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This, pretty much. Hindsight is 20/20, and whatever else happened, it is too easy to cherry pick the accurate reports among however many were just crap. End of the day, this particular line of thought is now almost literally academic.
There is an entire book, "Shattered", which documents the case that Clinton refused to believe the polling data, and blamed her staff for falling short.
Then again, there is another book, "The Destruction of Hillary Clinton", for the opposite perspective, that she was the victim of conspiratorial actions by others.
Personally, I think both views are probably correct.
I think there’s a global conspiracy to see who can get the most clicks on the worst lies
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It is definitely uniquely disgusting that everyone basically wants Hillary to beg forgiveness for losing the election.
Nobody ever demanded supplication from John Kerry or Al Gore.
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I personally think that constantly talking about 2016 is pointless at this point, and we need to focus on 2017, (especially) 2018 and 2020. But that's just me and my perspective; obviously there is some merit of talking about why Hillary lost, but constantly talking about the same bullet points over and over again gets a little annoying.
I think it is disgusting. I can't remember a single case of someone loosing a presidential campaign and then having to beg for forgiveness for not winning it. Hillary is certainly not perfect, but I applaud her for not playing this little game and taking responsibility for something which was not really her fault. And honestly, I am even more disgusted by the leftist media which does it. Because you can kind of expecting the republicans to act that way, they are morally corrupt after all, but the democrats should be better than this. That the far left hasn't learned anything from the election and are still throwing dirt at her make them just as off-putting as the republicans with their "but Obama" excuses.
Oh, bother.
The people I consider the most responsible for Trump's win are the people who voted for him and the people who didn't vote for HRC despite not wanting Trump to win.
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If they wanted to vote but faced genuine obstacles then they get a pass.
edited 4th Jun '17 7:17:12 PM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprised
Though obviously not the ones who would have voted for her but were prevented-not just the ones suppressed, but the ones who fell through any one of a hundred cracks in our archaic voting systems.
I blame the ones who were Anti-Trump and didn't vote for Hillary the most, because the Trump-Supporters, they are idiots, they don't know better, and while this is partly their own fault, their stupidity is also partly wanted by the state which does its best to keep the masses politically uneducated. The ones who were Anti-Trump don't have an excuse like this, they knew what kind of person Trump is and the danger he represents and did nothing to stop him.
edited 4th Jun '17 7:04:13 PM by Swanpride
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
Well, forgive me using PTSD, but its the comparison that fits most closely. Losing to Trump was a watershed event (and would be a sure sign of absurdism in a fictional work). People will probably be trying to make sense of it (and seeing repeats of the event) for quite some time...
Could be worse. Plenty of reactionaries are waxing poetic about how social democracy has been discredited and that could easily have become a mainstream interpretation of the result. (The timing of the Women's March and its scale may just have pulled all kinds of social movements back from the brink).
Progressive social movements are growing like never before. Google "Republican Townhalls" and you'll see one aspect of that.
I think there’s a global conspiracy to see who can get the most clicks on the worst lies
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
Democrat Jon Ossoff declines a Sixth District debate on CNN
That means the only likely televised comparisons between the two candidates will occur next week: Tuesday on WSB-TV and Thursday on WABE-TV/PBA 30, an Atlanta-based PBS station.
A June 15 debate on WSB Radio that’s co-hosted by the North Fulton Chamber remains a possibility.
APC President Lauri Strauss this morning confirmed Ossoff’s decision to skip the CNN debate in a statement that includes this:
The Atlanta Press Club has a 25-year history of providing Georgia voters fair and balanced debates through its Loudermilk-Young Debate Series.
We regret Jon Ossoff has declined to be a part of this debate, which would have helped inform the voters of Georgia’s Sixth Congressional District and engaged viewers around the country.
Shortly after his first-place finish in April, Ossoff had challenged Handel to six debates. Handel countered with four dates last week. One of them was the proposed confrontation sponsored by CNN and the APC.
Strauss’ statement did not say why Ossoff had decided to avoid a side-by-side comparison on national TV, but an email from Ossoff spokewoman Amy Mesner to Mark Preston, CNN’s executive director for political programming, provides a hint:
Hi Mark,
We’re committed to participating in debates moderated by members of the metro Atlanta press corps, so unfortunately Jon will not be attending the proposed debate on June 13th. Sorry we couldn’t come to an agreement.
Thanks,
Handel’s campaign scoffed at the decision.
“We know why a caricature candidate who has spent more than $10 million on TV ads suddenly doesn’t want the exposure of a national audience,” said spokesman Charlie Harper. “His fictitious narrative and flimsy resume won’t stand up to scrutiny.”
Ossoff’s campaign pointed to a May 31 statement in which he repeated his support for six local debates and “expressed disappointment” that Handel declined to participate in a showdown hosted by CBS 46.
As we’ve pointed out before, Ossoff has had a strategy of keeping his personal message local, concentrating on federal spending and economic development. The Democrat left it to others, including high-spending Super PA Cs, to characterize his campaign as a protest against the inauguration of President Donald Trump.
That separation, his campaign might be thinking, would be harder to maintain under questioning that would have likely been dominated by national correspondents from CNN.
edited 4th Jun '17 7:32:02 PM by CenturyEye
Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives
True, but unfortunately I think the terror attacks will "prove Trump right" in some people's eyes. Since a bunch of Conservatives are pretty much cheering the deaths in Britain and going "see, if you don't ban all deh MUSLINS it's totally gonna happen again!"
Before we just had to fear deaths from terrorists, now as proven by recent events, we have to fear terrorists, a fearmongering president, and domestic terrorists Trump's action encourage and he doesn't care about.
Yet America is a divided and in some places awful enough country that we'd vote for him again. After all we voted for that Reagan bastard twice.
You're making the mistake of assuming that Trump supporters care about things that happen in other countries.
They do, as long as it supports their ideas that Muslim=Evil.
I mean, the people who think Trump is right about his Muslim ban likely are not the type of people who could be persuaded away from him in the first place. This is not the kind of thing that is going to get him any long lasting new support. I don't know why you'd assume this would be special in that regard.
edited 4th Jun '17 7:42:11 PM by LSBK
It's true. Even when the attackers are native Britons or Frenchmen, Trump and his supporters use it as evidence that we need a ban on (Muslim) immigrants and refugees.
edited 4th Jun '17 7:42:27 PM by Parable
A real bad hombre
I fear for the consequences if we see another attack on US soil.
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
I'm honestly hoping that a natural disaster or a plague hits us before a terrorist attack.
Edit: Hell of page topper, huh?
edited 4th Jun '17 7:54:05 PM by JBC31187
Oh, bother.
I'd rather have neither happening of course. Especially since we don't have anyone running FEMA right now.
Disgusted, but not surprised
A real bad hombre
I kind of wonder what the nightmare scenario is.
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
@JBC: I wouldn't want a natural disaster to happen to anyone.
I really want America to come to it's senses. But the fickle and easily impressed public will stop that from happening.
edited 4th Jun '17 8:05:26 PM by Wildcard
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Well, I believe that regardless from city, there will the people of the perpetrator's race coming out offering good stuff to the victims and even most of the people will dedicate themselves in helping out others instead of asking for revenge like the people of France and Britain did.
As long as Trumps keeps screwing up in his promises and such, and when more of the Americans keep mobilizing in large numbers do, then it will happen.
edited 4th Jun '17 8:08:06 PM by Luigisan98
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I rather not have to suffer another 9/11 or another Hurricane Sandy, thank you.
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Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
Well, things can always get worse, but we needn't just plan for further horrors. We spent the last page discussing 2016, but a bunch of other pages discussing how weak Trump has been as a president. As I noted with the Women's March and De Marquis did with resistance organizations, civil society responded immediately.
As for natural disasters, the last time FEMA was at its worst in the W Era, one saw things like Wal-Mart trucks braving the floods and peace officers from California showing up. The WHO still exists for plague and I don't see the CDC slacking off. (Do remember the Ebola outbreak). And the administration may loath them, but civil servants still exist.
edited 4th Jun '17 8:14:04 PM by CenturyEye
Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
Nightmare scenario: See The Division.
Of course, there was a functioning FEMA CERA, not like it helped that much in the end.
I'd suggest replacing all TVs in his line of sight with Mister Rogers' Neighborhood, but I suspect that would soon result in an effectively decapitated US executive branch.
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot