Frozen (Disney film)

Awww that looks touching.

Finally! An animated short attached to a movie I actually WANT to see in theaters!

That was hilarious. XD

It looks cute indeed. Elsa's new dress is gorgeous indeed (yeah, I tend to focus mainly on the sisters, though Olaf is funny here).

Article pertaining to the short,

I think this is the remember first a featurette-length Disney short since The Prince and the Pauper.

this is the remember first a featurette-length Disney short since The Prince and the Pauper.

....what?

So it's going to be 21 minutes long? I can see how they can justify putting out a trailer.

It's technically 3 minutes short of being featurette length.

edited 14th Jun '17 9:54:14 AM by BigMadDraco

Seems all my worries about this short have been put to rest. Yes, it stars Olaf, but he doesn't seem too annoying and the conflict still revolves around Elsa's and Anna's relationship. Plus there's a new song, and the animation looks great. It's everything I'd hoped for.

Also the Snowgies are nowhere to be seen, which is good because this is taking place chronologically before Frozen Fever. If the Snowgies had appeared, it'd mean they'd retconned the date of Anna's birthday, which would've made me MAD.

And poor Elsa still seems to feel responsible for their family lacking any traditions, which is quite OK by me, as it means there will probably be more heartwarming scenes between the sisters.

As for releasing a trailer for a short, they did release a trailer for Frozen Fever, so...

That talking snowman burned all their traditions!That monster

The short is from WDAS, so I think there's still some communication between the workers of all the animated Frozen stuff. And was it ever mentioned how long the short happens after the movie?

Hopefully, they won't hammer that stuff in because it sort of felt that way from the trailer. I'm OK with Elsa still feeling responsible, but then again I don't know if there's a better way to communicate that.

... Frozen is almost 4 years old.

:O Holy cow.

Frozen happens in July ("A real howler in July, yah?"), and Anna's birthday is in June (confirmed by Word of God), so Frozen Fever must be happening almost a year after the movie ("You've never had a real birthday before...").

Olaf's Frozen Adventure, meanwhile, is clearly showing the first post-movie Christmas, meaning it's the December before Anna's birthday. Elsa's birthday is a couple days before Christmas and was detailed in one of the tie-in children's books.

R the children's books canon to the movie?

They're officially published by Disney, and they've been very careful to conform to canon as far as I know (getting the names of Elsa and Anna's parents correct, etc.) I don't see why they wouldn't be canon. It's not like anything groundbreaking ever happens in them, anyways.

Fan artists seem to have fallen in love with the new dresses (then again, who would not?). Pocket Princesses example.

On completely unrelated news, there has been a Frozen reference in a recent episode of Doctor Who. I can die happy now (albeit peeved at the fact that my crossover fics now suffer a bad case of Celebrity Paradox).

That was funny. XD

I actually bought a Frozen: Hearts Full of Sunshine comic a week ago. Despite its length and having a collection of stories, it's still very light. I do like the artwork, though. I'm guessing nothing major happens in the comics or novels so the main continuity isn't messed with. Personally, I'd be ok with alternate continuities.

Also, Anna and Elsa's birthdays. This is new to me, and those are some interesting birth dates.

Sounds about right.

If this is successful, I wonder if we'll see more long shorts like this, to give more meat to the story than a 7 minute short like Frozen Fever or Tangled Ever After, but without needing the full commitment and stakes of a full sequel.

Random funny fanart of the day
I'm responsible for having suggested the idea to the artist (who also produced that one) to use that scene. I don't regret it

On completely unrelated news, I passed by a whole family dressed as Frozen characters a few months back, right in the middle of London (I usually don't expect this kind of dress-up around Soho). The little girl and her brother dressed as Elsa and Olaf respectively were logical choices, but I was kinda bothered by the fact that the parents were dressed as Anna and Hans.

Some bits of the songs from Olaf's Frozen Adventure.

Eh, this isn't building my confidence in this. Sorry to be a downer, but none of these songs really stand out to me. They're all kind of generic and way too saccharine (yes, even by Frozen's standards).

Like, the song in Frozen Fever was catchier and had more wit to it. But I guess I'll have to wait and hear the whole songs before I made a final judgement call.

http://ew.com/movies/2017/03/29/frozen-original-ending/ The original ending - Frozen

Sorry, someone posted it before, but since no one seemed to notice it, I thought I'd put it out again, as I found it very interesting. I'd heard of Elsa being the villain originally, but given the original Snow queen story, I'd always wondered how they got from point A to point B. Very interesting, and nice I finally got some more insight into this.

Strangely enough, I rather like the original idea. The subversion of the original prophesy was nice, a decent subversion to the generic prophesy story (and at least by Disney standards, prophesy's are seldom done. It would have been unique and well done if in the animated fairy tale canon, even if prophecies are trite in much pop culture)

The original ending was similar in tone to the canon ending of the film, a strange and unexpected twist, but understandably without the emotional impact the Canon film had. Even if, IMHO Frozen was kind of a mess of a film, the ending of Anna to save Elsa was, and still is arguably the best thing they've offered us in the entire movie, a moment where everything( while I was watching the film) seemed to pause, that seemed strangely unbelievable. Its a moment that says a lot, especially about Anna.

And yet I still like the original idea.

The stakes were different, the villains had different setups. Arguably the most divisive character, Elsa, played a much different role, with how the climax played out and with her relationship to Anna. Most interesting was Elsa, while still villainous, actually redeemed herself, and Hans was definitely the villain (Its hard to articulate, but Hans is not really driving the conflict in frozen, but still a feasible obstacle. At least in earlier drafts, the prophecy was 'referring' to him).

I can't quite explain it all, and I'd be interesting if any one else has ideas that don't just tout Frozen as superior in every way. The original drafts obviously had problems and needed to be reworked, but I can't help but feel like Frozen reworked things too much, went to far in the other direction of being innovative, disregarding the more solid story structure it had initially. Elsa and Hans too shifted a lot in this regard, and I wonder the positives and negatives of this.

TLDR; sorry for long text wall, but last paragraph pretty much sums my idea. also read the original ending of Frozen! It gives you a lot to think of, from a critical standpoint

Deciding not to have Else be evil due to being jilted at the altar was a very good call - that's an old and tired cliche. Being disappointed in love is pretty much the worst motivation to give a female villain.

Having Else and Annabsaving each other was also a huge improvement over their original ideas.

Kristoff's characterization turned out weak because he's mostly there as a red herring (to make the audience expect that the "true love" involves him). I also think having Else being a little more villainous - having her be angry about having to spend a lifetime repressing her powers, rather than just being scared of her lack of control - would have made for a stronger story. Or have her be revealed at her coronation and denied the throne or Arendelle because of her powers, and set off the winter because of that. One of the weaknesses of the movie is that we don't actually see a whole lot of Elsa, and giving her a role with some genuinely villainous elements could have corrected that.

edited 23rd Sep '17 2:43:21 PM by Galadriel