Marvel Cinematic Universe

The next Batman movie should have him adopt an entire orphanage and then teach them to fight

That’s what people like about Batman, right? His serial adopting?

I wonder if Marvel will take the same approach for the Fantastic Four. They did have two origin stories in the last two decades after all.

Yeah, I doubt we're going to learn the exact details of Peter's origins.

The thinking behind was probably because we already had two movies dedicated to telling his origin within a decade of each other, and everybody knows it already. One of the biggest complaints about The Amazing Spider-Man was that it retreaded a lot of the same ground as the first Raimi film. The MCU probably wanted to avoid that and since Peter was only a supporting character in Civil War, it made sense to skip over that part of his character.

With Homecoming, they probably could've afforded a few nods towards Peter's backstory with Uncle Ben. It probably wouldn't have been necessary, but you could mention how Peter and May are still struggling after his death. No need to go too in-depth, maybe a single conversation between the two would do.

Yosh. Batman is the patron saint of brightly colored child soldiers and the next Batman film should embrace that.

Batman descending on a crime den with his cape open while a kaleidoscopic rainbow of costumed 12-year-olds with foam bats and nerf guns rappel down to deliver doom upon the mafia. Make that happen, DC.

I thought homecoming did have some breadcrumbs about Ben without saying it outright

Civil War too I think

That sounds amazing

Edited by Bocaj on Jan 15th 2020 at 12:07:23 PM

All of the Marvel Spider-Man films have alluded to his backstory without explicitly showing it, even Far From Home. You know, like they're being written competently or something.

Almost as if the people who made the movie are confident that the audience doesn't need to be spoon-fed the origin story that they and their grandparents know by heart...

Peter Parker and T'Challa were just about my favorite parts of Civil War, which I'm otherwise not as jazzed about as a lot of others (but still like fine enough).

Civil War is actually one of those movies where you could easily see both sides of the argument, because those arguments are ones we are still making today. That, I think, is what also makes it hard to argue about because people become passionate about their side. Or perhaps that's just fandom.

I do wonder exactly how much about Spiderman the average movie goer knows. And by average movie goer, I mean not necessarily someone who would watch superhero movies or even knows anything about comic books, which if what the MCU had been able to attract to some extent.

There is a wide margin between watching Martha Wayne collapse in slow motion and having Peter Parker appear out of nowhere with a single aunt and spider powers with no explanation.

I imagine

1) They know he was bitten by a radioactive spider

2) They can quote "With great power comes great responsibility

3)They know what Spider sense is and expect him to constantly use it

Spider-Man is on the top 3 most famous superheroes, along with Batman and Superman.

People know who he is.

I think at this point Superman, Batman and Spider-Man's origin stories are basically known by everyone. If not, google is a thing, for all the people living under a rock.

If you walk into a MCU Phase 3 film having never read a comic book, seen a comic book movie, or heard of any of the characters, you are going to be confused, but I also wonder what kind of alien you are.

Edited by Fighteer on Jan 15th 2020 at 12:46:08 PM

To be fair, children exist. A future fan of something is born every day, and every MCU movie is somebody's first MCU movie.

But for real, characters like Spider-Man and Batman are so media exposed that even if Spider-Man: Homecoming is legit your first-ever exposure to the character of Spider-Man, the film still gives you a lot to work with in your understanding of the character even without an origin story.

And if you really need an origin story, there are approximately fifty million Spider-Man adaptations on the market you can seek out. Also, like, you probably have parents?

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jan 15th 2020 at 10:53:54 AM

spider girl when?

Peter is still in high school

Give him a couple years, geez

cries in Batman

Well it’s not like he can’t become a father at this age.

Teenage pregnancy is a big concern.

Spider-Girl never. After witnessing Tobey Maguire's performance, Spider-Man sold his marriage to the devil in a pact to always remain a teenager in Spider-Man products forevermore.

Mephisto taunted Spidey with the image of a little girl that would never exist because of this decision. Contrary to popular belief, this little girl was not Mayday Parker from the MC2 continuity. She was, however, holding MC2's film rights when she faded out of existence forever.

Isn't this a bit of Fan Myopia?

The success of the MCU films mean that there are a lot of people with little to no knowledge of comic books who went to see these movies. And their success also means that Marvel managed to avoid abusing of the All There in the Manual.

For instance, I wonder if Spiderman's origin story will be just as known in ten or twenty years.

Edited by C105 on Jan 15th 2020 at 6:57:36 PM

Spider-Man will always be getting tv shows, games and everything, so his origin will keep getting shown again and again.

Edited by Blueace on Jan 15th 2020 at 3:02:08 PM

Spider-Man has been one of the most popular superheroes since waaaaay before the MCU was a glint in Kevin Feige's eyes, who also hadn't been born yet.

Spider-Man, Batman and Superman are so ubiquitous that even if you have never cracked open a comic book in your life, you still at least have an idea of what their deal is.

Edited by Nightwire on Jan 15th 2020 at 10:03:03 AM

Regaring the airport battle, yeah, Bucky did throw that giant whatever thing at or slightly above Peter's head, and I intentionally undersold that because it and Scott throwing the "water truck" were the notable exceptions to Team Cap's pulling their punches. Hell, at most points, Clint and Sam were literally shooting around Team Stank.

One thing that got to me about Civil War was that Peter's stated reason for being a hero is almost identical to the argument Steve and Sam were proposing at the start. And Tony knew this, and lied to Peter, by buttering him up, blackmailing him, and telling him the whole "Cap thinks he's right" thing.