Not really descriptive, rename: Rei Ayanami Expy

Shana and Char are pretty distinctive names. Rei is not. And there are good titles thought up that get the trope across unlike the other two.

Ayanami isn't that common though, is it?

True. I still don't see much reason to make it an expy title when there are decent alternatives. I accept it for Shana since there's nothing better and I can't do anything about Char, but why make more when we don't have to?

I don't have a problem with the name as it is.

Yes, it's become more of an archetype. We should probably see if we can push for the descriptive title being the main name for Shana Clone. If we do then definitely rename this.

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Ayanami Archetype sounds good.

(Geez, I suggested this page, never knew so much controversy would come out of it)

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Rei Ayanami is a lot better known than either Char or Shana, though. I mean, I realize Gundam was popular and influential on a scale similar to NGE, but it's also a lot older. It's fairly hard for me to imagine someone having enough familiarity with anime to recognize the trope but not having at least a vague familiarity with who Rei Ayanami is; I mean, I knew who she was years before I'd watched a single episode of the show. And I'm not particularly involved with Eva fandom or anything.

I'm not particularly arguing for the name, mind. I'm just saying I don't think it would be nearly as unclear as most similar character-named tropes would, including Char Clone. It would confuse people who are unfamiliar with anime, of course, but I don't know that they'll be looking up this trope very often.

(FWIW, I would vote for either Ayanami Archetype or Pale Haired Emotionless Girl; Kuudere is nowhere near as well-known a term outside of this wiki as tsundere is, and Rei Clone is definitely a bad idea in this particular case as the original Rei Ayanami has actual in-canon clones.)

edited 2nd Aug '11 3:05:35 PM by dangerwaffle

Oh lordie, another trope like this?

We should really avoid trope naming like this. Hell, I am against Char Clone but somehow people are adamant about it.

Well, isn't Rei the Trope Maker? After NGE, a lot of characters similar to her were created to cash in on her popularity. In the same way the Shana was the Trope Maker for TTT, thus it's getting renamed to Shana Clone?

I laugh in the face of suffering.

The way it was described feels like Same But More Specific.

The Same But More Specific does not include specific combinations of tropes that are played in a certain way that is more or less consistent across the various examples.

Both Rei and Shana are each at least the Trope Codifier for their respective Fountain of Expies subtrope; we do not have sufficient research data to determine whether they really are the Trope Makers for their respective character types.

edited 2nd Aug '11 9:40:40 PM by MarqFJA

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I like Ayanami Archetype as well, because it'll avoid the Emotionless Girl vs. Kuudere debate and it has Added Alliterative Appeal.

edited 16th Aug '11 9:09:53 PM by Lionheart0

I thought that we had a policy that strictly was against character-named tropes. And yet half the tropes mentioned in this thread are character-named with no problem seen by anyone (for the most part)?

Regarding an earlier post here…

You'd be surprised at the great many people who are unfamiliar with that character.

Likely or not, that's still a strike against it.

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Keep in mind, 0dd1, that this is a trope strictly restricted to the anime fandom. And, while it is still Fan Myopia, Ayanami Rei is an astonishingly popular character there.

Even so, as you said, it IS Fan Myopia still. Even so what about those other tropes, e.g. Char Clone? (Though I realize this may not be the right thread for that.)

edited 17th Aug '11 12:22:00 AM by 0dd1

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A character archetype usually gets created from copying the one that made it big.... thats a Trope Codifier.

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Fast Eddie himself seems to be advocating anime-specific character archetypes named after the Trope Maker/ Trope Codifier. He shot down Tiny Tyrranical Tsundere in favor of Shana Clone.

edited 17th Aug '11 12:43:38 AM by NoirGrimoir

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Char Clone needs to stay though, since it is in fact a pre-existing term. And in the grand scheme of things, Char really is much more well known than Rei, and orders of magnitude more than Shana. Its also a far, far more specific character type.

Didn't realize that. That seems like a bizarre way to go about it, especially considering the anti-character-named-tropes stance of the wiki.

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I believe it was a compromise on Eddie's part, since IIRC trying to come up with a rename for Tiny Tyrannical Tsundere that didn't involve "tsundere" was floundering. I think Rei Ayanami Expy was a way to get around Pale Blue Haired Kuudere for the same reasons, but I could be wrong.

edited 17th Aug '11 3:39:30 PM by Willbyr

I think expy tropes are the main exception to the no-character-named-tropes thing, since the whole point of an expy is that it is a reference to a particular character.

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Cold Pale Strange Girl? (Feel free to move the adjectives around.)

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edited 17th Aug '11 4:30:53 PM by Antheia

I think we've establish though that this is a character archetype, which was started or proliferated by Rei and her expies, but which are no longer direct expies to her. Which would then argue that it needs a descriptive name rather than a character name.

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I honestly think that, if we're using the "Clone" naming convention (particularly since most of these aren't actually expies... they qualify as Captain Ersatz instead), we'd have to use the character's full name, due to failing the One Mario Limit with both names (while more associated with the Neon Genesis Evangelion character, "Ayanami" is the familial name for a few characters in multiple series... and for that matter, a decent number of real life folks).

That said, I do wonder - is there enough of a common thread beyond Emotionless White-Haired Pretty Girl? I feel that I'm either missing something or that there isn't quite enough there to call it a distinct trope.

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They are all Kuudere, typically take on the same The Spock roles when not Dere, rarely speak unless required to. Almost always become an Ensemble Dark Horse and usually get more H-Doujins made with them more than any other character. Almost All follow the same Emotionless Girl to Kuudere pattern.

Strange Pale Haired Kuudere was one of the proposed titles way back when but went the way of Tiny Tyrannical Tsundere.

edited 18th Aug '11 8:25:25 AM by Raso

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