiip
To be fair, the actual data for why KNJ was cutworthy existed. I've read the original Manga via a fan translation(the story is interesting on its own merits, but there's no way in hell it should have a P5 page here, at least for the original version. Very much pedophilia-pandering with no doubts in my mind).
None of the P5 even argued with the fiat, and there's no reason they would. The theme is literally about a young girl trying to have her teacher to get him to have sex with her. This isn't exactly played as a bad thing, which is a major issue.
If that is somehow changed up in the English translation, it may be salvageable, at least. I have my doubts, but we won't know till the release.
...It's weird having so many websites and no way to properly display now, lol.
No longer a forum herald
Just keep in mind that P5 decisions can't really be binding long-term, by their nature. Culture is not static, and what is horrible now may not be viewed as such by the public (or, more importantly, by ad providers) a few years down the line
At most, the effective shelf-life of a P5 decision is five years (how appropriate 
). At that point, anyone can bring it up again, and the P5 of that point can either re-affirm the prior decision or reject it. This applies to both works shot down by them, as well as works cleared to remain.
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
I would say its played up as a bad thing as are the complications in dealing with someone who is as damaged as she is, a lot more so in the anime than manga though and more toned down.
I wonder if the English version will instead take a page from the anime in it's translation.
Personally I would have thought at least the anime would have been ok with a page but not the manga.
Lost in Space
Hi, folks. Nobody's in trouble; I'm chiming in here to announce that we're going to kick off an application process for new 5P members soon. First, we need the mods and admins on board — we've got a draft OP going and are reviewing it. When we're ready, we'll make a new topic in this forum specifically for the application process. That means no general discussion, m'kay? Start thinking about who would make a good member: they should be someone with long standing on the wiki, a consistent editing history, and who's willing to sacrifice some brain cells and whatever's left of their innocence.
This has been in discussion for a while, but we've just needed the initiative to step up to the plate and the approval of the admins. So hold tight, we're almost set.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Aaand here I was just going to post lamenting lack of attention you dang ![[nja]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/user_ninja_2074.png "[nja]"){kind=small}
edited 31st Oct '16 12:08:19 PM by Adannor
Oversized Garden Ornament
I'd like to apologize for my passive-aggressive post upthread. Apparently, the admins do care. I was just a bit frustrated that nothing seemed to happen for such a long while.
FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!
No harm done.
Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
Sorcerer in training
Judgin from some of the past image-heavy material, not having a data cap is probablly one of those 'necessary to do the job' reqs. Since it's not exactly the kind of job you want to do on public wi-fi. (shudder)
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Kukuku
I'm glad we're finally getting the ball rolling.
"A buddy is a buddy no matter how nutty."
No longer a forum herald
Images aren't typically super data heavy unless their files are formatted very, very poorly. The real data hog is streamed video content (which would be required for certain cases, notably anime).
Technically, I have a data cap on my connection, but mine is so high it's all but guaranteed not to matter. (I've never gone above 30% of it at the most.)
Even with that in mind, doing the job on public wi-fi is still a bad idea...because these are the kinds of things you really don't want to be caught looking at in public.
edited 31st Oct '16 7:09:49 PM by TotemicHero
Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)
I'm pretty sure any Internet curation job that comes with the caveat 'not for the faint of heart' implicitly comes with the caveat 'don't do this job in public', yeah.
It's been fun.
Glad to see that it's finally getting started.
I despise hypocrisy, unless of course it is my own.
Lost in Space
Apparently, I need help from the admins, as even moderators can't create topics in here, only 5P members can. Hilarious.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Grr... <3
Create it in wiki talk for now. Maybe you can move it over, as well.
Lost in Space
Smart people thinking of workarounds better than me. Let me see if that'll work.
Edit: It did. Topic launched and bulletin posted.
edited 1st Nov '16 6:27:51 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
Would it be relevant to include a brief summary of what happened to previous P5 members that made it necessary to go on a recruitment drive?
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
Does it really matter? People have lives and/or move on and stop visiting the place all the time, with 5 unpaid people the turnover should be extremely common. Heck surprising that it took this long. If you go into detail it will be quite rude to previous members.
Heck most of the driving force in the Trope Repair Shop stopped showing up and it is as dead as this section is.
edited 2nd Nov '16 2:13:22 AM by Memers
Sorcerer in training
Komodin's death was noted on ATT (sniff) and he had several good-byes in the absent tropers thread... so people can figure that out if they want.
And wandering away from beloved sites... well, it happens. I haven't been paying much attention to Cracked or the FB Not Always Right/other pages since the whole debacle with the net last winter.
Life -and death- happen.
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Pop-up browser ads have pretty much destroyed my ability to post on this site, as I largely do so on my phone, but I will do my best to assist again. I feel it's not a great idea for me to apply but I want to let it be known that, at the very least, I have read all of Kn J and would be happy to help. (The last chapter pretty much damns the thing.)
Story Theorist
Is use of the word "fuck" off-limits on general pages? The website states on No Lewdness No Prudishness to keep it Family Friendly and IMO "fuck" is not; I also remember that a few years ago the word wasn't on popular posts (although obviously it makes sense to have it where tropes are directed related to use of the word).
I noticed the Cliffhanger page, which I'm guessing is very popular and found quite often, currently has "motherfucker" in its quote and was wondering if it ought to be replaced. I think I've seen the word "fuck" more often as well in pages not explicitly about tropes related to the word, and if it's not appropriate I'll make a mental note to remove it/replace it with f*** (the latter if it's a quote that would be better kept) when I find it.
Free story theory resources: https://joshpowlison.com Some of my stories: https://heybard.com
Well, good luck with that. The site admins just don't seem to care about reinstating the P5. I don't quite understand what this means for the site's future.
edited 30th Oct '16 1:42:59 PM by GnomeTitan