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I agree with Cygan.

edited 14th Jan '12 4:02:34 AM by Firebert

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Forgive me. Coding and the administration were two seperate issues.

I believe you need to be an administrator to do the coding, but I may not be correct here.

Morven is a good moderator.

Bobby is one of the best moderators I have seen on the 'net, like, ever. He's a very good man, and one who benefits this site greatly.

I would be inclined to disagree. It is like a classroom, really. Therer are a lot of stupid people, but there are people with a brain in their head, too.

There are too many toasters in my chimney!

I like Madrugada. I wish her modding style didn't come across as "overbearing mum" though.

Morven and Bobby G are cool.

Dunno enough about Camacan to tell you.

Meta Four is one of the solidest people I've ever met on the site.

I forget about all the others.

Well, ok, but my point was more that unless having to code is an integral part of being an administrator, or unless there's some hard limit of one and only one administrator, Eddie should be able to split some stuff off with a clear understanding of who's in charge of what.

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That has been brought up before.

The problem is, who would make a good administrator in the meantime?

Part of the problem is that this person needs to have equal power with Eddie, including a willingness to disagree with Eddie when needed, which is not something I can see some of the current moderators doing as easily as would be required.

There are too many toasters in my chimney!

My point was that Fast Eddie has to both code the site and perform the highest echelons of site control functions. I figured if that if there was a way for the users to handle the peanut gallery side of things he could focus exclusively on programming and breathe a little easier.

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Also, I'm pretty sure "no site" is not something that the contributors want - not the ones who've stuck around, anyway.

As for the renames issue, I think here we hit a fundamental difference of opinion, because personally I think clarity is a vast improvement over, as you put it, excessively weeaboo names.

@ Blue Ninja: The coding issue is something we really need Eddie on; the administrative side of the forums was designed by Eddie from the ground up with only his and Janitor's personal use in mind, so user-friendliness wasn't exactly a consideration. AFAIK none of the mods is that up on coding, except perhaps Tangent.

@ Cygan: I do see why that would be unsatisfactory. I don't believe any of the problems are so entrenched that improvement can't be made, though. I just think it will take time, which is one of the hardest things to ask for online because I know we're used to everything being very immediate.

As for the moderators, I don't think it would be very professional of me to start rating them, but I will say that Camacan is a great guy (at least when you're not on the receiving end of his modly wrath) who was appointed on the considerable strength of his edits, and whose judgement I'm willing to put a great deal of faith into.

And, thanks for the compliments, Ninja and Cygan. I appreciate it, and I'll do my very best not to let you down.

edited 14th Jan '12 5:19:55 AM by BobbyG

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Um, not necessarily. One forum I used to frequent had one overall admin, and two sub-admins who had greater control options than moderators but still less than the main administrator. I honestly don't know if the programming for this site works that way, I merely bring it up as a possibility. If Eddie could do this, and split off to give someone*

or more than one someone

admin for forum-only things, it would (I hope) save him some of the headaches.

[edit]

OK, I knew that everything was custom designed, but not how difficult it is to use. If it's not a valid option, then feel free to ignore my posts on the matter. [/edit]

edited 14th Jan '12 4:28:29 AM by BlueNinja0

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A sub-admin cannot keep Eddie in check.

There are too many toasters in my chimney!

I don't know what you mean by "keep Eddie in check", but mods can and do voice their disagreement with Eddie when necessary.

He ultimately gets final say, but then, he's running and funding this site, and AFAIK he's had more experience at this than any of us.

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Yes, but that wasn't my suggestion, which apparently isn't feasible anyway.

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A lot of people don't trust his judgment 100% and dislike him having absolute final say as a result.

People are unsure what will incur his personal wrath, what will simply be ignored, and what will be taken into consideration and applied into the tapestry of code and writ law.

edited 14th Jan '12 4:32:26 AM by CharpocalypseNowRedux

Charlatan said it best.

There are too many toasters in my chimney!

If it's not out of line, I'd like to inquire of the dozen people who have downvoted me, why they believe I am not qualified to be a moderator on the forums?

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Erm, just in case, can we move such a conversation to P Ms?

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Personally, I'd like to know what the mods think of me; but that, too, is something best left to PMs. (I'm only mentioning it here because I don't want to bug every mod by sending them a PM just for this; if they don't wanna respond to this, it's the easiest thing in the world just to ignore this post.)

Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.

My PM box is always open, unless there's some limit on the number of P Ms we can keep.

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^^ You could do what I did and ask just one of them. —shrug—

edited 14th Jan '12 5:24:19 AM by juancarlos

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@juan: Not only the mods are voting, and I am curious why my fellow tropers dislike the thought of me joining the ranks of the moderators. I don't want to start flame wars or anything, just want to know what people feel I am lacking or doing "wrong" in that specific regard.

Y'know, since I can't go start the OTC Celebrity Roast for myself.

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@ Bobby 1782

I think the reason that a lot of fans got hot under the collar about the renames away from Japanese terms is because Anime and Manga fans played a pretty hefty part in getting the site popular, and creating a buzz around it. They were energetic, and did a lot to convince their friends, and various fansites to place tvtropes on top of their go-to pile. Then after SA started ragging on tvtropes for acknowledging Japan exists (because SA is incredibly racist in that regard), and the must-have-respectability crowd moved in, it was all "okay guys, you've made us popular, now fuck off you wankers there is no place for the likes of you here". That kinda hurts, y'know. If it hadn't been for Anime fans, and Anime terms, then tvtropes would not be anywhere near as popular as what it is. It's kinda ungrateful to be purging the site of the very thing and very people that did a lot of the heavy lifting in getting the site recognised.

Of course I'll be flamed for saying that.

As for who is the best Mod. Camacan, hands down. Authoritative, yet friendly. If Eddie ever did step back for a couple of months, for the sake of his health, then Camacan would be the perfect caretaker. In fact, I'd support Camacan as taking over as Eddie's deputy Mod. He's a good contrast to Eddie, and a leader and second in command should contrast each other in styles.

edited 14th Jan '12 5:29:17 AM by CrypticMirror

@Cryptic: I really don't know anything about Camacan, because aside from a couple of holler responses, I've never seen him in OTC. I only bring this up because the last 15 pages or so have been largely about OTC moderation, so would that be a weakness in promoting him to co-admin or whatever?

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@ Cryptic Mirror: Believe me, I have absolutely no intention of disrespecting anime fans or driving them from the site.

But, y'know, that version of events isn't exactly accurate. I was arguing for the removal of Japanese trope names on the English language wiki (with the exception of pre-existing loanwords and anime/manga specific terminology, e.g. Ninja, Bishōnen, Manga, of course) long before I became a moderator, and I believe before the first SA thread even existed. So were many other people.

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@Cryptic, those of us who led the charge away from anime names had nothing to with SA. In fact, a lot of us are those same anime fans. We're just fans of other media too and we want to be able to share this site with our friends no matter if they're anime fans too or not.

While the anime stuff may have gotten a big initial boost, a lot of it wasn't growing at the rate the non-anime stuff was any more and we wanted names that everyone understood for topics everyone used. I just think it was taken a little too far in some cases.

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There is no reason for the site to be weeaboo-ish. Tropes that are prevalent mostly in anime or exclusive to Japan are fine with Japanese names, but having Nakama, for instance, as a trope name is ridiculous.

However, there have been tropers that are very venomous on the prospect of having anime-Japanese names at all. That's taking it too far.

Ninjas everywhere...

edited 14th Jan '12 5:55:40 AM by lu127

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