The General US Politics Thread

There really isn't that many Nazis in America. I would say they're nothing more than a tiny sliver of a sliver of the population. Denying shit to them is great, but don't we have much bigger fish to fry? Like climate deniers?

Not really. They may be tiny, but it doesn't stop them from being a helluva Vocal Minority. And with a much bigger social impact than climate deniers.

They're usually one in the same.

First time I'm hearing this,that would make them 'Nazi climate change deniers'

Dont think it's likely there's many of them,i'd wager there's more climate changers deniers then people who actively support Nazism

I mean to say, most if probably not all Nazis are also climate change deniers.

Why don't we deal with both? Shut down Nazis when they're being Nazis?

The number of Nazis doesn't really matter if enough people are willing to roll with them.

The far right in general exists in the multiple millions in America. Whatever the relative percentage is, it's a number far too large to ignore.

They don't have to be a majority to do a lot of damage. They only need enough people being comfortable to stand beside them. Which is currently every single Republican Voter.

You know, ~Le Garcon, you inspired me to do some Googling about that question and yes, there seems to be a correlation.

Reminder that the Nazi party in WWII was started by Hitler and his buddies ranting about jews in a bar.

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You don't need to be numerous to do damage if no one fights back.

Eh...no. Not quite. Hitler took over an already existing party which already had anti-Semitic tendencies and a desire for nationalism but, well, wasn't exactly THAT.

The way into the Third Reich is not a choice per se, it is a string of choices until you suddenly don't have a choice anymore. Therefore "Währet den Anfängen" (be vigilant towards the beginnings).

Of course, one have to get that in a general sense, A LOT of stuff happen to hitler even being considered a threat, some much that it would make any fiction break by sheer asspulls.

Soooo, the GOP... Like the alt-righters are trying.

Edited by Imca on Nov 18th 2018 at 1:26:09 AM

x4 Actually, the Nazi Party was founded by nationalist Anton Drexter in January 1919, specifically in response to German's defeat in WWI. Hitler joined it that July, and usurped Drexter 2 years later (July 1921), and what you're describing (the Beer Hall Putsch, in November 1923) was simply the first time he gained national, and international, attention (for trying to coup the Weimer Republic).

x3 Kind of .

In a way, yes.

Edited by DingoWalley1 on Nov 18th 2018 at 4:31:34 AM

And the very source of the Nazi ideology go even back further to Austrian Nationalist movements. Schönerer was a big inspiration to Hitler.

Yes, more or less. That's where the Af D started out, too, btw. Just a little bit too conservative, a little bit too narrow-mind, and then way too ready to accept questionable allies for a win.

Edited by Swanpride on Nov 18th 2018 at 2:17:12 AM

Basically, except the GOP is playing both the roles of the nationalist usurpers and the run of the mill right wing enabling them.

An article I linked a while back referred to Mitch Mc Connell as the gravedigger of American democracy the same way Paul von Hindenburg killed German democracy by throwing his lot in with the Nazis because, broadly, they wanted the same things.

And we know how that story ended.

Where do you live?

Because Nazis are everywhere in Kentucky and West Virginia. They're basically the Generic Ethnic Gang of the region and behind the opiod trade. That's in addition to the Christian Identity movement, numerous militias, outlaw motorcycle gangs, and The Klan. They kill thousands of people every year either with their product or actual violence. In Lexington last month, one just killed a pair of elderly blacks For the Evulz.

Are they a minority? Yes, but they are in the tens of thousands around here.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Nov 18th 2018 at 2:52:53 AM

Well said, not to mention that they have millions of sympathizers.

So as other people have said, Nazis and other hardcore Fascists don't need to personally have large numbers to cause major damage and hijack institutions.

I think that's part of the problem here. While the Far Right only consists of roughly 6% of the population, that's still millions of people. But rather than being spread more or less equally among the entire country, they're instead located mostly in small dense pockets. There's probably at least one alt-righter in every state, but compared to somewhere like Kentucky, there aren't a whole lot of them in somewhere like, say, Minnesota. I've actually gone my entire life without meeting one, and while I'm grateful, it can paint a rather inaccurate picture of just how much of a presence they really have.

Edited by kkhohoho on Nov 18th 2018 at 4:59:39 AM

Not to sound like a dick or anything, but I'm pretty sure I was the one who linked that article first. Yes, I do have a bad history with people trying to take credit for stuff I've done.

Also, ignoring Nazis is the exact reason they were able to get power in 2016 in the first place. Just as we thought that there was no way this country would be insane enough to elect someone like Trump, we thought that the alt-right were just some fringe lunatic population. We didn't want to acknowledge that not only were they a problem, but they that they were never a fringe problem in the first place. They have been our neighbors, our teachers, our librarians, our mailmen, our former friends. The only reason we never thought that they were such an insidious force is because, until Trump himself showed up, they felt that they couldn't come out and let their fellow citizens know just who was making their coffee and who was the principal of their children's' school. We know now...and yet, we still have people saying that Nazis in the U.S. aren't a problem? That we have bigger fish to fry than the reactionaries who want to bring us back to some vaunted "Golden Age" that would be a Dark Age for absolutely everyone else?

Call me crazy, but I think that just reeks of covering for white nationalists. You want some sort of "post-racial America"? Then stop ignoring the fact that we have never been one, and we still aren't.

Edited by SciFiSlasher on Nov 18th 2018 at 5:03:34 AM

Part of the issue is that a lot of people this generation (including me to an extent, sadly,) were convinced that while racism may not have been gone, it wasn't nearly as much of a problem as it used to be. MLK came down from the heavens and showed us the light and everything was suddenly hunkey-dory. Problem was, it wasn't. Yes, we had certainly made some progress. But not nearly enough. There were still plenty of racists and facists lying in wait, waiting for the moment when their righteous cause could finally be acknowledged once more and they could all come out of the woodwork. And with Trump, to them, it was. And now we know better.

Although that does leave the question of "Will we forget later (or once Trump's out of office)?"

So, just saw a link to a Twitter post with the following:

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1064176731681116160?s=19

Edited by sgamer82 on Nov 18th 2018 at 4:12:42 AM

And this is why Trump is never going to get the full support of the army. Thank God.