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[Edited by Fighteer]

    Original post 
Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#90826: Nov 8th 2018 at 4:25:59 PM

Kid Loki that also leads up to Young Avengers would be a great idea.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#90827: Nov 8th 2018 at 4:30:15 PM

This is why I want Kid Loki — he doesn't invalidate the original Loki's death. Sure, he's Loki, but he's a different Loki.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#90828: Nov 8th 2018 at 4:31:56 PM

There are plenty of ways to keep Loki around without bringing him back to life.

Personally, I think he'll hang around as an illusion that haunts Thor before transitioning into Kid Loki.

Edited by LordVatek on Nov 8th 2018 at 7:32:20 AM

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#90829: Nov 8th 2018 at 4:46:31 PM

Count me in as wanting kid Loki. But I also take adult Loki to fill some of the blanks.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#90830: Nov 8th 2018 at 8:33:38 PM

Whether in Avengers 4 or later, I want Thor to go on a straight-up voyage to the Norse afterlife, so Loki, Hela, and any other dead Asgardians they can wrangle up can appear.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#90831: Nov 8th 2018 at 9:23:55 PM

That's kind of a problem, because they haven't really established a Norse afterlife and Hela being the "Goddess of Death" was more about her being really good at killing, rather than ruling over the dead.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#90833: Nov 9th 2018 at 11:54:25 AM

I know a guy who suspects that Avenger's 4 won't utilize time travel, but be an adaptation of the most recent version of Secret Wars.

What we'll be looking is other universes based on specific moments from the MCU not unlike the Battleworld of the 2015 secret wars.

So Secret Wars will probably be the title of the fourth movie. I admit, it could work. Plus with the Fox deal still playing out and the Xmen and Fantastic Four needing to be integrated somehow, Cosmic Retcon and alt universes seem like the most logical way to pull it off.

Any thoughts on this.

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#90834: Nov 9th 2018 at 11:58:09 AM

[up]How would it involve Thanos?

Edited by LordVatek on Nov 9th 2018 at 2:58:26 PM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#90835: Nov 9th 2018 at 12:06:49 PM

[up]Thanos would be ruling one of the worlds on Battleworld.

Note that it's been mentioned by Crossbone's actor that he's going to return in some capacity. If we have worlds based on different moments from across the MCU (like the battle of New York, the Battle of Sokovia, the fall of Shield) there's be room for him to return...along with a lot of other dead villains.

It could be a cameo I admit, but it's not impossible.

Edit: To be more precise, the place he's in at the end of Infinity War is his own section of Battle World.

Edit: He also brings up Vision and Ultron's final conversation. Namely how Ultron states they're all doomed. Now both of them came from the Mind Stone, and Vision did seem to understand on some level what Thanos was (enough to be afraid of him, or at least that the stone was warning him about Thanos).

Now, this one might be reading too much into things, but I'm gonna keep an open mind on it.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Nov 9th 2018 at 1:11:12 PM

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#90836: Nov 9th 2018 at 12:13:01 PM

I feel like right now the setting is too small for Secret Wars II. We’ve barely dipped a toe in the Multiverse.

Drakon69 The dragon archnerd from greece Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The dragon archnerd
#90837: Nov 9th 2018 at 2:36:17 PM

No no no thats a terrible idea in my book the mcu should not mess with the multiverse shenanigans.

Well at least not yet

Edited by Drakon69 on Nov 9th 2018 at 12:42:59 PM

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#90838: Nov 9th 2018 at 2:47:45 PM

I was thinking they'd lead into the multiverse shenanigans by first broaching the concept through time travel shenanigans. So not Secret Wars, not yet, but it would be a way of opening the setting up as they start phasing out the core Avengers.

Edited by Unsung on Nov 9th 2018 at 3:48:58 AM

TobiasDrake Queen of Good Things, Honest (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
Queen of Good Things, Honest
#90839: Nov 9th 2018 at 9:42:23 PM

The fun part of multiverse shenanigans is seeing a bunch of different takes on the same character.

I don't feel like that meshes well with either the "X number of movies" contracts or the actors aging out of their roles.

Like. You can write a cool multiverse story where Iron Man takes over the world and that's neat, but it doesn't change the fact that RDJ isn't available to star in your film.

Multiverse stories are the kind of plot that just work better in serial formats like television shows, cartoons, and comics. Mediums where trying to track down all the actors you want to showcase parallel versions of and getting them to the set isn't as much of a factor.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Nov 9th 2018 at 10:44:15 AM

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#90840: Nov 9th 2018 at 10:26:32 PM

I mean, you could just say "the butterfly effect caused a different sperm to create that character, so while they're the same person, they can be played by a different actor who just looks similar".

Drakon69 The dragon archnerd from greece Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The dragon archnerd
#90841: Nov 10th 2018 at 12:23:04 AM

I agree with Tobias Drake.

It just doesn't fit well with the movie format

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#90842: Nov 10th 2018 at 3:51:27 AM

Thankfully Spider-Verse is animated.

Huh would an animated film in the MCU work?

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#90843: Nov 10th 2018 at 4:00:40 AM

I wouldn't do it. I think it really helps to leave the animated stuff as their own thing.

But hey, now that Disney owns really all the Fox rights, they could create an animated multiverse which would include most of their TV shows...minus the Sony ones, naturally.

On the movie side, well, Ao S already kind of introduced the concept. I think they are testing the waters there. So I think it could work. But that is something which needs to get built up, just cramming it into the finale of phase 3 might be a little bit much.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#90844: Nov 10th 2018 at 5:34:25 AM

I'd be on-board for a Howard The Duck animated movie or even a Who Framed Roger Rabbit-esque mix of animation and live-action.

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Drakon69 The dragon archnerd from greece Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The dragon archnerd
#90845: Nov 10th 2018 at 5:40:36 AM

[up] i think howard's cameo in GOTG lowers significly the possibility of it happening sadly.

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Spinosegnosaurus77 Mweheheh from Ontario, Canada Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
Drakon69 The dragon archnerd from greece Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The dragon archnerd
#90847: Nov 10th 2018 at 8:35:27 AM

[up]That is realy sad i hope he and his family find a new home

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#90848: Nov 10th 2018 at 9:31:27 AM

On the movie side, well, Ao S already kind of introduced the concept.
Yeah, "kind of" being the operative term. AOS had an alternate universe...which was actually a computer simulation a la The Matrix. But then they had an actual dimensional breach...to a fear dimension that could manifest your worst fears. So no actual "multiple realities with different versions of characters" as of yet, but it would be interesting to see. It would also let them get around Coulson's death again.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#90849: Nov 10th 2018 at 11:57:33 AM

[up] I was actually referring to the multiverse theory which played a big role in season 5. And if it weren't correct, well, the actor of Deke still has a role next season, so there is that.

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#90850: Nov 10th 2018 at 6:35:18 PM

I wonder if the MCU will ever do a crossover with the X-Men movieverse. I want Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver to realize they are alternate dimension counterparts of each other's sibling, and they bond over each having lost their brother/sister, respectively.


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