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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
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It hasn't already?
It has, multiple times in fact.
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@ that New York Times article.
Does some areas need to move to the center? Of course, there's no disputing that. But a complete move to the center,unilaterally?
HELL, nah.
This whole one-size fits all fallacy is straight trash. Dems are nowhere even close to as a monolith as the GOP is (and even then, there are in-fighting factions in the GOP), so any strategy that's not tailored to the specifc state and/or district is just asking for massive losses.
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Isn't that what happened to Ossof?
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
It's rather difficult to say so due to the long-shot nature of Ossoff's campaign.
You might as well argue that Republican carpetbaggers are still more accepted by the Georgian Sixth than Democratic ones, even if the Republican is further away.
edited 8th Jul '17 8:43:50 AM by Krieger22
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
What happened to Ossof was that the district was too red for a Democrat to win. And people oversold the Trump factor - even if you consider him a tosser, you may still win in a congressional election.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
I mostly just remember one issue mention with Ossof being he focused too much on being Not-Trump and Anti-Trump in an area where that wasn't the right strategy.
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This was due to polling saying that the voters there identified more as Republican voters than Trump voters (yes, I have to dig it up too).
Unfortunately for Ossof, despite the Ossof campaign's best efforts to encourage turnout among Democratic voters, there were still enough Republican voters for Handel to win.
Another thing Ossof campaigned on was bipartisanship and "connecting people". Bipartisanship always works best to the voters' eyes when it's your representative working with the other side, not vice versa.
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
I still think that the special elections losses, in districts that are historically blood red, aren't a sign of a looming disaster, and the swing trend is promising. If the Democrats start losing swing (or god forbid blue leaning) districts, then you can start to panic suggest a serious change in policy.
We start losing blue districts, I'm making good on finishing my application to New Zealand I started a few years back.
At that point, the country isn't even worth saving.
New Survey coming this weekend!
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Ah, yes, moving to the center sounds exactly like what everyone who's not a middle class white dude wants, and not a clusterfuck guaranteed to justify the tone of insufferable "well, really what's the difference between the parties dude" bothaiderism that I hear from people on all ends of the political spectrum.
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So you think that people who are resisting won't make much of a difference? You should know more of what people fight for.
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Social justice and economic justice are, in the long term, inseparable, and attempting to pursue one at the expense of the other will come back to haunt the party in the long term.
I keep seeing people pushing for that every so often, though it's fair to say that rhetoric (with the exception of idiots like the article's writer) is starting to die down, finally. And I completely agree with the second paragraph.
@Link To The Future and Tactical Fox: Agreed. We just have to make sure that "holding the center" is the pushing policies that make sense and are helpful instead of running further towards the right because the middle ground is pushed right by the GOP.
@Matues: snark noted, and yeah, that's why it's such a weird article.
1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
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Because if blue districts go red, the "resistance" fucked up. Potentially terminally.
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By "hold the center", I mean "don't mindlessly to the left unless we know that a) it will win us elections and/or b) it's some sorely needed policy" it absolutely doesn't mean "we need to move to the right to fill in the gap there"
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
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They know well how not to screw up no matter what, this nation is capable of being saved no matter what happens, most of Eastern Europe had it, Latin America too, the USA will be no exception.
Is that's a worse photo of Donald than normal? He looks ill in it.
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
If Trump dies of natural causes, will he be deified by the GOP?
I'm personally leaning toward "yes, but not to the extent of JFK".
Currently I'm worried more about what could happen if he dies in foreign soil, regardless of how
THE NEWS: This just in: Trump dies in Canada of a heart of attack...
THE ULTRA-CONSERVATIVE MASSES: NUKE OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH! NUKE EM! THEY'VE GOTTA PAY!
THE GOP: Well, that does it. Guess we'll have to bomb Canada.
To be honest, it sounds a bit more ridiculous when you actually think it through, doesn't it?
edited 8th Jul '17 10:42:20 AM by kkhohoho
But does it sound less probable?
...
You may have a point.
If No. 45 dies on foreign soil, he gets a full head-of-state ceremonial burial.
Which, in true Trumpian fashion, the other guys will pay for. And it will be followed by a months-long debate over whether the funeral procession was the most-attended ever.
edited 8th Jul '17 11:37:13 AM by Boston
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Mother Jones: These Three Lawyers Are Quietly Purging Voter Rolls Across the Country. This is scary and disgusting.
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@Luigisan: Did you miss the part where he said that his plan to immigrate to New Zealalnd would only be implemented if the Democrat Party ends up losing currently blue (i.e. Dem-leaning) districts in upcoming Congressional elections? I know you're stubbornly a Wide-Eyed Idealist about the whole situation, but this takes the cake.
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