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Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! I'm editing this OP and pinning it to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

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[Edited by Fighteer]

    Original post 
Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM

TobiasDrake Queen of Good Things, Honest (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
Queen of Good Things, Honest
#111676: Oct 21st 2019 at 10:18:29 PM

I'd actually peg The Dark Knight as the film that kicked off the superhero renaissance. That was the moment when people outside the comic book crowd really sat up and took notice of the genre. The Spider-Man and X-Men films were considered "good superhero movies" and Iron Man was hailed as an "amazing superhero movie", but The Dark Knight was the first time a superhero film was declared to simply be a "good movie".

In its day, The Dark Knight was hailed as being the film that proved that superhero films could be a legitimate art form and not just mindless popcorn drivel to take your kid to. It wouldn't really be until Winter Soldier that the MCU broke through that ceiling, while Fox and Sony's licensed films still haven't to this day.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 21st 2019 at 11:19:54 AM

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#111677: Oct 21st 2019 at 10:39:14 PM

[up] Logan would beg to differ.

Edited by Forenperser on Oct 21st 2019 at 7:39:50 PM

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I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#111678: Oct 21st 2019 at 10:41:10 PM

Yeah, Logan is easily the best Fox-Men film by a mile, and I also think it's better than The Dark Knight.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#111679: Oct 21st 2019 at 10:43:30 PM

Shame Apocalypse & Dark Phoenix slapped the franchise back into mediocrity.

Still pissed that that Mister Sinister stinger never amounted to anything.

Ya know the guy who directed DP also had a heavy hand in The Last Stand? He saw DP as his chance to finally do things the way he always wanted to do. Well I hope he's happy with the results. tongue

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 21st 2019 at 10:46:59 AM

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TobiasDrake Queen of Good Things, Honest (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
Queen of Good Things, Honest
#111680: Oct 22nd 2019 at 7:18:52 AM

Logan would beg to differ.

I stand corrected.

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TargetmasterJoe Since: May, 2013
#111681: Oct 22nd 2019 at 8:04:31 AM

I really hope Kate Bishop in the Hawkeye show gets a cool outfit like MCU Clint's so the comics can finally kill the hipholes abomination they keep shoving her in.

I've always wondered what's the deal with her hipholes. Seems like she's leaving a vital part of herself wide open. I'm reminded of that exchange between Judge Dredd and Anderson in Dredd regarding helmets and psychic powers:

Judge Dredd: I'm wondering when you'd remember you left your helmet behind.
Anderson: Sir, a helmet can interfere with my psychic abilities.
Judge Dredd: Think a bullet might interfere with them more.

Except here, it's hipholes and whatever can anyone could feasibly throw at a hip to hamper the owner of the hip.

Apparently the primary reason she wears that is to get out of stuffing stuff into her outfit so she can make Clint do it.

That said, if you can find a source on that, I will be more than happy to accept hipholes as canon. [lol]

On the subject of Kate, assuming we get some adaptation of Hawkeye vs. Deadpool, I'm hoping we see something like this.

Obviously, stabbings of the the heart would be a no-no, so maybe like a leg or something.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#111682: Oct 22nd 2019 at 8:13:09 AM

It was from West Coast Avengers

And I don’t think having fabric over her hips one way or another significantly impacts her safety. It’s not Kevlar

Edit: BAM. Links.

It is a mystery.
Mystery solved.

Edited by Bocaj on Oct 22nd 2019 at 11:34:37 AM

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#111683: Oct 22nd 2019 at 8:43:50 AM

If they do anything from Hawkeye vs Deadpool, then they have to do this bit, which is brilliant.

Edited by alliterator on Oct 22nd 2019 at 8:44:06 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#111684: Oct 22nd 2019 at 8:46:13 AM

Pfft

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from Second Star to the left (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Disasturbator
#111685: Oct 22nd 2019 at 8:47:19 AM

Not so funny now are you Deadpool

New theme music also a box
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#111686: Oct 22nd 2019 at 9:10:05 AM

He's sad he missed out on the perfect costume for Halloween.

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TargetmasterJoe Since: May, 2013
#111687: Oct 22nd 2019 at 9:23:03 AM

If they do anything from Hawkeye vs Deadpool, then they have to do this bit, which is brilliant.

Oh my god yes, they MUST have that bit.

Mizerous Takat Empress from Outworld Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Takat Empress
#111688: Oct 22nd 2019 at 10:58:54 AM

I heard that Loeb is done with Marvel TV from Variety.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#111689: Oct 22nd 2019 at 10:59:59 AM

Issues of quality aside, I don't get why the Foxmen movies get accused of being "ashamed to be comic book movies" while no one holds it against the MCU that Hawkeye isn't dressed like a court jester or that Falcon isn't dressed in red and white (to say nothing of them changing Redwing from a bird Sam could telepathically communicate with to an attack drone).

Because they overwhelmingly do try go for some semblance of comic-accurate designs in most of the films. Examples like Falcon and Hawkeye are the exception rather than the rule (and even then those two looks do come from the comics: Ultimate Marvel specifically).

You can't compare that with the Fox films, where they resisted putting people in costumes as much as possible. They basically had to have their arms twisted into actually doing a Deadpool movie with the red tights and mask. I don't blame them for that; btw. In a historical context, they were coming off the monumental failure of Batman and Robin, which started an overall backlash against "campy" superhero movies. So the desire to put everyone in black leather instead of colorful spandex that might get derided as goofy seemed like a logical choice at the time. I don't begrudge that.

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#111690: Oct 22nd 2019 at 11:23:22 AM

I honestly think it's funny that Fox was so hesitant on doing a Deadpool film for so long. Apparently Ryan Reynolds had to beg and plead and twist Fox's arm for over a decade and then release test footage before giving they went and gave him a shoestring budget movie.

And then it turned out to be a smash hit.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Oct 22nd 2019 at 2:26:00 PM

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Mizerous Takat Empress from Outworld Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Takat Empress
#111692: Oct 22nd 2019 at 11:42:02 AM

[up][up] You can thank Rothman for the delays

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#111693: Oct 22nd 2019 at 12:12:02 PM

Honestly though, I never had any issue with the X-Men movie costumes.

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Andrei_Bondoc Since: Jan, 2019
#111694: Oct 22nd 2019 at 12:15:28 PM

Speaking of Francis Ford Coppola of not liking the Marvel Cinematic Universe, he actually liked Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse.

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Weirdguy149 The King Without a Kingdom from Lumiose City under development Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
The King Without a Kingdom
#111695: Oct 22nd 2019 at 12:28:25 PM

Okay, so you guys know what's crazy? Toby Jones, AKA Arnim Zola, was also freakin' Dobby. That honestly blows my mind.

It's been 3000 years…
fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#111696: Oct 22nd 2019 at 12:30:34 PM

"Captain has given me to Stark. Captain has freed me!"

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TargetmasterJoe Since: May, 2013
#111697: Oct 22nd 2019 at 12:31:33 PM

[up][up] I literally did not know that until now.

That IS mind blowing.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Oct 22nd 2019 at 3:33:14 PM

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#111698: Oct 22nd 2019 at 1:35:21 PM

Speaking of costumes, I remember that when Trish Walker was trying on costumes to fight crime, the classic costume appears, but seeing how ridiculous it looks, she decides to discard it.

And to be fair, the costume was quite ugly. (Beyond how sexy he looked while wearing it)

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Oct 22nd 2019 at 1:41:10 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#111699: Oct 22nd 2019 at 2:38:59 PM

....Man. Doby sure went full death eater didn't he?

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TargetmasterJoe Since: May, 2013
#111700: Oct 22nd 2019 at 3:49:27 PM

We all figured it was coming when Feige became CCO of all Marvel, even if it was never official.

But it's done.

It was...inevitable.

Jeph Loeb has exited Marvel TV.

[up] It's "Dobby."

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Oct 22nd 2019 at 6:53:10 AM


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