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edited 12th Feb '13 2:10:16 PM by Fighteer

Jan 16th 2018 at 3:14:53 PM

Ellen: 15

Jimmy: 16

May: 17

Billy: 10

Unnamed kids who fondle Ellen and May: Both around 10

I did censor both instances of molestation to date, but will reinstate them in a planned version for Archive Of Our Own. They are both rather graphic, so I'm not sure if having censored them counts or not.

edited 16th Jan '18 3:18:40 PM by SeaRover

Jan 16th 2018 at 4:38:52 PM

[up]When you have characters involved that are 10 years old, I think it'd be kind of a hard sell to get it on this site.

edited 16th Jan '18 4:40:32 PM by dragonfire5000

DrPsyche Avatar by Leafsnake from Hawaii
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Feb 2nd 2018 at 12:39:30 AM

I've gotten nothing back from that PM, so I'm guessing the example was flagged as a joke. Going to dig around a bit more.

EDIT: Zapped it. It's clean.

Going to look into Porno Superstar next.

edited 15th Feb '18 6:00:37 PM by DrPsyche

Feb 22nd 2018 at 5:34:51 PM

I'd like to ask whether this Play-by-Post Game and Forum Role Plays, Anime Female Wrestling, also known as AFW (here's the link), is safe enough to have it's own page or not. It's a long-running roleplaying forum about female wrestling. It also contains quite a lot of adult contents as well as explicit sex scenes. While normal wrestling matches are prevalent there, the more risque matches, also known as hentai matches, also exist. Even so, none of the characters depicted there are under eighteen.

Still, there's also kawaii wrestlers (an equivalent of cruiserweight) who appear small and cute even though they're also eighteen and above.

Feb 23rd 2018 at 12:30:32 AM

If the porn section isn't the main focus and there's just as much normal wrestling roleplay I don't see WHY it would be a violation of the rules.

Just don't let the page catch a bunch of creepy gushing about the ERPG section.

edited 23rd Feb '18 12:45:54 PM by shoboni

DrPsyche Avatar by Leafsnake from Hawaii
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Feb 25th 2018 at 3:33:13 AM

Ok, so the so far on Porno Superstar.

This manga is very explicit. Lot's of Dubcon Yaoi scenes. Genitals are mostly censored, but I can see a few penis's with only a few lines through them. There is a plot, but it feels largely in service to the dub con yaoi. Going to keep looking.

Feb 25th 2018 at 5:55:30 AM

[up] "Dubcon" meaning "dubious consent" for any who aren't aware...I had to look it up myself.

The trope page is pretty bare-bones.

DrPsyche Avatar by Leafsnake from Hawaii
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Mar 3rd 2018 at 12:33:49 AM

Yeah, I should have clarified my terms. This is pretty common in Yaoi, dangerous borderline non consensual stuff, it has its place I guess.

Having finished it, here are my thoughts:

  • The tropes page is wrong. It's not about a guy falling in love with a pornographic superstar, but rather a guy who looks just like him. He uses that likeness to trick the protag into sleeping with him the first time.
  • There are a number of explicit sex scenes. The penis's aren't always shown, but it's clear what's there.
  • There is a plot, but unlike say Oglaf or Rock Cocks, it does feel flimsy. Maybe it's because it's more typical yaoi stuff, but it does read like the flimsy insert bits between the sex scenes in a porno. I'll say that the plot is there and its trying to tell a story, but that story is pronographic.
  • Conclusion: Devilhead.

Next up: Sensual Trigger

edited 3rd Mar '18 12:34:44 AM by DrPsyche

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Mar 8th 2018 at 12:35:29 AM

Alright, Sensual Trigger.

  • First off the sex scenes are similarly explicit to Porno Superstar. No genitals are shown but the sex acts are pretty graphic.
  • There's more of a focus on story, to the point where I feel that it's not solely porn. It's a vignette of romantic comedies with sexual elements to them.
  • That said, the final two stories revolve around underage students. I don't know how old they are seeing as its a scanlation and they mention needing to enter high school, the age of which varies a bit in Japan. They're explicitly under 18 but they're not drawn to look any different than the adult protagonists. Not pedo-pandering, but their ages are giving me pause.
  • Leaning to Devilhead.

edited 8th Mar '18 12:35:53 AM by DrPsyche

Mar 8th 2018 at 3:44:03 AM

If they are in first year of high school that makes them 16 which is usually allowed. Middle school is where things get questionable and need to be looked at iirc.

edited 8th Mar '18 3:47:43 AM by Memers

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Mar 15th 2018 at 2:20:42 AM

Ok, interesting. Didn't know that.

Mar 16th 2018 at 12:27:45 PM

AFIAK Japan treats High-School as higher-education the way the west does college. So it's a lot more plausible for High School Students in Japanese works to be adults and assumed 18.

Ramidel Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Mar 17th 2018 at 11:20:40 PM

High School is from 16-18, period - which means it's not what we usually call pedo-pandering.

Fiat justitia ruat caelum.
Mar 18th 2018 at 6:40:42 PM

Where as in much of the west someone as young as 14 can be in High School.

Thus the sort of confusion when High School students in Japanese works tend to be written as, and treated as young adults instead of kids.

edited 18th Mar '18 6:40:57 PM by shoboni

Mar 18th 2018 at 7:40:30 PM

Some areas in the US do use the whole 3 year middle 3 year high school system, its especially confusing in my area where there are both Jr Highs and Middle schools so some students going to high school are newbie freshmen and some are newbie Sophomores.

In Japan though 94% of 16-18 year olds go to high school now and its been on the rise since trades and mentoring have essentially died out or they are doubling up by going to High School and Trades at the same time like Yukiko in Persona 4.

Its a weird mix of old and new values and heavily resistant to change, until 2 years ago your wern't considered an actual 'adult' till age 20 but now its 18.

edited 18th Mar '18 7:47:29 PM by Memers

DrPsyche Avatar by Leafsnake from Hawaii
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Mar 19th 2018 at 12:03:11 AM

Alright. I'll angel head.

Mar 19th 2018 at 12:38:17 AM

My district does this weird 3-year middle 4-year high thing.

They built a second Jr High to help ease the influx of students and moved 6th grade up to Jr High/Middle-School. High School is still 9-12.

So yeah, it's getting to be a mess in the US now that things are shifting around nationwide but pop-culture still holds on to the K-6, 7-8, 9-12 triple-tier model for now.

edited 19th Mar '18 12:38:47 AM by shoboni

DrPsyche Avatar by Leafsnake from Hawaii
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Apr 8th 2018 at 4:22:26 PM

Spy of Darkness has been cut, but it's on the list so I will check it out

Fighteer Geronimo! from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Geronimo!
Apr 9th 2018 at 7:29:13 AM

The topic for monitoring page launches coughed up this gem, which looks like a fetish comic: Breakfast With Sister. I'll flag it as well.

Edit: We've got 58 articles in the work queue. Would be nice to get some of them resolved. If nothing gets settled soon, we'll take everything with two devilheads and process as cuts.

edited 9th Apr '18 7:31:20 AM by Fighteer

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Apr 9th 2018 at 8:20:02 AM "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Apr 9th 2018 at 8:27:32 AM

I've voted on everything on the first page and resolved a couple that had three votes (they were both three angels). Trying to work on some of the others.

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Apr 9th 2018 at 9:29:11 AM

Sorry, I've been pretty deadbeat for a while. Barely any time to read anything.

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Apr 9th 2018 at 10:55:58 AM

For the record, Harmonious Fusion's last forum post was almost exactly one year ago, and his last wiki edit (which were very sporadic in the interim) was back in November.

If he doesn't respond to your post, I think he can probably be written off the P5.

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Kukuku
Apr 10th 2018 at 4:41:49 PM

Breakfast With Sister is definitely a fetish comic, with scenes of belly-rubbing treated like/having similar dialogue to explicit sex in hentai doujin. No idea how old the girls are.

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DrPsyche Avatar by Leafsnake from Hawaii
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Apr 11th 2018 at 12:21:57 AM

Breakfast with sister is a feeder fetish incest comic. Don't know how old the girls are, and the sex isn't too graphic, but it is very much a fetish comic with nudity and sex in it. Devilhead.

EDIT: Spy of Darkness seems to be a hentai. There's already graphic sex and I'm not 3 minutes in. Devilhead.

EDIT 2: Finished Spy of Darkness. It's a standard hentai, I don't regret my devilhead. I read a bit of The Human Centipede: Love at first bite. While it's funny I'll admit (and I'm going to go out on a limb and say that it's deliberately bad on the author's part as a Troll Fic), it's got a lot of graphic bits about sex and the story revolves around it. So Devilhead.

EDIT 3: Brogulls. It's an explicit furry incest porn comic. Devilhead.

EDIT 4: Where the Dead Go To Die. It's a horror film and the child sex isn't supposed to be pornographic, usually just to show how bad one girls homelife was with her father as a sexual abuser. Angel head.

EDIT 5: Uchi no Musume ni Te o Dasu na!. Ok, so I read this one through and the series is definitely fanservice orientated with exposed nipples and sex scenes. But the sex scenes aren't that plentiful and it's clearly trying to tell a story (reminds me of Oglaf in a way). It's on the more graphic end of ecchi. That said, the tropes page mentions that the spin-offs are explicitly hentai, and having looked at a few, yes they are. Main series is fine. Angel head.

edited 1st May '18 3:14:32 PM by DrPsyche


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