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Edited by Fighteer on Nov 17th 2020 at 4:27:33 AM

unknowing from somewhere..
Feb 22nd 2021 at 11:43:33 PM

"Lauren Bonerbert "

I dont know if this is a typo but it make me giggle.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
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Feb 23rd 2021 at 12:50:27 AM

Has SNL gotten Tina Fey and Amy Poehler to do a Boebert/Greene bit? If not, they need to get on it.

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SeptimusHeap PCNA from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
PCNA
Feb 23rd 2021 at 1:22:13 AM

To be fair to Boebert (sp?) the pathetic excuse of a human being that is the current governor of Florida has done the same thing.

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Pendrake That Guy from "Sweet Something of.... Someplace!" (Canada) Relationship Status: Betrayed by Delilah
That Guy
Feb 23rd 2021 at 2:31:33 AM

Oh lord...

So, I checked on that Qultist again, and apparently, at least for the Christian Fundamentalists (Dear GOD, is this woman ever one), they think he's "The Chosen One" because his grandmother's maiden name was Christ.

Seriously, not making this up.

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Clarste One Winged Egret Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
Feb 23rd 2021 at 2:46:06 AM

I'd be surprised if there weren't at least a few people alive right now with the legal name Jesus Christ.

Pendrake That Guy from "Sweet Something of.... Someplace!" (Canada) Relationship Status: Betrayed by Delilah
That Guy
Feb 23rd 2021 at 3:02:42 AM

Well, Jesus is a fairly common name for Latinos, iirc.

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unknowing from somewhere..
Feb 23rd 2021 at 3:05:37 AM

Yeah, there is some weird valus dissonance between anglos and latinos in that regard, for us the name jesus is fairly normal, meanwhile for US is only for jesus christ, I remenber some parent taking about in a thread and being seriously distress by the idea of naming their own kid jesus.

As latin men, I found it amusing.

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SpookyMask Insert title from Corner in round room Relationship Status: Drift compatible
Insert title
Feb 23rd 2021 at 4:18:31 AM

I mean its also pronounced way differently

Its not really same name just because its spelled same

Time to change the style, for now
megarockman Less than 1 in a million from The Sixth Borough
Less than 1 in a million
Feb 23rd 2021 at 4:23:17 AM

The closest equivalent that gets used is Joshua.

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Pendrake That Guy from "Sweet Something of.... Someplace!" (Canada) Relationship Status: Betrayed by Delilah
That Guy
Feb 23rd 2021 at 4:26:30 AM

[up][up]Actually it is the same, it's just how it's pronounced if you're Spanish.

Jesus Christ in Spanish is Jesucristo.

J in Spanish makes an H sound.

Also, I wouldn't argue that with unknowing, Spooky. The guy is a native Spanish speaker.

Just because something is pronounced different than how you do it doesn't mean it doesn't mean the same thing. Not that that's stopped people from declaring war on others and claiming what they're saying isn't the same thing (the Crusades or WW 1, for instance).

Edited by Pendrake on Feb 23rd 2021 at 4:32:43 AM

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Clarste One Winged Egret Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
Feb 23rd 2021 at 4:30:34 AM

On that note, English pronounces all the biblical names hilariously wrong.

Pendrake That Guy from "Sweet Something of.... Someplace!" (Canada) Relationship Status: Betrayed by Delilah
That Guy
Feb 23rd 2021 at 4:36:10 AM

Quite, like Joshua actually being Yeshua, iirc.

Anyways, in Political news, There was a senate hearing about the Intel and Security Failures on the 6th. Here's CNN's article on it: https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/23/politics/us-capitol-attack-senate-hearing/index.html

Unsurprisingly, all of the guys who dropped the ball are pointing fingers at each other.

[down]You said it's "Not really the same name." It is.

Edited by Pendrake on Feb 23rd 2021 at 7:02:58 AM

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Insert title
Feb 23rd 2021 at 5:05:25 AM

@Pendrake: Umm, I wasn't arguing with them?

But on sidenote, english speaking people pronounce my name all the time wrong as well because it was has same spelling as an english name tongue

Time to change the style, for now
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Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
Feb 23rd 2021 at 6:53:30 AM

An aside on foreign policy: Biden deprioritizes the Middle East

     Excerpt 
President Joe Biden is tired of dealing with the Middle East — and, barely a month into his tenure, the region has noticed.

The signals are not meant to be subtle, his advisers say. The president has made only one call to a head of state in the Middle East — Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Wednesday — which itself was delayed by more than three weeks and followed calls to other allies and even adversaries like Russia and China. He announced an end to U.S. support for Saudi-led operations in Yemen in his first two weeks in office, a move preceded by a freeze on some arms sales to the region. And his administration has deliberately taken a back seat in responding to a recent deadly rocket attack in northern Iraq that targeted the U.S.-led coalition.

...

[Secretary of Defense Austin] also indicated the Middle East was not one of his top priorities when he installed three special advisers on key issues: China, Covid and climate. His deputy, Kathleen Hicks, and his chief of staff, Kelly Magsamen, are both noted China experts.

The Pentagon is not the only place where personnel is offering hints about a new set of priorities. Over at the National Security Council, national security adviser Jake Sullivan has downsized the team devoted to the Middle East and bulked up the unit that coordinates U.S. policy toward the Indo-Pacific region. And the potential appointment of a Bernie Sanders adviser, Matt Duss, to a high-level position at the State Department has also raised suspicions that the administration is not overly concerned with traditional domestic politics around Middle East policy.

...

...the big test he faces — one which could very well determine whether his efforts to put the Middle East on the back-burner are successful — is how or whether to undo former President Donald Trump’s decision to pull out of the Iran deal.

Reentry into the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action has been described by Sullivan as a “critical early priority” —one that the administration is set to negotiate as soon as next month with the U.K., France, China, Russia and Germany, known as the P5+1. Some of the president’s allies worry that Biden and his team might be too quick to reenter the deal, perceive that as a victory, and then turn a blind eye to issues like Iran’s abysmal human rights record, ballistic missile program, and its attacks on U.S. and coalition forces in the region.

Sullivan has insisted that won’t happen, noting at an event last month that the administration’s aim is to “get back to diplomacy” with Iran and put its nuclear program “in a box,” so that other “significant threats” posed by Iran can be addressed by the U.S. and its allies.

The issue already was urgent. Iran has claimed Feb. 21 as a deadline for oil and gas sanctions to be lifted off the country or UN inspectors would be forced out. But it took on renewed urgency last Monday, when three rockets struck an Iraqi air base in Erbil where U.S. forces are based, killing a non-U.S. contractor and injuring five Americans. The Shia militia group that claimed credit for the attack is widely known to have close ties to Tehran.

But in another signal that the administration wants to extricate itself from the thorny region, U.S. officials say the intelligence does not yet point to a clear culprit and indicate they will let the Iraqis lead the investigation and any military response.

“While certainly there is a sense of urgency, there is also a real strong interest in being sure that we are deliberative in the process here, the decision-making process, and that we are in lockstep with our Iraqi partners,” Pentagon spokesperson John Kirby said Thursday. “We want to give them the time and space that they need to investigate.”

The article itself has more of President Biden's history with the region.

Edited by CenturyEye on Feb 23rd 2021 at 6:56:48 AM

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DeMarquis Who Am I? from Hell, USA Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
Who Am I?
Feb 23rd 2021 at 7:00:23 AM

I hope this isn't Biden's first mistake. Arguably, this is what bit Obama in the butt.

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands
Redmess
Feb 23rd 2021 at 7:32:03 AM

I don't know, the US being a bit less involved in the Middle East sounds like an improvement on some level.

Optimism is a duty.
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Lost in Space
Feb 23rd 2021 at 7:38:47 AM

Considering what "involvement in the Middle-East" got us in the past, I'd say a hands-off approach is more than appropriate.

Of course, I love the hypocrisy. "We shouldn't waste resources fixing other countries when we have problems at home." <Addresses problems at home> "OMG, why aren't you fixing these international problems we caused?"

Edited by Fighteer on Feb 23rd 2021 at 10:40:14 AM

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Feb 23rd 2021 at 7:39:46 AM

Plus we have enough on our plate domestically cleaning up the mess Trump made.

Edited by sgamer82 on Feb 23rd 2021 at 7:39:57 AM

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Pendrake That Guy from "Sweet Something of.... Someplace!" (Canada) Relationship Status: Betrayed by Delilah
That Guy
Feb 23rd 2021 at 7:44:41 AM

TBH, most of the rest of the world is kinda tired of the US being "World Police" anyways.

Supporting folks, sure, I get that. But openly going out of your way to shove your nose into another country's internal affairs... not so much. If you're gonna do that, just let the CIA do it covertly, like every other country with an Intelligence agency does.

I mean, the US have SEVEN HUNDRED Military Bases that aren't in the US. To put that in comparison, France has 21 that aren't in France, and Russian bases that aren't in Russia number a grand total of... ten? And those're the two with the next-most after the US. Granted, there's probably more of those Chinese-territory claimed Airfields made out of Artificial Islands than those, but they still aren't anywhere remotely close to the sheer ridiculous force projection the US currently has. The US could easily close down half its foreign bases and still maintain the global presence it needs to. So stepping things down anywhere is a good idea.

Edited by Pendrake on Feb 23rd 2021 at 7:54:21 AM

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Reflextion from 2020 (Ultimate) Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Feb 23rd 2021 at 7:45:19 AM

And honestly, until we do clean up our mess at home, any effort to clean up messes in the Middle East or elsewhere is going to inevitably be kneecapped by evangelists, war hawks, and/or profiteers.

You say "cynicism", I hear "pattern recognition".
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Feb 23rd 2021 at 7:51:00 AM

If you're gonna do that, just let the CIA do it covertly, like every other country with an Intelligence agency does.

This assumes the CIA are actually well suited to cleaning up messes, which their record in no way suggests.

If the US wants to clean up messes using the CIA is the worst possible way to do it.

Also, the purpose of an intelligence agency is not to clean up messes. They exist to gather intelligence, hence the name.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Feb 23rd 2021 at 7:51:35 AM

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Lost in Space
Feb 23rd 2021 at 7:54:19 AM

Fixing our international messes is a matter of diplomatic and economic policy more than military policy, really. At least if we want long-term solutions. Of course, the hypocrisy of other nations can't be ignored here.

"Fuck off ze Americans thinking zhey can come in and tell us what to do."

"Fucking Americans, why don't they help us out of this crisis?"

Edited by Fighteer on Feb 23rd 2021 at 10:55:11 AM

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MorningStar1337 Arknights ID: Thanatos#2046 from 🤔
Arknights ID: Thanatos#2046
Feb 23rd 2021 at 7:55:01 AM

Intelligence agencies are therefor the self-defense of the nation. Nothing more, nothing less. And much like the Police they only defend the nations interests, not her peoples.

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Pendrake That Guy from "Sweet Something of.... Someplace!" (Canada) Relationship Status: Betrayed by Delilah
That Guy
Feb 23rd 2021 at 7:56:14 AM

[up][up][up]You have a point.

Guess what I meant is the US should work through Diplomacy or Espionage. Not use the Military Sledgehammer it's fond of using.

[up][up]In fairness, that's also because the US does it about five to ten times as much as other countries. It's not hypocritical to call the US out for doing it THAT much.

It's kinda like when American Tourists come somewhere, and spend their entire vacation insulting the place and saying how much better things are in the US. That happens a lot more than you think.

Edited by Pendrake on Feb 23rd 2021 at 8:14:21 AM

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