That's not what the word means (alt-title crowner): Napier

We have a consensus to rename here, let's see some alt names suggestions. Otherwise, this thread needs to be closed to make way for an active TRS.

Conman In Marks Clothing?

Fake Mark or Fakeout Mark?

That's good.

According to this page, a similar existing term is:

Rube Act: A script for short-con games in which the inside man plays the part of a naïve country bumpkin, of whom the sucker and the outside man conspire to take advantage. Use in three-card monte credited to Canada Bill Jones. From the ancient dodge from 15th century Spain known as "playing the peasant."

Though it might be confusing to people who are unfamiliar with the term.

edited 3rd May '12 8:09:34 AM by Aquillion

Crowner swapped.

"Rube" is a reasonably well-known term, and if you know the term, Rube Act seems straightforward enough. I can get behind that.

Well, it's pre-existing in an obscure slang that most people don't know, which is exactly the same problem the name "Napier" had.

According to the dictionary, a "rube" is a yokel. That's unrelated to the trope.

It's Rube Act, not Rube. And at least from Google I do find the term easily.

Bumping for votes.

It probably doesn't help that I upvoted all of them, huh? This is one of those crowners where I'd like to see each term at least become a redirect.

Another vote bump.

Okay, so the issue with "napier" is that it's a slang term that most people haven't heard of, and we're about to replace it by "rube act" which is also a slang term that most people haven't heard of. That strikes me as rather pointless. Perhaps we should get some better alternatives on the crowner.

Are you kidding? I see "rube" all the time! Maybe you're just not a fan of caper stories. Phrases like, "don't be a rube, it's a sucker bet!" or "to pull this off, we're going to need to find a rube" don't ring any bells? Because they certainly do to me.

"Napier", on the other hand, is a term I've never heard (except in the name of the mathematician, John Napier, the discoverer of logarithms).

(I'm not saying we need to use "rube"—I'm just shocked to hear someone claim it's obscure.)

I'm probably not from your culture, country/state, or age group.

Have heard "rube" a million times, "napier" never.

Added "shill", who usually (but not always) pretends to be a bystander, in a con game.

edited 3rd Jul '12 4:30:22 PM by rodneyAnonymous

Shill is just wrong. A shill shows enthusiasm for the bait. This guy is the bait.

Calling crowner in favor of Conman In Marks Clothing

Done, but with the low wick and example count, I tihnk further action is needed.

Maybe run it through YKTTW without cutting, just to gather examples.

I thought of that, but I kinda suck at YKTTW.

Is anything else going to be done, or can we call this soup?

Needs some indexes and, *sigh*, I'll go ahead and run it through YKTTW. Two examples really just doesn't cut it.

ETA: the description also needs work, as the current description refers to the old name, and substituting the new name doesn't really fit in context. I'll bang it around before going to YKTTW.

ETA x2: the YKTTW is here. (There, that wasn't so hard, was it?) :)

edited 31st Aug '12 5:32:14 PM by Xtifr

Eddie decided to unilaterally rename the trope to Fake Mark, ignoring the crowner. Which, I suppose, is his prerogative, but I think Fake Mark is a terrible choice. It could mean anything. It could be a rub-on tattoo. He is the boss, so if he really insists, then that's the way it'll be, but I'd love to hear his arguments for the name. I think Fake Mark is about as far from clarity as you can get and still make sense.

(He also discarded the YKTTW, but I think that was an honest mistake. He seemed to think it was a duplicate, rather than an attempt to get more than two examples.)

edited 8th Sep '12 2:09:51 AM by Xtifr

^I think the name choice was because current was too long and and second-best too obscure.

I think you can just PM about the YKTTW.