The Place for Purging Porn and Pedo-Pandering (AKA P5 flag evaluations)

That's what I meant. Re-axe it.

Anime.Spy Of Darkness, Dawn Of The Silver Dragon, and Anime.Bible Black are pure porn, no ambiguity about it. Manga.Makunouchi Deluxe is Plot With Porn about a guy becoming a manager for a women's wrestling league, which of course leads to a harem of all the women in the league. I'm leaning devilhead, but I'd like some more opinions. Yamatogawa is an artist who varies between Porn with Plot and Plot With Porn; probably too far over the line to keep.

... I think you're confusing Makunouchi Deluxe for Ring x Mama, because your description is spot on for the latter, while the former... well, let me quote Baka-Updates Manga.

Both are done by Jouji Manabe, though.

Just saw some of Bible Black. There's a story sure, but this is definitely porn. Devilhead.

Makunouchi Deluxe is one of those odd old cases of Project-H publishing an ecchi title as hentai (before they got their in-between PeCChi line).

Actually, Makunouchi Deluxe has sex scenes (at least one per chapter, from what I could tell of a quick glance through my digital copy) that are quite explicit, in that there are actual shots of both male and female genitalia, though they're covered by "white-out" censorship (i.e. basically it's as if you took a digital eraser over the "offending" parts). So I don't think it could get away with being "just ecchi".

edited 29th Aug '17 9:26:43 PM by MarqFJA

Bible Black is one of the more well-known Hentai series. The animation quality is very good, and there's plenty of supernatural shit, but it's pretty much pure porn. I believe the series was one of the first ones to get cut back during the initial purge.

Playboy has three angels. What's the word, everyone? Restore and lock? Restore and monitor?

Unoficially speakiing, I'd say restore and monitor, and make sure that the write-up makes prominent mention of the non-sexual stuff it contains — interviews, fiction, the lifestyle stuff.

This entry on Maid RPG's YMMV really says it all as for why I'm bringing it up here.

If I recall correctly, the rulebook doesn't actually have seduction rules specifically for children, it's just that some characters (the master of the house, in this case) can be randomly rolled as a kid, and seduction rules don't really take into account the age of the person being seduced. I'll double-check.

EDIT: Okay, so this is what is listed in the rulebook (I've bolded the relevant parts):

I wasn't able to find any rule specifically to seduce child NPCs, though the rulebook also doesn't say anything about being unable to seduce child NPCs. I'm guessing the rulebook just didn't factor in age when creating the seduction rules and is depending on the players to set the limits on what is tasteful and what isn't.

edited 11th Sep '17 8:44:07 PM by dragonfire5000

Note that the simple fact of having rules for something skeevy doesn't push a game system into "pure porn" territory, not by a long shot. The pedo-pandering aspect is only an issue if it's explicitly defined, rather than by omission.

The 'seduction' rules aren't even necessarily sexual IIRC, if you have a child maid, feeding her sweets to be better friends with her is just as valid.
And lolita maid type isn't even necessarily a child anyway

So basically, it is all under umbrella "you do whatever you want guys".
If somebody makes a game in which a very clearly underage girl Master very clearly sexually molests her maids it's on them, not on the game.

edited 11th Sep '17 9:05:29 PM by Adannor

Yeah "Lolita" has many meanings in Japanese its all on interpretations, A lolita (fashion) maid would look like [1]◊[2]◊[3]◊[4]◊ these with excessive frills and everything made to be as cute as possible as opposed to French Maid Outfit which is as sexy as possible.

edited 11th Sep '17 9:37:24 PM by Memers

Lolita fashion and "Lolita complex" are indeed extremely different things. Saying a character has a Gothic Lolita schtick, for instance, implies nothing about their age. Not that there's *zero* overlap, but it's not actually that common. Same derivation, very different connotations.

...on that note, I'm giving Angel's 3Piece the thumbs-down. Same director as Ro-Kyu-Bu! SS and heading squarely in the same direction. If we're taking that kind of hard line on this, it can't stay.

edited 22nd Sep '17 10:33:49 PM by JHM

~Bawdy Celebration, what did you flag Dragon City for?

Clicking on "random page" a bunch, looks like dragons aren't much in habit of wearing clothing, but they got Barbie Doll Anatomy so it's nothing to be concerned about.

JHM: So it actually got worse in the skeevy department eventually? Or it became even more creepy in regards of the pedo crap? I didn't see the rest of the episodes so I wouldn't know exactly.

I am led to understand that it's less "worse than you would expect" and more "continuing to be exactly what you would expect given the way it started and who is at the controls."

Alright, I see. I saw more of the skeevy / paedo moments in Episodes 2 and a small part of 3, also, from what I know, that innuendo in Episode 1 that got clarified in Episode 2. Oddly enough, I saw Episodes 4 and 6 (not 5), but I didn't notice anything odd that would be remarkably raise a red flag, I would think. Did you see the rest of the episodes? Just wondering.

And don't worry, I'm not questioning that judgment. If this work needs to leave Tvtropes, I'm totally fine with it, and if it's those moments in the early episodes the cause of being cut (the main reason why I reported this work), or anything else that happened in the episodes I didn't see, then so be it.

edited 25th Sep '17 6:44:16 AM by Lightmaster

I looked at the episode discussions for Angel's 3Piece! on Reddit and My Anime List. Further incriminating content appears to have occurred, albeit on an irregular basis.

Episode 10: "And no I am not talking about the fanservice this episode. The fanservice here is more or less the same as it was during the first 3 episodes so I have no issue with that."

Episode 11: "When Kyo mentioned bath, I instantly knew what was going to happen, though the swimsuits weren't included in what I had thought was gonna happen. Same when Sakura came in, I instantly knew she was gonna walk in on them in some kind of incriminating pose."

Alright, I saw Episode 10 more or less, and like 4 minutes in, I found a seriously objectionable content right out of the gate. When they were speaking of date, the little girls were speaking about an irreversible thing and, get this, they wanted to kiss the main character. THE LOLI GIRLS WANTED TO KISS THE MAIN CHARACTER. If that's not pedo-pandering, I don't know what it is. Also, right the next scene, there's a bath part with the little sister and another loli character I haven't seen before, and more pedo-pandering in the way of speaking like if they were lovers and with discussions about newlyweds and whatever it is.

And again, later in the episode, there's rivalry discussions against Yuzuha and that other loli character. Also, "kind-of" dates with other three loli girls, being the turn of one of them. There's way more pedo-pandering things in this single episode than in the first three episodes if you ask me.

I suppose that even this is enough to cut this work altogether, I think? I dunno if I'm right on my assertions. I haven't seen Episode 11, but I think this is enough.

edited 26th Sep '17 7:14:02 AM by Lightmaster

While I don't disagree with keeping cut, kissing isn't something particularly adult-oriented. Just saying.

Though the hyperbole, I got the impression the show was playing it for far more than it was. That said, I wasn't all too sure how seriously to take the first portion of

Alright, in any case, isn't that kind of a form of pedo-pandering what was going on in that scene? I could be wrong, though. Sorry about the exaggeration, that was my own perception on that part of the scene, maybe it wasn't all that bad, considering what you said, that kissing isn't something necessarily adult-oriented.

edited 26th Sep '17 8:58:08 AM by Lightmaster