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Aug 19th 2019 at 2:18:51 PM

There was a series of fan arts on Deviantart which reimagined the various Disney protagonists in a more superhero/adventure hero light and one of them had Ariel wielding the trident naturally. Belle was also reimagined as a sorceress.

If we're doing Disney Princess stuff, and as long as we're talking about Belle, I say pit her against her (according to the Internet) long time Arch-Nemesis Cinderella.

It's a beef that (for some reason) needs to be settled.

Wait, what's this about Belle and Cinderalla being arch enemies? Is their some kind of fandom rivalry between the two?

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Aug 19th 2019 at 3:19:20 PM

I've seen a few pics (many NSFW) of them battling it out.

There's also that Rap Battle with Sarah Michelle Gellar playing Cinderella.

Feels like they are just the two princesses you choose to go at each other now.

I also once found a Con video of two cosplayers dressed as Belle and Cindy having a Lightsaber battle.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Aug 19th 2019 at 4:20:22 AM

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Aug 19th 2019 at 3:52:30 PM

Was this Princess free for all musing before her tv show gave Rapunzel gave her the ability to kill everything in a 70ft radius with magic death hair?

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 19th 2019 at 3:52:41 AM

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
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Aug 19th 2019 at 4:06:59 PM

Was this Princess free for all musing before her tv show gave Rapunzel gave her the ability to kill everything in a 70ft radius with magic death hair?

Oh, yeah! They mentioned her being a scary baller too. Nobody had actually seen her show but they were kinda peripherally aware it existed, IIRC.

Sorry, it was a few weeks ago that they discussed this, so I forgot Rapunzel. <.<

Mulan and Jasmine (because apparently the cartoon made her a badass or something?) were somewhere in the realm of "capable combatants who could probably toast most of the competition, but just can't compare with the godlike superpowers that the upper-tier Princesses are throwing around".

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Aug 19th 2019 at 4:19:51 PM

I've only seen the first season of the Tangled tv show, but after she regrew her hair it also became indestructible.

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Aug 19th 2019 at 4:20:31 PM

Yeah, I think Jasmine did have some fighting ability from the show. At the least she's shown she can handle herself well enough in a fight.

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Aug 19th 2019 at 4:28:54 PM

According to the Descendants 2 page on this site, one of the characters actually calls out the lack of action girls among the Disney Princesses.

Aug 19th 2019 at 4:36:42 PM

I mean.

The general image of a "princess" usually isn't an Action Girl. Mulan and Merida were exceptions in that regard (and I'm not sure if Merida really counts). It's that tradition that made seeing characters like Princess Fiona in Shrek special because they were the exact opposite of "prim and proper."

It just turns out Wreck-it Ralph 2 made the Princesses into prison-hardened locs who would cut you with a glass slipper just as soon as look at you. I'd rather the majority of Disney Princesses not be like that except in deliberate parody.

Edited by Soble on Aug 19th 2019 at 4:45:26 AM

-deep breath- FIGH-TIIIIIIIING GOOOOOOOOLLLD!!!!
Aug 19th 2019 at 4:40:58 PM

I still maintain that if Cinderella is relying on the wand, the Mulans skill at disarming an opponent, and Tianas proven ability to steal magical artifacts from her enemies before they can react, should be a factor.

There was a series of fan arts on Deviantart which reimagined the various Disney protagonists in a more superhero/adventure hero light and one of them had Ariel wielding the trident naturally. Belle was also reimagined as a sorceress.
Feels like thats more of a riff on Aquaman than it is anything inherent to Ariel

Edited by qwigly on Aug 19th 2019 at 4:43:07 AM

Aug 19th 2019 at 4:48:42 PM

[up]True. Though the trident can be wielded by anyone in Triton's bloodline.

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Aug 19th 2019 at 4:51:29 PM

So that includes Ursula doesn't it?

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Aug 19th 2019 at 4:54:23 PM

Early version of the script said Ursula was Tritons sister, so that checks out.

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Aug 19th 2019 at 9:20:13 PM

I mean she literally does wield the trident for awhile so she must be.

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Aug 19th 2019 at 9:53:29 PM

I remember I tried to break down each of the princesses on here a while back, and Rapunzel started to pull ahead of the others. Not only is she - despite being self taught - a capable enough combatant to explicitly outclass trained soldiers, plus a Healing Factor, the series makes her hair unbreakable, prehensile (instinctively so, no less, allowing her to use it as a shield without even thinking) and geokinetic (for a certain type of mineral), and eventually makes her capable of doing terrifying stuff like this:

She can do that shit at will. She doesn't like to do it, but this is Death Battle so meh.

Though if it's a free for all, I could see that favoring into the way they calculate the others reacting. Didn't they do that for their other battle royales: calculate that the rest would gang up on the obvious threat (in this case, Elsa and Rapunzel and Cindy)

I'll just say giving Cinderella the wand is a weird choice. It's not hers, it'd take a specific series of events for her to have it in the first place, and even in the film where it gets stolen and everyone plays hot potato with it I don't think there was ever a point where she even actually uses it. The Fairy Godmother is uniquely loyal to her, but it's still like giving Jasmine access to the Genie: it's plausible, but not the first thing I would think of.

The big thing that keeps Elsa from being a quick win imo is the fact that she has next to no control over her own powers. Hell, her most powerful feats were all done by accident, with her barely knowing how to stop them let alone do them on command. That's liable to change in Frozen 2, given that the trailer makes it clear training to shot web is something she's avid about, but as of the first movie and Frozen Fever and such, she's kind of a danger to herself as much as others, and doesn't have the precision to directly attack the others very well.

The one thing we do know she has that's definitely fatal also only becomes so after a few hours. There's no cure unless you've got magic, sure, but by that time Elsa's probably dead anyway. She's kind of a Glass Cannon and Squishy Wizard.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 19th 2019 at 10:25:01 AM

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
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Aug 19th 2019 at 10:36:57 PM

[up] She can repel attacks with her hair? So Rapunzel would be the main tank if the Disney Princesses formed a adventuring party?

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Aug 19th 2019 at 11:17:41 PM

Theres a case to be made for the Fairy Godmother being an inherent part of Cinderellas arsenal. Its not like she can be summoned by just anyone- she'll show up whenever Cinderella is sad or hurt or scared to fix it. Shes more like Star Platinum than anything.

Edited by qwigly on Aug 19th 2019 at 11:31:11 AM

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Aug 20th 2019 at 1:15:12 AM

Are we using the Disney brand Disney Princesses or just any princesses under Disney?

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Aug 20th 2019 at 2:03:14 AM

The amount of smartasses who try to pretend that the xenomorph queen totally counts now makes the latter just too toxic to discuss.

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Aug 20th 2019 at 2:18:37 AM

I was actually wondering if Mulan counts for this. Her sword should be steel, which repels fairy magic.

EDIT: Iron. Maleficant went with full iron weakness. So add Rapunzel and Merida to the number with fairy resistance.

Edited by Zeromaeus on Aug 20th 2019 at 6:12:01 AM

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Aug 20th 2019 at 4:09:21 AM

Specifically, Cold Iron. Whstever the heck thst is.

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Aug 20th 2019 at 4:11:45 AM

That's D&D. Cold iron in D&D is it's own thing. Though cold iron in literary language is just a fancy way of saying iron shaped to kill. Knives, swords, arrowheads and the like.

Traditional fairy lore goes with either iron or steel as a blanket anti-fairy measure. Most commonly steel. That's where the idea of the lucky horseshoe comes from. The movie Maleficant used iron in general.

Edited by Zeromaeus on Aug 20th 2019 at 7:14:42 AM

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Aug 20th 2019 at 7:17:49 AM

If we're going with Disney brand Princesses then Mulan would count and Elsa would not.

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Aug 20th 2019 at 8:47:08 AM

Elsa is basically a wild mage with ice powers,with ice storm surges

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Aug 20th 2019 at 9:31:03 AM

[up][up] Elsa does fall under it the same as Mulan.

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Aug 20th 2019 at 5:25:42 PM

To quote the other wiki: "The 12 characters considered part of the franchise are Snow White, Cinderella, Aurora, Ariel, Belle, Jasmine, Pocahontas, Mulan, Tiana, Rapunzel, Merida, and Moana."

Elsa isnt on that list.

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