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The ptolemaics were mostly apathetic to the egyptians and there culture as a whole so...no its not a good idea.

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At the very least, cast a Jewish actor.

Maybe even someone from the Middle East.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

On the other hand considering the nature of Marvel, saying "No, this guy dosent seen a egyptian god, is just crazy" come as....."really?"

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

And do I have bring up Thor and Bast. The latter who pretty much can't be denied that he exists and the former is walking around New York

Just because Bast would exist doesn't mean Moon Knight really is talking to Egyptian gods.

Let's say I said I was friends with Will Smith. Will Smith is a person that actually exists but that doesn't prove I am actually friends with him.

Even in a fantasy universe, seeing is believing.

Edited by windleopard on Dec 14th 2018 at 6:44:26 AM

I'd like to see a multiracial character, raised Jewish but coming to grips with other aspects of his heritage, possibly Egyptian Arabic and Muslim, but also black, white, and American — someone who can't be easily sorted using that as yardstick. That might not be a huge part of Moon Knight now, but given that the character is all about taking on other identities, wrestling with mental illness, I think there's a pretty powerful metaphor there. Khonshu is just one more voice from the past, pulling Marc Spector in yet another direction.

I'd like it established, to the audience at least and maybe at least one Secret-Keeper for the character, that Khonshu is in fact real, even if others wonder. But just because he's a god doesn't mean he's any more of an authority on mental illness than anyone else, so the real source of Moon Knight's strength is still Moon Knight himself.

For a little bit historic background: The Ptolemaic dynasty was the result of Alexander the Greats attempt to rule the world. Basically one of his generals took over Egypt and reigned there after Alexander died pretty young. And then the family proceeded to marry among itself because they saw themselves above the people they reigned over. You know, being cultivated Greeks/Macedonians and all. Cleopatra was the last daughter of this dynasty unless you go all "well, the child of her and Cesar survived somehow" which opens the next can of worms.

So...yeah, bad idea. And I frankly don't think that a direct blood line is even necessary.

One of the reasons why I vote for a character with a mixed cultural heritage is because that would represent Egypt itself. I mean, this country has changed its main religion more often than any other. In a way it was one of the first leaning towards monotheism, before adopting Christianity for a period and nowadays Islam is the most predominant religion. Plus, Judaism has its own sad history with Egypt, a lot of it fairly recent. Moon Knight's parents could have been between those who were pushed out of Egypt.

But then I somehow doubt that they would delve that deep into religious conflict, so maybe it would be better not to touch it at all....

Edited by Swanpride on Dec 14th 2018 at 7:08:46 AM

So why do you guys actually want Moon Knight to enter the MCU? From what I'm reading it's not because of the actual character.

Personally, from what little I've read of the Moon Knight, he's a great character, similar enough to Batman to fill the same niche, while being distinct enough that he's able to stand on his own.

Plus he's Crazy Awesome incarnate, and pretty much the only worthwhile thing from the Shadowland crossover.

Besides, with Daredevil cancelled and The Punisher ruined, we need another gritty, street-level Anti-Hero to fill the gap.

Edited by HailMuffins on Dec 14th 2018 at 12:40:17 PM

"Actual character" is relative. I am mostly looking for interesting concepts and new angles.

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Edited by Drakon69 on Dec 14th 2018 at 6:29:40 PM

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That's firmly inside Fanon Discontinuity for me, and no one will ever convince me otherwise.

I don't see what would be so impossible about making Moon Knight a Jewish Egyptian-American person. There are still Jews in Egypt to this day (even if their population is rapidly dwindling), after all.

I'm not too sure what gives you that impression.

Edited by Gaon on Dec 14th 2018 at 8:51:05 AM

"All you Fascists bound to lose."

For me, it is because of his actual character, but his race has nothing to do with his character. The things that made him important are the fact that he's a former mercenary, that he has Dissociative Identity Disorder, and that his family was Orthodox Jewish. (Marc himself isn't, but he grew up in an Orthodox household.)

Yeah, and as long as all that is preserved, anything added can make for a better story.

It can also make for a worse story, of course, which is statistically far more likely, but there you have it.

@Very Melon Well honestly I don't really want him to join the MCU. There are a great many characters who would be far more interesting, imO.

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Nah he’s way interesting.

He’s so totally off his rocker so it be interesting to have a hero who’s outright confirmed to have tremendous mental illnesses.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

Speaking as someone with a neurodisability, I have significant doubts of a superhero series to handle mental illnesses respectfully, what with most Big Two comics’ history. Or film in general. :/

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Dec 14th 2018 at 2:02:46 AM

By that token, Marvel shouldn't do a series with female or minority leads because they have a history of treating them disrespectfully.

I fail to see how the answer to that problem is to never depict mental illness at all.

If they do it badly, slam it with bad reviews, and so on until someone gets it right.

Edited by HailMuffins on Dec 14th 2018 at 8:15:36 AM

I didn’t say never do it. I simply said I have my doubts that they are able to pull it off with respect as of current.

If they hire more writers with experience at truthfully portraying mental disability, in comics and in film, my confidence will significantly increase.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Dec 14th 2018 at 3:30:32 AM

Speaking of which, if a hypothetical Moon Knight show was to be made, what are the writers in the TV biz with a history of writing about mental illness that Marvel could hire?

Or are there just none?

You should definitely watch Iron Fist Season 2 then. They used Typhoid Mary and her DID very realistically and respectfully. It's actually one of the things that makes me think Marvel can do a Moon Knight show.

The showrunner for Iron Fist Season 2, by the way, was M. Raven Metzner.

Edited by alliterator on Dec 14th 2018 at 3:59:51 AM

After watching Spider-Verse I find it funny that Kingpin is back to being a movie villain again.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

I didn't watch the 2nd season of Jessica Jones, how much justice the show did on the subject?

Raphael Bob-Waksberg, creator of the popular Bojack Horseman show, has ADHD. Best one I can think of.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."