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[Edited by Fighteer]
Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM
Funny but not helpful
At this point just ignore them
Forever liveblogging the Avengers
In the immortal words of fellow New Hollywood legend John Carpenter:
"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Coppola is one of the greatest filmmakers of all time.
He’s also 80. And he directed Jack.
“Old man yells at cloud.”
Edited by Beatman1 on Oct 20th 2019 at 12:18:39 PM
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
Him saying that not all the Marvel movies will go down as classics makes me wonder which ones will.
I’m inclined to say Winter Soldier, Ragnarok and Black Panther af the very least. Perhaps the first Avengers as well, and at least one of the new Spider-Mans (though Into the Spider-Verse probably trumps them both). Other than that, I couldn’t say.
Oh God! Natural light!
Surrounded by weirdoes
Wait another decade or so. Time is the judge.
Wake me up at your own risk.
Ordinary Corrupt Android Love
The Guardians movies and Black Panther are my own picks for stand-out classics that I could recommend to non-MCU fans, personally. And of course Into the Spider-Verse and Logan if you're extending it to beyond the MCU.
Anyway, yet another one on the pile of famous movie people dunking on the MCU, even if they're allowed their own opinion. And once again it doesn't affect my enjoyment of them in any real way.
Edited by AyyItsMidnight on Oct 20th 2019 at 1:11:42 AM
Self-serious autistic metalhead who goes by any pronouns. (avvie template source)
Avengers is going to be remembered but it seems to already suffer from some degree of Seinfeld Is Unfunny in certain circles. I admit that this might be myopic and based on just people I know, but in general the big reason why Avengers was such a pop culture phenomenon was that a shared universe culminating in a big crossover film that was at least decent and somewhat satisfying had never been done before.
It's been over a decade and now that notion isn't really special anymore because everyone and their mother is trying to do a shared universe. Marvel themselves have made more crossover films that were much more grandiose and overall had better writing and characterization.
I personally didn't like the film at all when it came out but I admit that was my own bias at the time. I didn't really like the other MCU films past the first Iron Man and found them rather mediocre, which exposed what I saw as the fundamental flaw of the film: if you weren't really excited by the concept of the teamup, then the film doesn't really work because it has little to offer beyond that in terms of substance or thematic depth. And I didn't see a reason to be invested in the characters because the films they were in were mediocre and didn't provide a good reason for me to care about them.
Now in retrospect I view it somewhat more favorably but only because of the third act, really. For the rest I view it as just "ok".
Edited by Draghinazzo on Oct 20th 2019 at 4:17:58 AM
Foreign Troper
Yeah, the first Avengers certainly didn't age well.
Edited by Forenperser on Oct 20th 2019 at 10:22:39 AM
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Yeah, is kinda like spiderman of sam reimi it matter more for what it implicated(that specialy efect manage to recreate stuff from the comics, allow for first time to actually making a enjoyable comic movie)that the movie itself.
In this case, avenger mark the idea that MCU is not just some lousy movies that just skinda sort of happen in the same universe but a shared universe.
In fact and let face it, the MCU is more worth by the sum of is part than individually.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Foreign Troper
Eh, I still like the Raimi Movies.
Spider-Man 1 was a little corny, but Spider-Man 2 is still one of the best comic book movies ever or me, it aged extremely well.
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% ScandinavianI'd say the first Iron Man, Guardians of the Galaxy, Infinity War, Winter Soldier and Black Panther will make their mark in the future. Ragnarok and Avengers, too, possibly, but I find them more of a cypher as far as legacy goes.
Other superhero films aside from the MCU from "the boom era" (i.e since IM 1) that I feel will have an impact in cinematographic studies (for good or for ill) in the future will be Fox's Deadpool and Logan, DC's Wonder Woman and M. Night Shyamalan's Glass Trilogy (Split and Glass being the ones released during the "boom" of the last ten years) and Josh Trank's Chronicle.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Ordinary Corrupt Android Love
Even back then I gravitated more towards Guardians 1 than Avengers, which was certainly a commendable achievement for its time that simply hasn't held up too well in the wake of time passing and later installments to the franchise and genre as a whole going on to be bigger and better.
Self-serious autistic metalhead who goes by any pronouns. (avvie template source)
Takat Empress
I mean if Superheroes weren't popular and didn't get this much love by movie goers some other genre would be getting attacked.
Mileena Madness
I think Guardians 2 is a better movie than 1, personally.
Gaon:I think another subject worthy of study, even if a little bit is the "Phase 0" that is from spiderman of sam raimi to maybe Nolan batman that is "superhero without a superhero world" so to speak and the evolution that allow the shared universe.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Foreign Troper
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Dito.
Funnier, crazier, more action, more emotions.
Edited by Forenperser on Oct 20th 2019 at 10:36:12 AM
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Ordinary Corrupt Android Love
Oh yeah, it absolutely is.
In other news, here's a good meme. Satire of course.
Edited by AyyItsMidnight on Oct 20th 2019 at 1:38:48 AM
Self-serious autistic metalhead who goes by any pronouns. (avvie template source)
Yeah, guardian 2 have almost all the action in one place(ego) making easier to add chararterization while Guardian 1 plot is to action focus and the guardian are bare bones then.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Avengers 1 still holds up pretty well for me and I like it the most out of all the Avengers movies. unless you count Civil War as one. 
I personally would, and I think it's much better than Avengers 1.
Foreign Troper
Yeah, Civil War is splendid, much better than the comic its based on.
And I don't even like Cap.
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Ordinary Corrupt Android Love
It was a better Avengers movie than the first two Avengers movies.
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Takat Empress
I do wonder how other people view Marvel. I know people in Hollywood hate them and some sites like 4chan or some parts of You Tube calling everyone who likes or worked on them very nasty words to say the least. If nothing else the question of if these movies can be considered as art has me intrigued about what this could mean for the future. Edit: Is it possible this negativity could result in a downward projection of profit?
Edited by Mizerous on Oct 20th 2019 at 5:34:00 AM
Mileena Madness
The No True Scotsman part is what bothers me. Not liking movies is fine, but they're still movies or "cinema". It's like saying The Room isn't a real movie because it's ass. It doesn't make any sense.