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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
A real bad hombre
For all the shit Pence could pull I think he'd still be better than Trump (the bar has been set so low now it's starting to drill through the bedrock) purely because he wouldn't undermine the post ww2 order and would also probably be completely incapable of winning reelection.
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
Would that it were so simple.
"would also probably be completely incapable of winning reelection."
Eh, we don't know that. Pence presents the facade of a normal Middle American politician, and if you're a total moron like much of our electorate, you might be tempted to vote based on that. After Trump's election, any claim of a candidate's lack of electability should be met with skepticism.
edited 21st May '17 10:12:29 PM by CrimsonZephyr
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
Oh, bother.
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Pence would be the go-to candidate for the Evangelicals, neocons, and TPP supporters.
Zachary Ailes just sounds like a grieving relative to me.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
He definitely sounds like every other scrawny little white dude who wants to go on a mass shooting.
Someone keep some tabs on him.
Oh really when?
A procrastination in of itself
Not for certain but Pence would have some big things going against him, he'd loose the support of the anti-establishment lot, he'd loose the support fo the alt-right and he'd loose the support of Russia, three groups critical to Trump's victory.
On top of that he'd have the key choice of what to do about Trump, a pardon for Trump means risking going down the Ford route (Ford lost a lot for pardoning Nixon) but failing to pardon Trump means risking Trump lashing out with any dirt he has on Trump (which is probably a lot). It's a loose-loose situation.
I think funding for monitoring of potential white terrorists has been scrapped, so no can do.
Also, Pence would spend the majority of his presidency trying to push his bigoted social agenda and pretty much not give a shit about anything else. He'd be much easier for the Republicans to work with than Trump, but that also means that he would have the potential to cause more visible harm and thusly more backlash. He wouldn't have the constant scandals and gaffes that Trump has but he wouldn't have anything in his favor other than some pretense of decorum and not being Trump.
Oh, bother.
BTW, has anyone else heard that Trump, according to a recent briefing, is already exhausted after only two days on his first international trip? No wonder he normally lets Pence handle this.
edited 22nd May '17 12:18:31 AM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprised
xRouhani: I'll still take American democracy over Iranian democracy any day, and I'll continue to say that as long as there's an organization called the Revolutionary Guard, or any organization derived from the same. One thing that America doesn't have is a deep state that can override elections or render them irrelevant.
You've got to keep these things in perspective when comparing elections.
Electoral College.
"Yup. That tasted purple."
Which is why I said "flawed", the popular vote was a gratuitous jab as I know that the USA right now are more of a democracy than Iran.
However, Iran is a zillion times better than Saudi Arabia in that regard.
Not the same thing and you know it. Trump can't have protestors shot, Jafari can and has.
Certainly feels like he wishes he could though.
"Yup. That tasted purple."
Jafari is still under Khamenei's orders as the leader of the Guardians of the Revolution. Incindentally, he has allowed the country to be ran by someone less conservative than he is, and it looks like he is going to allow it again.
I haven't followed Rohani's presidency very closely, but from my point of view, he has abused authority during his tenure less regularly than the cheeto has in four months.
edited 22nd May '17 4:49:52 AM by Julep
In case your wondering about Trump's approval rating, Five Thirty Eight's aggragate of all polls puts it at a mere 38.8%, down from 42.4% just a few weeks ago, while his disapproval rating is a whopping 54.9%, up from 51.9% at the start of the month. Some polls put his approval rating as low as 35%, and his disapproval rating as high as 60%. Makes me happy that as much as two thirds of the country hates him. They also project that by August-September his approval rating could be as low as 31-32% if trends continue, and his disapproval rating as high as 62-63%. I'm willing to believe it'll be even lower, perhaps as low as 25%.
edited 22nd May '17 4:54:43 AM by WhatArtThee
Just another day in the life of Jimmy Nutrin
He definitely has a floor, even Bush had trouble going below 30%, and things are far more partisan now.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
At Bush's lowest, his approval rating was around 24%. It is interesting how low can he fall.
Speak of Bush at this point in his presidency his approval rating average was 54.4%, and disapproval at 31.5%. That's a staggering difference.
To further hammer in just how much he is disliked, his net approval rating (approval minus disapproval) is negative sixteen. NO president before him had a negative net approval rating at this point.
And even among Republicans his approval rating is 75%, and disapproval at 23%, according to a recent poll. So when even a quarter of Republicans hate him that's a really bad sign for him.
edited 22nd May '17 5:02:58 AM by WhatArtThee
Just another day in the life of Jimmy Nutrin
Some Notre Dame students walk out of Pence's commencement speech. Good for them. Did many students walk out of Trump's speech at a university the previous week? They should have, especially when he started whining about how he was the most unfairly treated leader in history (seriously, what the hell was he doing talking about that during a time that was supposed to be about the students?! Way to bring the attention back on yourself, AGAIN!).
Dunno about Trump but there was a Historically Black College that had students turn their backs to guest speaker Betsy DeVos a while back
edited 22nd May '17 7:47:49 AM by sgamer82
A real bad hombre
Don't mind me
edited 22nd May '17 8:02:58 AM by LinkToTheFuture
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
No, but ~Link To The Future your link seems to be incorrect.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Not sure, since I don't recall seeing it in response to recent conversation about the NC Republicans
edited 22nd May '17 7:53:04 AM by sgamer82
Correct link. 8-0 for one and 5-3 for the other district, Gorsuch didn't vote.
Wonder who crossed the lines on 12. Was it Kennedy and Roberts?
I don't think they have it in them to start any truly dangerous shit over that. Worst I can imagine happening is primary challenges against republicans- a kind of Nazi Tea Party, if you will. But I think they're not numerous or centralized enough to get much of anywhere with that- and good luck replicating Trump's success without his cult of personality or mountain of free publicity from the media.
edited 21st May '17 9:58:35 PM by Gilphon