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I have to say that the X Men franchise has been going on for decades. Maybe not as many as the Superman franchise has, but it still has quite a number to it.
One thing I am certain of is that the franchise seems to be subverting Status Quo Is God in recent years. Magneto and Professor Xavier seem to be fading into the background, with Cyclops and Wolverine taking their places. A lot of villains associated to the X-Men have been killed off and have actually stayed dead so far.
All this gives me the general impression that the franchise is trying to reinvent itself. Do you think that's what's going on here?
Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 29th 2023 at 10:02:23 AM
Here's a question: what is the best Wolverine story there is? Or is there a list of great Wolverine stories?
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For Logan, I'd say the best stories were his original mini, and of course, the Barry Windsor-Smith Weapon X story.
The best Wolverine story, of course, is Old Woman Laura.
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I think it’s mainly the classic stories from 80’s & such.
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So nothing modern?
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Shit I don’t think so.
Then again the 21st century is when the Wolverine shilling got really, really bad.
Edited by slimcoder on Mar 16th 2019 at 10:07:43 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
I was thinking about Wolverine and how and what I would write if I wrote him. I've read some good modern Wolvernine stories — mainly Greg Rucka's run and parts of the newer Old Man Logan — but it seems like every writer just...does the same thing as before. Is there story where someone does something new with Logan (aside from that time they killed him)?
Edited by alliterator on Mar 16th 2019 at 10:12:19 AM
It doesn't happen often. It's either samurai bullshit, Sabretooth bullshit, Weapon X bullshit, old buddy who winds up dead bullshit, or healing factor bullshit.
Logan's at his best as a support system for teen girls discovering how strong they are, so if the boring fucker has to be around, just let him do that. "Hey, 13-year-old girl with the mutant ability to perfectly measure things at a glance, I'm taking you to Madripoor to fight violent criminals. You're gonna love it, trust me."
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Remember how Logan was adamant about protecting the innocence of the children in Schism?
, because it not only had Wolverine fighting against Elektra, but also protecting a young girl who turned out to be a mutant. (Plus, it just looked cool.)
I guess the problem is that Wolverine not only has to have his own solo adventures, but also be available for being part of the main X-Men team and sometimes Weapon X or X-Force or the Avengers. Which means he has to stay solo in his main book...which is boring. Wolverine may have started off as an interesting character, but right now, he's just boring.
I think if I was going to write Wolverine, I'd base it on Lone Wolf and Cub or what I think Logan would have become had he not died at the end: an older Logan and a young girl Walking the Earth and fighting bad guys. And it would be from the girl's perspective.
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I'm thinking of doing a prison story with him now.
Has that been done before?
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
I don't think it has, but it would probably be very interesting. Would it be a normal prison and he's staying there for a reason (so he could escape at any point, but doesn't) or a futuristic prison where he has to find a way to escape?
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I don’t know I’m still working out the details, I got the idea after skimming through my collection of Deadman Wonderland. Manga about a kid framed & sent to a prison that also functions as an amusement park. He wears a collar where if he doesn’t consume an antidote (which he he buys as candy from doing work) at regular intervals it will execute him.
Though I’m thinking he shouldn’t be able to escape whenever he wants. He’ll try to escape because he never planned on being there but conspiracies & experiance there force him to deal with the shit there.
Edited by slimcoder on Mar 17th 2019 at 12:35:02 PM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."It's been done at least once I can think of. Logan and Beast were sent to the Raft, or the Vault, or one of those prisons for super-people.
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I’m thinking by himself in a more isolated & unfamiliar environment.
He doesn’t know where the Hell he is.
Maybe a more philosophical or laidback approach as he finds the place strangely calming causing him to reminisce about the exhaustion of his long life.
Edited by slimcoder on Mar 17th 2019 at 12:49:57 PM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Man, the Marvel universe has so many super prisons. Off the top of my head, there's the Raft, the Vault, the Big House, the Cube, the Negative Zone Prison, and the Fridge (or maybe that was just in Agents of SHIELD). And that's not even counting space prisons like the Kyln or that prison Black Bolt was in.
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And yet, they are all effective as Arkham in keeping Supervillains locked up.
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@ alliterator: Wow, I had no idea Yoshitaka Amano had drawn a Wolverine/Elektra story. It’s nuts to think that the old-school Final Fantasy concept artist has done work for Marvel.
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For starters, there's the idea Magneto taught any mutants to love and respect themselves. Which, as Wanda and Piedro can attest to, is a load of bull.
Also, Magneto is every bit as genocidal as the Nazis. Arguably more so.
Edited by windleopard on Mar 19th 2019 at 1:30:42 AM
Never mind Pietro and Wanda, he constantly belittled Toad, the only one who was actually loyal to him back then. Magneto was vicious to poor Toad.
News from Emerald City Comic-Con: Would You Read a Colossus and Magik Comic About Russian Folklore by Zac Thompson, Lonnie Nadler, and Ian Bertram? I think the answer to that is: hell yes.
Jim Zub has talked about an Excalibur revival. I'd prefer it be written by Al Ewing, but Zub's a good writer, too.
Edited by alliterator on Mar 19th 2019 at 3:10:21 AM
Declan Shalvey had an Banshee comic pitch that sounds fascinating. It was turned down for various reasons (Banshee wasn't "marketable" enough, mainly), but X-MEN: GREEN (as Shalvey called it) really sounds like something new and interesting:
I wouldn't mind it honestly, but I can see why they turned it down. I like Banshee, but an ongoing starring him just isn't going to sell. At the very least it wouldn't last more than a year.
Yeah, I know, which is why I thought turning it into a new Generation X pitch would have been good — but I guess they already did a Generation X in 2017 and it didn't exactly fly off shelves (even though I loved it).
You know, that might make a really good one-shot, like they did with Uncanny X-Men: Winter's End. Just call it something like Uncanny X-Men: Banshee's Lament or something.
Edited by alliterator on Mar 20th 2019 at 8:32:18 AM
@ Blueace: Because that would validate the mutant haters, and because most superheroes aren't mutants so they'd be at a disadvantage.
Has a birth date ever been established for Wolverine? I know he was born in Canada between the 1880s and 1890s, but when I don't know