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Nov 14th 2011 at 10:46:58 AM

The namespace buttons have gone away on purpose. Access to the subpages is now done with the drop down in the alt title bar.

Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
ProgenyExMachina Humanoid of Many Names from behind you Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Humanoid of Many Names
Nov 14th 2011 at 10:52:08 AM

May I ask why?

I am the spline that reticulates sideways.
Nov 14th 2011 at 10:54:48 AM

Can't it be both? It was like that for a few minutes (I assume while you were switching between them) and it looked fine.

Shameless self promotion (Superpowers and biotech)
DemonSharkKisame sucking 'em down like Coca-Cola from my cramped room Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
sucking 'em down like Coca-Cola
Nov 14th 2011 at 10:58:25 AM

[up][up] My guess is to reduce clutter. So far, I like it. It'll take a bit to adjust to the "new" way, but it's nice so far.

"Here's to feeling good all the time."
DrStarky Okay Guy from Corn And Pig Land Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky
Okay Guy
Nov 14th 2011 at 10:58:58 AM

Woah, this'll take a little getting used to.

Put me in motion, drink the potion, use the lotion, drain the ocean, cause commotion, fake devotion, entertain a notion, be Nova Scotian
blackcat Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Nov 14th 2011 at 10:59:14 AM

Probably could use a headline

We never go any where without our swords and boas.
Nov 14th 2011 at 11:00:03 AM

Just include both, without the links you can't open new pages from the dropbox.

Wulf Gotta trope, dood! from Louisiana
Gotta trope, dood!
Nov 14th 2011 at 11:01:51 AM

Eh. Maybe I'll grow to like it, but it seems like it was much better the old way— Much easier to tell which namespace was which at a glance, and plain more noticeable in general. I suppose it does help to draw attention to alt titles, but the text is too small to draw attention to the dialogue box and I have a strong suspicion new users (and old ones who don't frequent the forums) will ignore or miss it entirely.

EDIT: Also, what [up] said. Can't open in a new tab from a dropdowm.

edited 14th Nov '11 11:02:46 AM by Wulf

They lost me. Forgot me. Made you from parts of me. If you're the One, my father's son, what am I supposed to be?
Nov 14th 2011 at 11:03:32 AM

I can see the logic of hiding the tearjerker, heartwarming, fanfic, et al, but I think it is a mistake to hide the links to the discussion page, YMMV, and Trivia in a menu like that. It's just going to make people forget they exist and we'll end up with YMMV and Trivia entries on the main page. Plus it might make people forget about the YMMV and Trivia tropes entirely and those sections could end up withering away.

dryunya Uh, what? from nom nom nom Relationship Status: Forming Voltron
Uh, what?
Nov 14th 2011 at 11:05:31 AM

I'd certainly change the colour of the 'Subpages' string - it seems like it's a part of the alt titles.

The Other Wiki could really use Laconic entries.
RainehDaze from Scotland Relationship Status: Mu
Nov 14th 2011 at 11:11:59 AM

Not the most noticeable thing ever, is it? Also takes a bit longer... it's certainly less cluttered but trickier. In addition to the YMMV/Trivia things, it marginalises character pages. :/

I STILL LIVE
Fighteer Geronimo! from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Geronimo!
Nov 14th 2011 at 11:12:18 AM

Chiming in with agreement that all possible subpages need to be accessible through here, whether they exist or not.

Please join the namespace configuration project!
ProgenyExMachina Humanoid of Many Names from behind you Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Humanoid of Many Names
Nov 14th 2011 at 11:13:52 AM

I can see how it might be preferable this way for some people, but it's also rather less so for others. Perhaps a compromise? We can choose things like whether spoilers are hidden; I don't see why there can't be an option in our profiles for buttons vs. dropdown.

I am the spline that reticulates sideways.
Raso Cure Candy
Cure Candy
Nov 14th 2011 at 11:15:09 AM

Ok I really like this new system, it actually covers all subpages instead of the ones deemed worthy of an icon.

Easy to use too.

I disagree that we need to show all possible subpages. There are some odd namespaces / subpages out there that exist because the work would monopolize the main page any other way but that doesn't mean every work needs one of those pages.

edited 14th Nov '11 11:20:18 AM by Raso

Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!
AnnoR "Of course, Satsuki-sama." from Honnouji Academy
"Of course, Satsuki-sama."
Nov 14th 2011 at 11:15:18 AM

Marginalized character pages, unclear, oh, I don't like this one bit. Perhaps the previous way was cluttered, but it was clear what you were clicking on and it stood out.

"Oh, dear. The toad, the monkey, and the dog have all screwed up."
blackcat Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Nov 14th 2011 at 11:15:26 AM

Headline in with link to discussion.

We never go any where without our swords and boas.
InsanityPrelude Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
Nov 14th 2011 at 11:15:33 AM

I don't like marginalizing YMMV/Characters/Discussion, but on the other hand this is kind of nifty. I found subpages I didn't know even had their own namespaces. Looks more elegant, too.

DrStarky Okay Guy from Corn And Pig Land Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky
Okay Guy
Nov 14th 2011 at 11:20:21 AM

This makes it possible to easily acsess namespaces that don't icons made for them.

I like that.

Put me in motion, drink the potion, use the lotion, drain the ocean, cause commotion, fake devotion, entertain a notion, be Nova Scotian
Wulf Gotta trope, dood! from Louisiana
Gotta trope, dood!
Nov 14th 2011 at 11:20:58 AM

Hmm... would it be possible to have say, the buttons for the ones that have them and the dropdown menu off to the side with "...and [x] others" listing those off or something? Or do as we do with spoilers and folders and choose to show them either as a dropdown or otherwise (preferably buttons as default for the reasons I gave in this post?

They lost me. Forgot me. Made you from parts of me. If you're the One, my father's son, what am I supposed to be?
Nov 14th 2011 at 11:22:01 AM

I like the idea of being able to switch between them as a profile option.

Shameless self promotion (Superpowers and biotech)
Fighteer Geronimo! from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Geronimo!
Nov 14th 2011 at 11:25:06 AM

It's a lot of work to maintain two separate versions of the headers. I'd rather see it condensed, with the various Awesome X icons still showing and the pull-down next to it for the other subpages. There's a certain amount of vertical space inevitably committed to the combo box anyway, right?

edited 14th Nov '11 11:25:41 AM by Fighteer

Please join the namespace configuration project!
ShadowBender A Sadist RP-er from a world of my own.
A Sadist RP-er
Nov 14th 2011 at 11:26:01 AM

Profile option switch seconded. The drop-down menu should also be made more noticeable.

Sanity? Why would I need a useless thing like that? Now posting as Motor-Runner.
RainehDaze from Scotland Relationship Status: Mu
Nov 14th 2011 at 11:29:22 AM

I'm not sure that the Awesome/Whatever icons are as important as, say, character pages. :/

I STILL LIVE
SilentReverence adopting kitteh from 3 tiles right 1 tile up
adopting kitteh
Nov 14th 2011 at 11:29:59 AM

Chiming in to support "show all pages, existing or not" (although non-existing pages could use a visual indication).

Also, IMO, Main/ should go before all possible pages.

And since we're already capitalizing the display of all available similar pages for a trope or a work, what about adding internationalized pages as well? They've been artificially separated from the English articles since, like, one year ago without any clear advancement towards a solution.

edited 14th Nov '11 11:30:36 AM by SilentReverence

Fanfic Recs orwellianretcon'd: cutlocked for committee or for Google?
ShadowHog from Earth Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
Nov 14th 2011 at 11:32:29 AM

I would like to point out that the Discussion entry does not link to the correct page. For instance, take Main/Tropes. It will link to Discussion/Tropes, when it's supposed to link to https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=Main.Tropes.

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