Get rid of real life examples?: Tsundere

As it feels like there are more random examples of people being put in and not true examples of this.

I'd say limit to examples where the trope's being invoked - though they might properly belong in other sections.

There's already a separate page for real life examples, so it's not affecting the other pages. As it is, there's no reason to completely remove all examples. That said, there haven't actually been all that many edits and that page is pretty short. What exactly is the issue here?

While I can believe that it may someday become a problem, I don't see it as one right now. So, I am opposed to the proposal.

Yeah, it looks surprisingly good. I figured it would be Troper Tales in disguise, but its not.

Type B should be cut on the RL subpage, none of them seem like examples.

edited 12th Oct '11 7:59:30 PM by LenisJates

In Real Life, mean people are never mean all the time. That doesn't mean every person who is sometimes mean (which is what the examples look like right now) counts as a Tsundere. I vote cut.

This is just going to last forever if we don't just do it. I'm hollering for a single-prop crowner.

edited 12th Oct '11 8:40:43 PM by Discar

I say cut those examples. Any objections?

I don't see any problems. Against cut.

I'm for keeping the invoked examples, like the Tsundere cafe. That seems like a clear use of the trope. The others however, I wouldn't mind seeing gone.

EDIT: Oops! That's embarrasing. How'd I forget the 'wouldn't'?

edited 13th Oct '11 6:54:19 PM by ChaoticNovelist

Although Chaotic Novelist raises an interesting point; some things refer directly to the trope and don't belong in other categories. Perhaps those should be kept. (Or alternatively, a new category made for them?)

EDITED IN: Also, this seems to be 2 tropes rather than one; there's the specific character type of someone who acts all confrontational, but has poorly-hidden affectionate feelings towards someone, etc... and then there's the overall "runs hot and hold" character. Should this be split?

edited 13th Oct '11 8:42:29 AM by HiddenFacedMatt

When we're at it - why it has so many alternate names? Punchy Love; Oranyan; Hot And Cold; Bitter Sweet Heart; Affectionate Spitfire; Mood Swinging Sweetheart - considering some people are against the use of Tsundere name, why we won't rename it as one of those?

It's one of the 10 top keywords leading to our site from search engines. Number 9, to be exact.

And it's the second site driving the most traffic for Tsundere.

Renaming it will affect our rank.

Now, let's get back on-topic. Examples like Tsundere Cafes could stay, but some of the others probably should go.

edited 13th Oct '11 3:55:25 PM by chihuahua0

Plus, pre-existing term in wide use and all that. Most of the others are ones we made up, and even the ones we didn't (like Punchy Love) no one uses.

The reason it has so many redirects is because Fast Eddie said that if we can't rename it, we ought to at least have some redirects for searching. Crappy ones like Punchy Love are still around because no one put them on the cutlist. Or something. Either way, they don't really matter.

There's already candy on the Other subpage, so we can go ahead and move the good examples over there.

Huh, I looked and didn't see that one. Anyway, seems like that seems best. The examples I think should be moved over are:

• There are some things that man was never meant to know.
• Recently, Tsundere Cafes have been opening in the Otakuland of Akihabara. Similar to Meido Cafes, the waitresses there are young attractive women, each acting tsundere-ish towards their patrons: very rude and impatient at the beginning ("Here, sit." "Am I supposed to wait for you, or what?" "Have you decided on your order yet?!") but getting increasingly more apologetic and dere when they are about to leave ("I'm sorry I said all those things to you... you will come again, won't you?..."). Witness reports say that this change is irresistible. The waitresses apparently enjoy their jobs immensely, too, but, heck, getting paid for being rude to customers? A dream job.
  • This is sort of the gimmick of the American restaurant Ed Debevicks, where both male and female waitstaff are deliberately rude to customers.
  • Dick's Last Resort in San Diego does the same thing, among other things hanging the ties of patrons on the walls is part of the schtick and it's a highly recommended spot to go to not just for the food.
  • The restaurant Durgin Park (motto: "Established before you were born") in Boston is well known for their "sharp tongued" waitstaff, but they're more the "cranky aunty" types than regular Tsundere. It's well known in Boston just for the experience.
• From The Other Wiki: Toy manufacturer Tomy Co. has come up with the world's first "tsundere" portable television set, which gives audio guidance with a harsh voice that gradually becomes kinder as the user gets used to the set.
• Tsundere cookies!

Did I miss any?

Also, I think we should put this one on the analysis page, like how we used to work that kind of thing into the description. Any thoughts?

• This concept goes along with the idea that little boys who pick on little girls really have crushes on them...and in some cases, this is actually true. It is, of course, hard for the little girls in question to tell the difference between the genuine bullies and the emotionally immature admirers, though. (and of course, the same can happen with reversed genders, though the proverbial situation is usually a boy pulling a girl's pigtails or —at least in the old days— dipping her pigtails in an inkwell.)

Sounds like a good idea on both counts.

Agreed.

(BTW my dream would be to go to a Tsundere Cafe someday . [1])

edited 13th Oct '11 7:16:51 PM by Raso

That's not fleshed out enough to be a full analysis entry, I'd say.

Well, I moved the valid examples to the Other page and cutlisted the real life section. If someone wants to rewrite that thing about kids picking on each other to show affection in a way that fits better in analysis.

I think we're done, but we can wait for the cutmaster to make the decision.

EDIT: Fair enough (I thought the '11 on the crowner was the day, not the year).

edited 13th Oct '11 9:27:40 PM by Discar

The crowner's only been up for two days. I say we should give it another day before we call it.

I voted up yes, as merely labeling people that have mood swings in real life this feels too generic and not really making sense, as its not the only trait they probably have that causes mood swings.

I voted yes, but I'd like to qualify that by saying that we should keep the handful of examples that work (e.g. Tsundere cafes) and purge 90% of the rest of this.

People in real life are rarely so simple as a Tsundere, and most of the named examples are absolutely terrible, to the point where I wonder how many people actually get that the trope is about more than people who swing between any positive and any negative mood.