Frozen (Disney film)

Those damn Elsa/Anna shippers

-shakes fist-

Apparently shippers do ship any characters who show the slightest bit of interest in each other (never mind if said interest is definitely not romantic), so, since Anna says "I love you" to Elsa, and since Elsa does not show any attraction to anyone and seems only concerned with Anna, this sparked the idea that the sisters desperately want to bang each other.

Edited by C105 on Jun 14th 2019 at 3:12:13 PM

I can't tell if the most popular ship is Anna/Elsa or Jack/Elsa. There's evidence for both—Elsanna is big with adults and is most popular with fanfic writers, while Jelsa is popular with teens (and preteens?) and is most popular in visual media.

Incest shippers normally just squick me out but for Frozen, they actively piss me off since they seem to miss the whole point of the movie being that nonromantic love can be just as powerful as romantic love. :/

re: movies without romance: Yeah, there are quite a few Disney movies that don't have romance, but most of those are male-led. There aren't as many female-led Disney movies that don't have romance for the lead. The only examples really are Brave (which is a Pixar movie so it mayyy not count?), Moana, and Zootopia (and it makes me hope that a sequel/TV show does not decide to make the two leads don't end up romantically involved but I am. less than optimistic). I dug how Frozen, while it did have a romantic subplot for Anna, didn't have any for Elsa.

To be honest, though, I'd be fine with either Elsa being gay in the sequel or just not having a romantic subplot. Or both!

Also, re:sword in the stone. It's not a romance subplot in the classical sense of the term. But I find the whole heartbroken squirrel thing to be easily the most memorable and emotionally traumatic part of that film.

It's also a case of everyone looking too deep into things. Elsa has incredible mental trauma from repressing herself from others and then her song is about her finally getting it all out, which people seem to think means she's outing herself as LGBT.

It wouldn’t be the first time Disney narratives have been coded as metaphors for queerness. A LOT of Beauty and the Beast reads extremely differently after learning that Howard Ashman was gay and dying of AIDS at the time of writing the songs for the film. Even if Frozen is just repeating its tropes for the sake of tradition, the queer implications of those tropes, and the message that they send to viewers, are carried through like DNA.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jun 14th 2019 at 9:16:32 AM

... have fans always been this thought-provoking!?

Tell me that the French poster◊ doesn't look like an Abbey Road Crossing.

Also, new details on the plot have come out of the Annecy film festival.

Head of animation Becky Bresee and head of effects Marlon West revealed that the story picks up three years after the ending of the first film. “It's an evolution and an expansion of the story of Frozen, and many of the questions raised in the first movie become the mysteries that our gang are trying to solve in this film,” said Bresee, who said the main question of the film is: “Why was Elsa born with her powers?”
“[It's] about two sisters trying to stay together while the world tries to tear them apart,” added West.
Key scenes revealed Elsa hearing a haunting sound from the forest, and key art showed her father telling her bedtime stories as a child. Bresee said the call was inspired by the ancient Swedish herding call Kulning.
Elsa's father relays a tale of a battle that happened in the forest long ago when the spirits of the forest faced off against the people of the kingdom [of Arendelle]. Now the group — including Elsa, her sister Anna, Kristoff, and snowman Olaf — must head deeper into the woods to find out about the past, putting them in danger.
Another key scene showed Elsa swimming deep into the ocean, turning a wave into ice and descending into the depths of a stormy sea, while a happier vignette showed the characters playing charades together, though Elsa is distracted because she cannot stop hearing the cries from the forest.
Bresee and West said that the film is still in production, with seven weeks of animation to be completed and 10 weeks of special effects. It's due out in France on Nov. 20 and the U.S. on Nov. 22. They revealed the French poster, which shows the four walking past a lake in bright sun, but the reflection in the lake is dark red.

Edited by dmcreif on Jun 14th 2019 at 3:52:20 AM

From the same source:

The movie takes apparently place 3 years after the first one (so that would make it 2 years after Frozen Fever), Elsa is apparently the only one who can hear the calls from the forest, and Olaf is now an avid reader.

THANK you! Ugh! The unanswered questions about why Elsa has these powers were my biggest annoyances I had with the first film!

I don't care about the reasons why Elsa has her powers because I honestly don't see that as important information. Plus with the first movie being nearly six years old I don't think any explanation will be satisfying either way. I do wonder what other mysteries from the first movie the sequel is trying to answer though...

What did Elsa eat in her ice palace?

she ordered a take away

Where and how did she sleep? An ice bed doesn't look comfy.

(x6) Though I'll bet he still has the occasional "DRY BANANA HIPPY HAT" moment.

If she can make comfortable clothes out of ice, she can make a comfortable bed.

If there's only one quibble I have it's that there once again doesn't seem to be a straightforward disney villain in a film. I'm not going to hold this against Frozen 2 specifically. I just kinda want to see a simple, good one again because I know disney can make them.

Edited by GNinja on Jun 14th 2019 at 5:49:49 PM

I also never saw "Why does Elsa have ice powers?" as important information and a little edging into 'missing the point's territory.

It's a metaphor. It's applicability for a beautiful character trait that you feel shame or anxiety about.

It's not a metaphor if you overly explain the context of your applicable trait. It's like asking why X-Men have mutant genes. You're missing the point of the minority metaphor. And one writing rule is dont over explain your metaphor.

I just assumed it was latent magic and.or related to some eclipse or something. (Didn't the first movie have a Word of God about the planets aligning on her birth or something?)

I wonder if there’ll be a moment when Anna realizes that Elsa was her age when she took over the kingdom officially. Like it hits Anna that she’s now the same age, and that her age is still really young. That those three years of an age difference really don’t mean as much as it seemed when she was eighteen. She doesn’t feel that much different. Maybe she’s a little smarter, a little better with a sword, but it’s not a huge milestone. It’s not an age where she’d feel comfortable taking on so much responsibility. But she never had to really worry about that. Elsa did.

(And let’s not think about how easy it would be for Elsa to stay in the magic forest if Anna’s already the minimum age to be crowned Queen, shall we? They did that in Ralph Breaks the Internet. They had a canon leader of a “kingdom” completely shirk all responsibility to join a new game where she “fit in” despite the entire first movie being about realizing that sometimes you have an important role to play in life, even if it’s not what you initially wanted, and that there’s power in making that role your own and being true to yourself despite it. And I really don’t want to see them do that again. I’d rather see Elsa remain as Queen of Arendelle, bringing about change and positivity through her position of authority, rather than run off to join a new group of people because “she’s like them”.)

Edited by dmcreif on Jun 15th 2019 at 8:17:34 AM

I agree with you about the second point.

Pretty much this. I don't know what explaining the origin of her powers would answer other than why she has powers. Let's say she was cursed by some ice demon. How does that explanation help? There will also be obvious questions about what that ice demon is and where it came from, and answering those questions will diverge too far from the movie's intentions.

One plus of the movie not explaining her powers is that Elsa had to learn to live with herself and her powers, so it doesn't matter how or why she has those ice powers.

It looks like they finally want to play with the idea of the origin of her powers in the sequel, so I wonder what they'll do with it.

Edited by TheBiggestLoser on Jun 15th 2019 at 11:46:08 AM

On the other hand, I vividly remember the rampant speculation the fandom engaged in in regards to Elsa's magic and what it might mean to the rest of the setting, specially on the fanfiction communities.

Plenty of people asked those questions and pondered upon their answer.

It makes sense to take those background ideas and brought them to the foreground in the sequel to broaden the scope of the story.

...So is Arendelle a kingdom again? I'm glad if so. It being a part of Norway, or in the same world as Norway, or whatever never stuck with me.

The origin of Elsa's powers doesn't interest me. Is it a genetic thing, supernatural thing, or what? Elsa never seemed to care about the origin before—it's just a part of her. Heck, I think it'd be better if it was kept vague. 'Focus less on the "why" and more on the future. I wonder if an origin will hurt the applicability of Elsa's character.

Five bucks the film doesn't even reveal the origin. They look and look but can't find the exact source, so they just give up and decide it doesn't matter.