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edited 12th Feb '13 2:10:16 PM by Fighteer

Meeble likes the cheeses. from the ruins of Granseal
likes the cheeses.
Jun 26th 2012 at 7:27:52 AM

No that's fine, it made it a lot easier to identify the non-porn stuff to make the correct decision.

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TwoGunAngel The Demon Slayer Relationship Status: Singularity
The Demon Slayer
Jun 26th 2012 at 7:29:51 AM

Definitely looks a lot better with the zero-context redlinks gone. Good work.

Jun 26th 2012 at 7:30:51 AM

Perhaps with Netorare Genre a rename would be appropriate? I don't think it would be that difficult since it's not really a Japanese only trope. Not that that's a matter for the P5, but just something to consider.

shimaspawn from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Jun 26th 2012 at 7:33:04 AM

I honestly think that making the current name a redirect and renaming it Cuckholding or something to that effect. We're no longer really talking about the porn genre so much as the phenomenon showing up in media. We can make a note of what it's called in Japan, but it shouldn't be the main page title. This is a TRS issue though.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
Jun 26th 2012 at 7:33:25 AM

We recently closed the TRS on it. It got stalled too much.

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tdgoodrich1 R.I.P 2 My Youth from Atlanta Relationship Status: Californicating
R.I.P 2 My Youth
Jun 26th 2012 at 12:12:58 PM

Since nothing much is happening, seems like a good time for a case study to get things moving again.

Re: Oruchuban Ebichu

  • No demographic information listed for manga, ran in Manga Action Pizazz
  • Anime and manga both unlicensed in the US

edited 26th Jun '12 12:30:02 PM by tdgoodrich1

"Polite life will fill you full of cancer." - Iggy Pop "I've seen the future, brother, it is murder." -Leonard Cohen
KuroBaraHime ☆♥☆ from Somewhere...I think
☆♥☆
Jun 26th 2012 at 12:19:19 PM

Action Pizazz is a Seinen magazine. Orochuban Ebichu is too then.

Raidouthe21st Cool Dude from Whacking trick-or-treating punks Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Cool Dude
Jun 26th 2012 at 12:21:03 PM

I've seen that show likened to South Park, somewhere. It's definitely for adults despite the cutesy look of it.

And we do still have a page on it, for those who want to check out the tropes and calculate them into their assessment.

"The skulls continue to pour in, filling the room and threatening to crush your nitpicking, over-analyzing characters. "
tdgoodrich1 R.I.P 2 My Youth from Atlanta Relationship Status: Californicating
R.I.P 2 My Youth
Jun 26th 2012 at 12:29:34 PM

[up][up]Thanks as always, Kuro.

Re: Oruchuban Ebichu ep. 1

3 sex scenes totaling about 10 seconds, tops. Anatomy is pretty non-detailed, and the sex is intended to be comedic rather than titillating. Also, the subtitled eps. are available starting here on You Tube. Make of that what you will.

edited 26th Jun '12 12:29:53 PM by tdgoodrich1

"Polite life will fill you full of cancer." - Iggy Pop "I've seen the future, brother, it is murder." -Leonard Cohen
Jun 26th 2012 at 12:33:41 PM

[up]Note: It is behind You Tube's age gate.

shimaspawn from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Jun 26th 2012 at 12:35:13 PM

[up] Yes, it's just behind the age wall where Google removes actual porn from You Tube.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Raidouthe21st Cool Dude from Whacking trick-or-treating punks Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Cool Dude
Jun 26th 2012 at 12:35:49 PM

[up][up]Here, have two episodes at once.

[up]Not really a good indicator, considering that the AVGN's Metal Gear review is also blocked by an age curtain, and that sure as heck wasn't any worse content-wise then his other reviews.

edited 26th Jun '12 12:38:20 PM by Raidouthe21st

"The skulls continue to pour in, filling the room and threatening to crush your nitpicking, over-analyzing characters. "
tdgoodrich1 R.I.P 2 My Youth from Atlanta Relationship Status: Californicating
R.I.P 2 My Youth
Jun 26th 2012 at 12:40:17 PM

Re: Oruchuban Ebichu ep. 2

3 sex scenes totalling 25 sec. out of ~8.5 min. Artwork is drawn like an elementary schooler's drawings. Not intended to be sexy.

Ep. 6:

Less sex. Worst it got was a picture of the boyfriend's nuts. One more and I'll call things.

Ep. 17: A few pubic hair jokes, and brief offscreen sex.

Verdict: Keep, clean if necessary

Pro:

  • Sex makes up a very small portion of the work
  • Art style is very obviously not supposed to be titillating

Con:

  • Onscreen sex is present

edited 26th Jun '12 1:01:01 PM by tdgoodrich1

"Polite life will fill you full of cancer." - Iggy Pop "I've seen the future, brother, it is murder." -Leonard Cohen
Jun 26th 2012 at 1:06:39 PM

[up]I think its more abut the poor hamster getting abused then the sex.

edited 26th Jun '12 1:07:01 PM by shadis

TotemicHero Not a bug! from the next level
Not a bug!
Jun 26th 2012 at 3:09:58 PM

Posting here to give a heads up that the Rape Tropes index and all the tropes within are now open for public viewing. I'm sure a mod or Eddie will be along soon to give more info on the decision.

Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)
Jun 26th 2012 at 3:20:09 PM

I loved Ebichu. Sure, it was dirty humor, but it was funny humor.

KuroBaraHime ☆♥☆ from Somewhere...I think
☆♥☆
Jun 26th 2012 at 6:16:10 PM

Nocturna lIllusion's pages have been cut, so it can marked as done.

And Fifty Shades of Grey still needs to be restored.

Meeble likes the cheeses. from the ruins of Granseal
likes the cheeses.
Jun 26th 2012 at 8:09:51 PM

After watching about half a season of Mitsudomoe, I agree wit the assessment of Ultimately Subjective (what an appropriate handle for this type of work, incidentally.) While some of the humor of this series is sexual in nature, it is clearly meant to be just humor, and never appears to be designed to titillate viewers.

The comparison to South Park is fairly apt, here. It's a Toilet Humor filled gag series, but it's not porn or pedo-bait. I'll be giving this one a keep vote.

edited 26th Jun '12 8:10:13 PM by Meeble

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KuroBaraHime ☆♥☆ from Somewhere...I think
☆♥☆
Jun 26th 2012 at 8:19:10 PM

Sex Slave sounds fine to me- you can have this trope in a work without it being porn. Susie Q was about to be forced into sex slavery by Villain Q. Ball, but then Hero T. Protagonist saved her.

Raidouthe21st Cool Dude from Whacking trick-or-treating punks Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Cool Dude
Jun 26th 2012 at 8:19:43 PM

Is every single trope even vaguely related to sexual content going to end up being flagged?

"The skulls continue to pour in, filling the room and threatening to crush your nitpicking, over-analyzing characters. "
Jun 26th 2012 at 8:26:30 PM

[up]That and the occasional troll or more likely Damn You muscle memory.

Komodin TV Tropes' Sonic Wiki Curator from Windy Hill Zone Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
TV Tropes' Sonic Wiki Curator
Jun 26th 2012 at 8:33:24 PM

Is every single trope even vaguely related to sexual content going to end up being flagged?

Unfortunately... yeah, most likely.

Experience has taught me to investigate anything that glows.
Heatth from Brasil Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Jun 26th 2012 at 8:40:59 PM

Can't we make so tropes can't be flaged? Even if needed, this sort of discussion is more fit to the TRS, I would think.


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