Big Hero 6

I haven't watched that episode yet, but given that people write ship fics about celebrities, It not illogical.

..... the intro for this ep is weird. I get that it's supposed to be her fanfic, but why is everyone in chibi form?

I dunno the story reason, but they're apparently doing animated chibi shorts and there's a toyline of them coming out, including chibis for Baron von Steamer and Obake.

I'm enjoying the developing subplot of the Great Disaster and Lenore Shimamoto. I'm glad it's been developing through these last few episodes in a row, even through seemingly "filler" episodes.

I do find the whole dichotomy of art and science to be kinda off. Not within the school itself, since it's established it's just a harmless rivalry with some trash talk, but how people couldn't believe that Shimamoto was both a scientist and an artist, and how this concept was perplexing to San Fransokyo.

The series always airs right before the Ducktales premiere on Saturdays, so I always see the ending of episodes.

... It looks way bad. The writing is basic and stilted, the villain and his plans and the stories are tired and predictable, the cliffhangers that every episode HAS to have are eye-rolling, and the animation is awful.

I recently wrote an article on the series in my blog. Overall I'm disappointed because all the potential hinted at in the movie, hasn't been realized yet.

That said, I did like Fan Friction. It addressed several points I wanted, like what names do people know the Heroes as and developing the Hiro/Karmi relationship further. Also Momokase and Obake are the only good villains in the show so having them work together was cool. I wish, however, that Karmi had learned the lesson that writting herself as having a relationship with a stranger was not a good idea.

writing herself as having a relationship with a stranger was not a good idea.

It was pretty clear from the writing that writers were aware why that's a bad thing, but they wanted to do it anyway, so they danced around the issue as long as they could and then had Captain Cutie give Karmi his approval.

First time I heard Honey's codename I thought it was Ball Girl. I almost wonder if it's an intentional joke, that's much more sensible name is so obvious but still not being used.

Fan Friction looked like the WORST of it.

Finally got around to watching Fan Friction and it was the most I've ever laughed. Karmi is one of those fanfic writers who write terrible self-inserts which legitimately make me laugh. Hiro's reactions are even better.

Stylistic Suck seems to be one of these tropes that always work, doesn't it?

"Fan Friction" was pretty funny, but not the best. Probably the biggest highlight was Momakase. She's my favorite villain so far. I guess Obake is trying to create his own, evil version of Big Hero 6.

Okay, not expecting a big heart to heart with Callaghan in such an otherwise silly episode.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 25th 2018 at 9:37:42 AM

That was a genuinely emotional moment. Hope that we'll have more

To be fair, there was also learning more about Granville and Obake's past. The supposed A-plot really felt more like an after-thought/

Some of my thoughts on the show:

1.) It's never a good sign when you have Mara Wilson promoting her stint on the show and people's first reaction is "Wait, there's a Big Hero 6 series?". As per usual, Disney's doing such a great job promoting the show.

2.) Some of my personal favorite episodes are "Issue 188", "Kentucky Kaiju", and "Fan Friction", although I will admit some of the episodes are just too weird. Looking at you, Mr. Sparkles.

3.) I, personally, really like Karmi. I know that some people in the fandom really hate her, for...reasons? I think she's a good foil for the other main characters. I would be interested to see how much more they'll use her this season, since they only have a few episodes left.

As for the most recent episode...I don't understand it. No explanation as to how Knox was mutated into the monster to begin with. Hell, just throw Obake behind it and call it a day. That probably would've been better.

That whole episode just seemed to be setting up season two. The fact that Liv Amara benefits from Knox no longer funding Krei because he's a monster, the fact that we never learn how Knox was mutated and they just assume he did it to himself, the fact that we're dealing with monsters in the first place, since up to this point, all of the villains and situations were technological (even Globby's powers are done partly via tech), the fact that Amara happens to have a facility ready for Knox by the end, and most importantly, her company is named Sycorax, another The Tempest reference, and the witch who created the monster Caliban.

There's really no room left in the first season to address all that, so I'm guessing more will done in the next season.

Edited by GamerSlyRatchet on Sep 19th 2018 at 3:09:58 AM

With all the Shakespeare references, I expected the episode to be written by Greg Weisman.

Granted, if it were an episode by Greg, we probably would have had somebody state that everything went completely according to plan.

I too really like Karmi, and am mostly just disappointed that the story isn't really doing anything with her beyond just having her be there occasionally creating angry/awkward moments for Hiro.

But since Liv Amara is pretty obviously evil, and Karmi seems poised to obliviously become her protege unwitting to her true nature, I suspect that's about to change.

I finally had a binge, and this is what I have to say

Mini-Max: It's so good to see Obake loose his calm demeanor when it came to Granville even if it was for one scene.

Big Hero 7: This episode sucked. Richardson, though insufferable to the main cast, felt like he worked too well being a jerkwad. While it was good to see High Voltage again, I felt like their plot was more interesting than the main one.

Big Problem Shakespeare quoting monster. Are you sure Greg Wisman didn't write this one? Really, this felt a bit more like set up for something else.

Steamer's Revenge Was slightly confused, seeing how Wasabi had a car already, but I figured this was written out of order.

The Bot Fighter Kim Possible, good to see you. Since Trina's a robot, I'm hoping she is more like Aida from Agents of SHIELD and eventually becomes human and psycho.

Yeah, I think they should've introduced Trina a bit sooner into the season. We're getting into season finale stuff after this episode, and revealing her to be Obake's daughter AND a robot was a bit much, especially if Obake's not meant to come back for season two.

I too really like Karmi, and am mostly just disappointed that the story isn't really doing anything with her beyond just having her be there occasionally creating angry/awkward moments for Hiro. But since Liv Amara is pretty obviously evil, and Karmi seems poised to obliviously become her protege unwitting to her true nature, I suspect that's about to change

Agreed. Apparently someone from the show's staff said on Twitter, very specifically, that Karmi as a character was not a focus "in Season 1", which immediately implies that beyond Season 1 is a different story. And the plot from "Big Problem" definitely seemed like it was foreshadowing for a story arc in Season 2; Season 1 is about robotics, Season 2 is likely going to be about bio-tech.

The guy also said that Karmi was difficult to nail as a character initially, but Haley Tju's voicework really livened her up and influenced the writing, giving them a better feel and direction for her. I've got to say that I think it shows, as Karmi's gotten a lot more enjoyably passionate and energetic as the season's gone on. I didn't like her all that much at first, but now she's one of my favorites.

Edited by Isaac_Heller on Oct 1st 2018 at 8:42:27 AM

I was initially wondering if Karmi was going to get a Varian-style tragic Face–Heel Turn at some point, but the existence of Trina (especially if she survives the season, given how expendable robots are to writers) as an Evil Counterpart of the opposite gender (technically) has basically nipped that theory in the bud.

@ kyun

Given how Disney tends to treat most (if not all) of their superhero cartoons (cough cough Ultimate Spiderman cough cough), then I think we should've seen the mediocrity of this series coming a long way off.

And I get the feeling that a lot of the show's stilted humour owes its forced existence to Derrick J. Wyatt.

I initially considered that too, considering how Karmi was introduced. But yeah, she's probably going to stay an ally. I do think her work being funded by Sycorax might lead to bigger things for her in season two.

This is starting to look like a textbook "semi-friend in the belly of the beast" plot, so my guess is Karmi's going to go something like this.

• Karmi goes to work under Liz Amara at the beginning of the next season. Everything is hunky dory, until bad stuff starts happening in the city.
• Hiro discovers Liv Amara is behind the bad stuff after a handful of episodes, but can't prove it. He tries to warn Karmi, but both because he has no evidence and also because she's Karmi, she thinks he's jealous or something and doesn't believe him.
• Clues pile up, and over the next half a season season Karmi starts questioning whether Hiro was right. Meanwhile, if Liz becomes aware of Big Hero 6's identities she may start using their friendship with Karmi and intentionally put her at risk to distract them.
• Seemingly in private, Karmi accidentally discovers real but private proof that Liv is evil. Maybe Liv gloats about her evil plan to nobody or leaves a superweapon lying around, whatever. Broken Pedestal.
• Liz immediately discovers that Karmi knows too much, and likewise immediately tries to get rid of her before she can tell Big Hero 6 what she knows. The heroes arrive too late, probably with just enough time for Karmi to almost reveal something. Given Liv's M.O., and because as Nick TMNT showed it's a safer alternative to being a victim in other ways, this quite possibly involve Karmi getting turned into some kind of virus monster (because virus obsession). If not, she goes into a coma or gets trapped in hyperspace or something. Point is, she can't tell the heroes Liv's secrets.
• Hiro mopes about Karmi for a while. Whatever state she's in, small subplot where the characters wonder if she can be saved.
• In the last couple episodes, BH 6 saves/cures Karmi, who uses what she found out about Liv's company and/or her sciencey skills to help stop her Evil Plan. If Karmi really does get turned into a monster, there is an off chance she may join BH 6 after.
• Cake is served.
• At some point during the last handful of steps, Karmi finds out Hiro's secret identity. This plot point is not fully resolved at the end of the season.

I mean, like I said it's a pretty standard plot. But this is a pretty standard show.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 2nd 2018 at 3:29:45 AM