Page Restoration Petitions

We were just told to take any discussion of the work to this thread. Now we can't discuss the work in this thread.

edited 30th Apr '12 8:14:13 AM by Catbert

This is the page restoration petition thread. It's for works that are already cut. And Ramidel, the person who told you to come here, is not a mod or affiliated with us in any way, so if someone gave you bad information to come here and you followed it, I hardly see how the staff is somehow responsible.

What threads have you opened for cleanup that "keep getting locked", other than the primary one (single: thread, not threads) that went way offtopic talking about the policy rather than the cleanup? No one has said you can't have a clean up thread that I know of. Just that we won't be re-opening that one.

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.

This is the page restoration petition thread. It's for works that are already cut.

Which the work in question has been. Martello also told us to take any input on the work in question to this thread.

ccoa, that work is already cut. So, they're technically in the right place. However, we could do with one appeal and no further debates.

"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer

I see, I didn't realize it had already been cut. I apologize.

EDIT: Gotta love the Orwellian Edit there, Catbert.

edited 30th Apr '12 8:16:37 AM by ccoa

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.

As long as the debates are being kept civil, I really don't see how having a public exchange of views on any given work is detrimental to the process.

Once the decision has been made, I can see the reasoning behind shutting down discussion.

Should I add the fact that Lotte is just a Cute Monster Girl to the defense sandbox?

Many people said it should be cut because she's a succubus.

edited 30th Apr '12 9:00:31 AM by animeg3282

Her physical appearance is meaningless, what only matters is whether she's underaged*

and whether she's sexualised/paedo-pandering*

What we're arguing.

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#IceBearForPresident

Not as far as I know for the former (if it does say so, give us a link, please); definitely not for the latter — Lotte is "expected to be bonking" at all when she reaches puberty, not at 10.

edited 30th Apr '12 9:03:19 AM by OneMore

It should be noted that several of the official toys (or figures, or whatever the non-offensive term is) for this series seem come with Panty Shot included without having to move the figure at all. This one in particular seems designed for pervs. Another has her in a bathing suit with a Cleavage Window (except, without cleavage, 'cause she's 10.) That doesn't exactly strike me as them not playing up the sexualization of the child character to drive sales.

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.

To be fair, Judit does say that earlier is better, but the male protagonist knows how wrong that is. Furthermore, the mother that did do it at ten is clearly shown to be a terrible mother.

edited 30th Apr '12 9:08:09 AM by encrypted12345

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I'm not sure how old Mercelda was ten years ago, but here's a picture from the anime◊

I think she was either 16 or 19. I'll try to find a link. (EDIT: Here, upper-left corner — she's 29 in the current time, so she was 19)

But that's merchandise, which is not part of the series' content.

edited 30th Apr '12 9:21:29 AM by OneMore

She's apparently 19, IIRC. The iffy part is that the guy is 13 at the time.

I'm not entirely sure if the merchandise should be taken into account, considering that the Japanese have probably made nearly-NSFW figurines of nearly every female character under the sun, underage or not. (I exaggerate, but you get the point.)

Thanks for clarifying, shima.

Anyway, I have no vested interest in this either way, but I'm going to give my comments on Lotte as a neutral observer later - I wanted to see if it was as bad as claimed. So far, I've covered all the scanlated chapters and am at Ep 5 of the anime.

edited 30th Apr '12 9:23:18 AM by Pyrite

Not a substitute for a formal medical consultation.

Figurines in Japan don't actually tend to be made entirely by the people who wrote or designed the anime. The merch tends to be made by completely different teams, normally the companies who make the merch buy licenses for hundreds of anime, and the people who make the anime themselves don't have any say in what the end result figures are.

That's entirely on the company making the figure.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick

It's stated in one of the first few pages of chapter one that Lotte's mother had already started consuming semen when she was Lotte's age. While she didn't engage in actual sex until several years later, and Lotte too is point out to be too young for actual sex, the point still stands.

edited 30th Apr '12 9:36:48 AM by Spirit

#IceBearForPresident

Lotte is also too immature to consume any uh...semen. She drinks milk instead.

Are there scenes of her drinking milk that if left entirely out of context could look nasty?

No. I myself didn't about know the...substitution until someone pointed it out.

edited 30th Apr '12 9:56:28 AM by Spirit

#IceBearForPresident

It's probably pointed out more in the anime, in which Naoya has to find exactly the right milk for Lotte.

edited 30th Apr '12 9:57:00 AM by animeg3282

I don't know if it would help, but I reiterate a point that I've previously mentioned when Lotte No Omocha was first brought up a few weeks ago: We're talking about two members of a whole species of Horny Devils here, complete with an infant-to-child-to-adolescent-to-adult growth cycle not unlike humankind, thus it would be virtually impossible to not involve children of such a species in any form of sexuality at some point, and their whole culture is bound to have very drastic Values Dissonance from human norms and taboos. At some point in the history of "Horny Devils as actual species/race", someone somewhere must've had had Fridge Logic about what a child succubus/incubus would be like.

edited 30th Apr '12 9:57:03 AM by MarqFJA

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

It seems unquestionable that the main character in Lotte is a pre-teen who is sexualized by simple fact of being placed in a highly sexual role.

The question then would be whether or not such sexualization is condemned by the work. From reading the discussion in these threads it seems like it's either played for laughs or played for fanservice, which makes any real condemnation sound half-hearted at best.

edited 30th Apr '12 9:57:37 AM by Meeble

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^^ While that is worth a thought or two, the species of a character ends up being irrelevant. What matters is whether the work is ultimately, and deliberately, paedo-pandering.

edited 30th Apr '12 10:01:56 AM by Spirit

#IceBearForPresident

RE Lotte's mother having sex with the male lead when he was around age 13: The Other Wiki has this to say about what had happened.

Make of that as you will.

I'm just saying that such facts should be taken into consideration when making the judgment call.

edited 30th Apr '12 10:02:48 AM by MarqFJA

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

What do you mean by "highly sexual role"? If it's about being a succubus — it's been said that she does not engage in any kind of sexual or related acts.

Also to note: She originally intended to meet and seduce Naoya's father (thinking he would be mana-rich too), but he didn't come home that night.

edited 30th Apr '12 10:04:17 AM by OneMore