Marvel Cinematic Universe

All I’m saying is it worked for me. I’ll take it over something like Bayformers with laborious story but impeccable CGI of stuff punching other stuff. It’s not the first thing I’ve liked that clearly ran out of money at the last minute.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Feb 11th 2019 at 1:00:21 AM

The weakness of Black Panther is that the mandatory third-act battle is really out of tone with the rest of the film. The dispute between T'challa and Killmonger could easily have been resolved without it. But it's a Marvel film, so you need a big battle scene. /shrug

While overwrought due to typical blockbuster expectations I thought it nevertheless made some thematic sense with the idea of it being what sparks a civil war and being an opportunity to provide M'Baku and the Jabari with a Crowning Moment Of Awesome, as well as the symbolic validation Nakia got in donning the Dora Milaje armor.

Edited by AlleyOop on Feb 11th 2019 at 3:28:51 PM

It's not really the third act which bothers me...or, to be precise, not specifically the third act. It is more that all through the movie the pacing is slightly off and there are things I would have tweaked about it throughout.

But hey, it works for a lot of people.

I just don't think that this is the kind of movie which deserves a special effects award. Plus, the Bafta snubbed the movie in every single other category, except this one. It felt a little bit like "eh, we haven't vote for that one yet, so Special Effects, that sounds right for a Superhero movie".

"t. But it's a Marvel film, so you need a big battle scene. /shrug"

To be fair is a typical comic book issue, people EXPECT a huge battle so...you give them one.

Look Wonder woman, same problemas as Black panther.

Not really. Both a movies where the big battle actually fit the story pretty well, it is the execution which didn't really work.

Ironman is a better example for a battle which is there just because.

> On topic: I don't believe it. I literally don't believe that they will make a show starring MODOK. I won't believe it even if it gets a trailer. I won't believe it if it gets released. I will think it's all one big sick joke, even if the show gets rave reviews and is renewed for a second season. It's simply not happening. They will not make a show starring MODOK, they just simply won't.

I think the number of shows they have listed are ambiguous,I expect at least one or two will make to air the rest might as well be pipe dream

I didn’t find the climactic battle of Black Panther forced because the burning of the herb garden made it clear Killmonger would not allow a peaceful transition of power. To me, the battle in Infinity War of Wakanda vs the Outriders army felt much more like an obligatory climax, as it’s clear from the first 5 minutes of the movie that it’s just stalling through interchangeable mooks until Thanos will teleport into Wakanda and plow through everybody.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Feb 11th 2019 at 1:09:07 AM

Completely agree. I do wish we’d gotten a little more reason for the Border Tribe to backup W’Kabi’s jerk self and do a tiny civil war, but it worked overall.

> I mean, it's four shows. Four animated shows aren't really that ambitious and I definitely wouldn't call them a "pipe dream." Marvel was able to make four live-action shows and that was much harder than animation.

Until I actually see a trailer I'll remain sceptical as they sound like great ideas on paper with potential,and it really doesn't matter if they're live action or animated to make these ideas a reality will require a lot of work,as disappointing as it sounds I think the one most likely to actually happen is the "Howard the Duck" show

What did they have to leave out, I’d like to see it come up in the sequel.

And we got a first look at their designs.

Don't like the MODOK one, but otherwise they look pretty good, and Hit-Monkey is pitch-perfect.

MODOK and Howard look alright to me. Tigra, I’m used to her looking more muscular and not so slim but eh. :p

Somehow, I missed the part where they're adult animated series. I'm now looking forward to them a bit more, just because the content in the summaries seemed more suited to an adult audience. Looking forward to the Howard the Duck and Hitmonkey shows, still willfully in denial about the MODOK one.

I'm curious what the Dazzler and Tigra show summary means by "woke". I feel like there's a lot of directions that could be taken in, whether it's making fun of "SJ Ws" or actually talking about social issues. Also whether it'll be handled well, since I've never seen anyone in real life unironically use the term "woke" and I kind of associate it with old people unfamiliar with social justice trying to figure out the lingo and be hip with the kids.

Black Panther's overall direction was lacking in many respects, but I think Coogler's influence is most felt in the story rather than the acting, staging or special effects (a casual look at his wikipedia page shows that he does work with inner city kids in the Oakland/San Francisco area). T'Challa two visits to the ancestral plane had some really bad "medium shot, green screen" effects, and especially his second visit you can tell Boseman is really struggling to sell the moment. Killmonger's visit, being a physical set with green screen backdrop, suffers from the same issue, as well as T'Challa's conversation with M'Baku in the mountains.

The main problem with the climax is not so much the idea the problem could be resolved peacefully, but that there was a lack of consequence to militant infighting. You have to assume someone died (especially with the vehicles that were shot down) but it was an absurdly bloodless civil war, there are literally no bodies on the ground when it's over. Even the "witness the MIGHT of the Jibari" moment consisted of sneaking up behind the river tribe and picking them up from the back of the neck. That moment should have been at least mildly comparable to Rohan coming to Gondor's defense (just with a couple dozen people rather than thousands), but just wasn't. A genuine body count was needed to sell the story, but they decided to end with a "villain defeated, everything is okay now" ending.

Edited by KJMackley on Feb 11th 2019 at 2:50:03 AM

I just want the MCU to move away from its "hero vs army" fixation with its big movies.

There are all sorts of ways to fill that big fight itch. Like, instead of a horde of paper mooks, a small team of powerful individuals - so each hero still gets that long, uphill fight that can fill a climax. It's not like the Marvel Universe is hurting for any number of villain groups that would work.

Hell, Infinity War contrasts its less-interesting (but still kind of cool at moments, like Thor's arrival) "group of heroes vs weak army fight" with a far more interesting "group of heroes vs a singular powerful enemy" fight, and that fight at least was fantastic.

In fact, in it's more personal fights Infinity War did a lot of things I wish the MCU would have been willing to do earlier, like have several characters with very different and creative powersets fight against each other like in the fight against Ebony Maw.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 11th 2019 at 3:09:14 AM

We kind of got that with the Black Order.

I feel like they have battles scenes because the budget permits it,plus it means a huge amount of action,and action,fighting and drama are what draws people in

Add explosions too

Wait honest question, is it even possible to do MODOK seriously?

Like the concept seems genuinely foreign to me.

Did we, though? Every member of the Black Order besides Ebony Maw is practically an Elite Mook with very little to add to a conflict.

Maw is the only one who brings anything to the table conflict wise.

The comics have been doing it for about fifty years, so... yeah, probably.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 11th 2019 at 3:14:41 AM

Cull Obsidian's fights were awesome. Corvus Glaive and Proxima Midnight were a bit more mundane in terms of powers, but the actual fights they got were great, too.

I recall The Unbelievable Gwenpool quickly established MODOK very seriously, by having Gwenpool mock him on sight as ridiculous, only for MODOK to immediately murder her sidekick / Morality Pet.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Feb 11th 2019 at 3:18:10 AM

To each his own, I guess. I mainly remember Cull Obsidion being little but the big strong guy, literally getting knocked aside in favor of Maw in New York, and having a boxing match with the Hulkbuster that only got a small amount of screen time.

Cull did quite a bit in New York fighting against Spider-Man and Iron Man, and his boxing match with the Hulkbuster was great, it ended with Cull getting ground to bits against Wakanda's forcefield using a rocket fist!