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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Speech is over. Said about all that could be said at the moment. One thing that stood out was when Biden said that other countries have lots of people with mental health issues too but they never suffer these mass shootings.
Designated Healer
Is that true? I’m out of the loop, sorry
Edited by BurntCasserole on May 24th 2022 at 8:58:01 AM
Even in death, I serve the Omnissiah.
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
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...Well, he's at least pointing out that the excuse of "mental illness" isn't water-proof in his own way.
Heart's in the right direction, if anything.
Edited by fredhot16 on May 24th 2022 at 6:07:38 AM
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I’m going to post the speech transcript here once it’s available.
Even in death, I serve the Omnissiah.
Visiting from the Hoag Galaxy
Yeah. Mass shootings do happen sometimes (Canada has them too, but at a much lower frequency) and a lot of countries don't have them at all. The US has a lot of different things going on, but the nearly unfettered access to guns really doesn't help.
Edited by Zendervai on May 24th 2022 at 9:12:15 AM
Not Three Laws compliant.
Problem is, I have met people who claim to be on the left but are against gun control in the U.S., claiming that the racial disparities here make it impossible. Hell, I have had one person tell me that most leftists are against gun control, which is not something I was aware of.
This is not a position I agree with, but it is one that I have heard.
Edited by SatoshiBakura on May 24th 2022 at 9:25:43 AM
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I have never anything to support the idea that "leftists (a super-generalized term, honestly) are against gun control" and am pretty sure I heard that as a Republican strawman of attempts to institute gun control.
Edited by fredhot16 on May 24th 2022 at 6:35:28 AM
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Lost in Space
I do sometimes find myself wondering how the left plans to fight its glorious revolution when the right has all the guns.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
...the right doesn't have "all the guns".
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I think the idea is to give all the guns to black people to defend against the police and white supremacists.
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
I thought people on the U.S Right were the buggers trying to subvert the government and take control, using the idea of fighting government tyranny to keep their weaponry.
Against the U.S military and police. Who have, if not far more guns, far more then just guns.
And, um, considering what happened two years ago, they seem most willing to fit action to words.
And people complain about the "far-left".
Edited by fredhot16 on May 24th 2022 at 7:04:45 AM
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Lost in Space
So, Operation 'Stand Behind the Darkies'?
Edited by Fighteer on May 24th 2022 at 9:48:34 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Visiting from the Hoag Galaxy
Most of them think the police are on their side.
...and in a lot of places, they're right.
I know that's a reference, but wow that's a bad joke that's in poor taste.
Edited by Zendervai on May 24th 2022 at 9:49:36 AM
Not Three Laws compliant.
I started watching it but paused because, well, the topic's a downer, and a lot that can be said on the topic has already been said.
With leftists supporting gun control, I've never heard of it. I'll say that at the very least that people aren't monoliths. And also that I'll say I don't think opposing gun control is intrinsically rightist, and I could easily imagine a leftist having the same mentality as a Right-Wing Militia Fanatic.
Having said that, it's pretty plain as day to me that there's definitely a strong tendency for rightists to oppose gun control more than leftists.
In truth to my understanding most people in general want some increase to gun control in the US.
What Zendervai said.
Edited by Protagonist506 on May 24th 2022 at 6:50:31 AM
"Any campaign world where an orc samurai can leap off a landcruiser to fight a herd of Bulbasaurs will always have my vote of confidence"
I meant that's what these self proclaimed leftists want: they believe that because of the racism in the country, the only way for racism to end is to give the guns to black people to defend themselves. I have seen these people call gun control groups "neoliberal" because they don't believe gun control solves any real societal problems, but sidesteps them.
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
Quick question: what are we defining as "gun control" here?
Because I do remember arguments here about how not knowing how guns work leads to shoddy bills like the bill to ban "assault weapons", a rather meaningless term that accomplishes nothing, but I have never heard of, well, significant left-leaning groups being against gun control. Or anybody that calls themselves left-leaning, really, here or in real life.
Like. The basic idea of "tighter gun restrictions"? Targeting gun ammo? Requiring better testing and the right to take away your license if you show you're an irresponsible gun owner?
I have heard people on this website, even on this thread, going against tighter gun restrictions because "that won't really solve the problem since they could just go to the black market or use knives or bombs". Does that count as "opposing gun control"?
No, I'm dead serious here. I have never heard of "the left" or any serious left-leaning people or groups opposing safer gun usage except when it's supposed to be an ulterior motive strawman to TAKE AWAY YOUR GUNS. Ever.
Edited by fredhot16 on May 24th 2022 at 7:06:00 AM
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Visiting from the Hoag Galaxy
I know Vermont tends to trend left but is very pro-gun. The state is big into hunting though, so that's probably why.
Use a system similar to Canada. You need a license, you need an actual reason for the gun, and you can go to a gun range even without a license if you take a training course.
Like, if you live out in the country, you can get a hunting rifle relatively easily, but it's very difficult for an average person to get a handgun because pretty much no one has a viable use case for it. And if you live in a city, it's really hard to get approved for any gun.
Edited by Zendervai on May 24th 2022 at 9:55:06 AM
Not Three Laws compliant.
Any attempt to take away gun access, I guess.
Edited by DrunkenNordmann on May 24th 2022 at 4:00:02 PM
Welcome to Estalia, gentlemen.
Lost in Space
I'm quite serious: the idea of using angry black people as the frontline revolutionary army of the left is insane.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Literally who here was saying that
I liked it better when Questionable Casting was called WTH Casting Agency
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Satoshi Bakura:
Granted, grain of salt, because Satoshi seems to be speculating on motives here.
Edited by fredhot16 on May 24th 2022 at 7:06:48 AM
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As mentioned before, it's a hell of a gambit that may end up working in ways we didn't expect.
I never said I supported it. And indeed, I think it's a terrible idea.
The Washington Post is streaming it on Twitch as well. He just came on.