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#258076: Oct 19th 2018 at 7:18:41 AM

Bloomberg: Mueller ready to delivery key findings after the election.

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Special Counsel Robert Mueller is expected to issue findings on core aspects of his Russia probe soon after the November midterm elections as he faces intensifying pressure to produce more indictments or shut down his investigation, according to two U.S. officials.

Specifically, Mueller is close to rendering judgment on two of the most explosive aspects of his inquiry: whether there were clear incidents of collusion between Russia and Donald Trump’s 2016 campaign, and whether the president took any actions that constitute obstruction of justice, according to one of the officials, who asked not to be identified speaking about the investigation.

That doesn’t necessarily mean Mueller’s findings would be made public if he doesn’t secure unsealed indictments. The regulations governing Mueller’s probe stipulate that he can present his findings only to his boss, who is currently Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein. The regulations give a special counsel’s supervisor some discretion in deciding what is relayed to Congress and what is publicly released.

The question of timing is critical. Mueller’s work won’t be concluded ahead of the Nov. 6 midterm elections, when Democrats hope to take control of the House and end Trump’s one-party hold on Washington.

But this timeline also raises questions about the future of the probe itself. Trump has signaled he may replace Attorney General Jeff Sessions after the election, a move that could bring in a new boss for Mueller. Rosenstein also might resign or be fired by Trump after the election.

Rosenstein has made it clear that he wants Mueller to wrap up the investigation as expeditiously as possible, another U.S. official said. The officials gave no indications about the details of Mueller’s conclusions. Mueller’s office declined to comment for this story. Pre-Election Lull

With three weeks to go before the midterm elections, it’s unlikely Mueller will take any overt action that could be turned into a campaign issue. Justice Department guidelines say prosecutors should avoid any major steps close to an election that could be seen as influencing the outcome.

That suggests the days and weeks immediately after the Nov. 6 election may be the most pivotal time since Mueller took over the Russia investigation almost a year and a half ago. So far, Mueller has secured more than two dozen indictments or guilty pleas.

Read More: Ex-Trump Fixer Cohen Said to Have Lengthy Talks With Mueller

Trump’s frustration with the probe, which he routinely derides as a “witch hunt,” has been growing, prompting concerns in Congress he may try to shut down or curtail Mueller’s work at some point.

There’s no indication, though, that Mueller is ready to close up shop, even if he does make some findings, according to former federal prosecutors. Several matters could keep the probe going, such as another significant prosecution or new lines of inquiry. And because Mueller’s investigation has been proceeding quietly, out of the public eye, it’s possible there have been other major developments behind the scenes.

Mueller only recently submitted written questions to Trump’s lawyers regarding potential collusion with Russia, and his team hasn’t yet ruled out seeking an interview with the president, according to one of the U.S. officials. If Trump refused an interview request, Mueller could face the complicated question of whether to seek a grand jury subpoena of the president. The Justice Department has a standing policy that a sitting president can’t be indicted.

At the same time, Mueller is tying down some loose ends. Four of his 17 prosecutors have left the special counsel’s office in recent months. Three are going back to their previous Justice Department jobs, and the fourth has become a research fellow at Columbia Law School.

After several postponements, Mueller’s team has agreed to a sentencing date for Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser, who pleaded guilty to one count of making false statements last year. The Dec. 18 date comes more than a year after Mueller secured a cooperation deal with Flynn, suggesting that Mueller’s team has all it needs from him.

Trump’s former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, struck his own cooperation agreement with Mueller last month, after being convicted at trial in Virginia on eight counts of bank fraud, filing false tax returns and failure to file a foreign bank account. The plea agreement let him avoid a second trial in Washington. The judge in the Virginia trial, who wasn’t part of the plea agreement, has scheduled a sentencing hearing Friday, which could complicate Manafort’s cooperation agreement with Mueller.

Mueller’s prosecutors also have met with Michael Cohen, Trump’s former personal lawyer. Cohen pleaded guilty in New York in August to tax evasion, bank fraud and violations of campaign finance laws. That separate investigation, headed by the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Manhattan, is one of several New York probes involving the Trump Organization, and could ultimately prove to be more damaging to the president than Mueller’s work. Manafort’s Plea

Former federal prosecutors said in recent interviews that Manafort’s plea deal probably advanced Mueller’s timeline for determining whether there was collusion.

Manafort could be assisting Mueller’s team on questions related to whether the Trump campaign changed the Republican party’s stance on Ukraine as part of an understanding with the Russian government, and whether the Russians helped coordinate the release of hacked emails related to Democrat Hillary Clinton with members of Trump’s campaign, said another former prosecutor who asked not to be named.

Quick Take: From Cohen to Collusion, Tallying Trump’s Legal Risks

Manafort is also key to understanding a June 2016 meeting at Trump Tower between Donald Trump Jr. and a group of Russians who had promised damaging information concerning Clinton, the former official said.

Manafort appears to have good material to offer, said Samuel Buell, a former federal prosecutor who teaches at Duke University School of Law. “He’s not going to get that deal unless he can help Mueller make a case against one or more people,” Buell said. Cooperators can’t expect leniency unless they provide "substantial assistance in the prosecution of others," Buell added, citing sentencing guidelines.

Although the days and weeks after the election might test Mueller in new ways, he has confronted pressure before to shut down. Done by Thanksgiving

Trump’s lawyers have attempted to publicly pressure Mueller into wrapping up his investigation, setting artificial deadlines since the early days of the probe when they predicted it would wrap by the end of 2017. In August 2017, then-White House lawyer Ty Cobb said he would be “embarrassed”if the investigation dragged on past Thanksgiving.

Even if Mueller’s probe stretched through 2019, the timeline wouldn’t be unprecedented. Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr spent four years investigating President Bill Clinton before releasing his report on the Monica Lewinsky affair, which spun out of a probe into an Arkansas land deal known as Whitewater.

It took almost two years for Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald to indict Scooter Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney’s chief of staff, for lying to investigators and obstruction of justice in October 2005 in the investigation into the public outing of CIA agent Valerie Plame.

Edited by tclittle on Oct 19th 2018 at 9:20:03 AM

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#258077: Oct 19th 2018 at 7:19:37 AM

White Evangelicalism is White Supremacy, with some Male Supremacy mixed in.

I'm not really a major fan of Christianity but I feel fairly comfortable in saying that White Evangelicals don't have much connection to it.

The split is basically on the following lines:

1. The upper middle class and big box churches are going Trump.

2. The poorer ones are actually really really disgusted with the Republican party right now because of the hunger crisis in Appalachia (related to opiod) and other matters.

3. The fact fundamentalist churches include large Indian and Black membership.

4. The not insignificant number of people who are actually disgusted with Donald's sexual behavior (nevermind what he does to people)

Pence more or less spends a lot of his time reassuring people about Trump but a large number of churches have withdrawn from it.

It's difficult right now to say how evangelicalism will look as a body after Trump's exit from office/death.

This is similar to what happened over the Civil War with the fact the Baptist Church condemned slavery and had a secession to create the Southern Baptists.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Oct 19th 2018 at 7:22:09 AM

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#258078: Oct 19th 2018 at 7:26:11 AM

I don't see how a person that follows a religion that tells you to be a good person could possibly support Trump in ANY fashion.

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#258079: Oct 19th 2018 at 7:27:36 AM

[up]Easy: they justify it by telling themselves siding with Trump is worth it if it means getting rid of the real evils plaguing the USA. Y'know, things like LGBT people being treated like...people.

Edited by M84 on Oct 19th 2018 at 10:27:58 PM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#258080: Oct 19th 2018 at 7:29:22 AM

It pretty much is a litmus test whether you support white supremacy or Jesus first.

Mind you, my mother insists Trump brought prosperity to Appalachia.

So she's living in her own world.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Oct 19th 2018 at 7:30:09 AM

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#258081: Oct 19th 2018 at 7:29:30 AM

[up][up][up]Hypocrisy is a natural state of being for... well, humans in general, but religion generally doesn't help.

Edited by TroperOnAStickV2 on Oct 19th 2018 at 10:30:03 AM

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Oh, bother.
#258082: Oct 19th 2018 at 7:30:15 AM

[up][up]More like they think supporting white supremacy is supporting Jesus and God. Somehow.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#258083: Oct 19th 2018 at 7:31:18 AM

The moral high ground is attractive to those who least deserve it.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Oct 19th 2018 at 7:37:28 AM

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#258084: Oct 19th 2018 at 7:31:52 AM

I don't see how a person that follows a religion that tells you to be a good person could possibly support Trump in ANY fashion.

They're only tangibly connected to Christianity and use that as a cover for their White/Male/Cis/Hetero Supremacy.

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#258085: Oct 19th 2018 at 7:32:44 AM

[up][up]Well, yeah. The people who care about having moral high ground are suffering from Pride. The people who actually have decent morals don't care about one-upping other people. Humility is one of the Virtues, after all.

Edited by M84 on Oct 19th 2018 at 10:32:58 PM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#258086: Oct 19th 2018 at 7:37:35 AM

More like they think supporting white supremacy is supporting Jesus and God. Somehow.

The key to understanding the fundamentalist mindset is two things. This is from an ex-one and a man immersed in multiple Christian communities.

1. The Tautological Templar and Hitler Ate Sugar element. Everything you do is the way Jesus wants you to and looking for enemies to feel righteous against.

2. Very rarely do they think themselves racists against fellow Christians but are openly racist against non-Christians. What qualifies as Christian can become very very narrow as well. No True Scotsman is a big deal in the community because they have difficulty with the idea most of the world is Christian and they don't have someone to feel better than.

And there's also 3#

3. Trump isn't necessarily appealing to Jesus primarily, though he has, but a lot of people have their Good Old Ways appealed to and elements around Jesus. The Tautological Templar elements add Jesus to Trump because they like him for other things and since they are pure perfect Christians then that means Jesus must love Trump.

The TV show True Blood had a good example with Tara's mom who attributed Jesus to being behind everything good in her life and abusing her daughter because she was "wicked" despite her daughter being hardworking, charitable, and loving to her mother (albeit angry at every other person in her life).

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Oct 19th 2018 at 7:38:36 AM

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#258087: Oct 19th 2018 at 7:41:15 AM

Bloomberg: Mueller ready to delivery key findings after the election.

The skeptic in me wonders if Chuck Grassley might have been just a little bit right during the Spanish Inquisition hearing for Rod Rosenstein, when he accused that the Investigation was concealing its findings.

The timing of this makes me think that Mueller's been sitting on this release until the Midterm election so that he can hand his information off to a House (and maybe Senate but probably not) that's shifted blue, knowing that a Republican-controlled Congress will immediately burn every document he turns over.

If even one chamber of Congress is Democrat-controlled, they'll preserve the results of his investigation even as the rest of Washington scrambles about trying to kill it. They may even leak the findings to the press if Trump tries to silence it.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 19th 2018 at 8:43:18 AM

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#258088: Oct 19th 2018 at 7:42:51 AM

2. Very rarely do they think themselves racists against fellow Christians but are openly racist against non-Christians. What qualifies as Christian can become very very narrow as well.
As an addition to this, many of the refugees from Syria and Libya were ... Coptic Christians. Who the Evangelicals wanted blocked from entry, because real Christians are white, not Arabic.

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#258089: Oct 19th 2018 at 7:44:44 AM

The skeptic in me wonders if Chuck Grassley might have been just a little bit right during the Spanish Inquisition hearing for Rod Rosenstein, when he accused that the Investigation was concealing its findings.

The timing of this makes me think that Mueller's been sitting on this release until the Midterm election so that he can hand his information off to a House (and maybe Senate but probably not) that's shifted blue, knowing that a Republican-controlled Congress will immediately burn every document he turns over.

If even one chamber of Congress is Democrat-controlled, they'll preserve the results of his investigation even as the rest of Washington scrambles about trying to kill it. They may even leak the findings to the press if Trump tries to silence it.

Another way to view this is that Mueller is too professional to pull Comey and reveal the contents of an investigation in the middle of an election. Though I wouldn't be surprised if they considered this too when making their decision.

As an addition to this, many of the refugees from Syria and Libya were ... Coptic Christians. Who the Evangelicals wanted blocked from entry, because real Christians are white, not Arabic.

Christian Identity is a hell of a drug.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Oct 19th 2018 at 10:45:55 AM

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#258090: Oct 19th 2018 at 8:13:05 AM

They're only tangibly connected to Christianity and use that as a cover-up for White/Male/Cis/Hetero Supremacy.

That seems to be the case, but I would say they're much more connected to Christianity in terms of its history as an oppressor. Also, "Cis" supremacy? I'm unfamiliar with the term.

Edited by Friendperson on Oct 19th 2018 at 8:13:30 AM

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#258091: Oct 19th 2018 at 8:15:52 AM

That seems to be the case, but I would say they're much more connected to Christianity in terms of its history as an oppressor. Also, "Cis" supremacy? I'm unfamiliar with the term.

When I say they're tangibly connected to Christianity I'm talking theologically, White Evangelicals have a very weak theological basis for most of their beliefs. Hence why you can see blatant heresies like the "Prosperity Gospel".

When I say Cis Supremacy I'm talking about their positions that glorify cisgender people and demonize/target anything remotely transgender.

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RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#258092: Oct 19th 2018 at 8:16:08 AM

@Friend: Cis as opposed to trans.

It's been fun.
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#258093: Oct 19th 2018 at 8:20:35 AM

[up][up] Ah, so it's just another word for a regular person. Got it. Thanks, guys. And I do honestly have to agree-for all the talk about honoring God and the tenets of their faith, they sure as shit do not do that.

Edited by Friendperson on Oct 19th 2018 at 8:20:46 AM

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Oh, bother.
#258094: Oct 19th 2018 at 8:23:03 AM

...I'd refrain from referring to cis as "regular". That implies that transgender people are irregular.

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#258095: Oct 19th 2018 at 8:23:36 AM

It's kind of like that more obviously they tout their religious cred, the less religious they actually are.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#258096: Oct 19th 2018 at 8:24:03 AM

Yeah, I don't think you meant it in an ugly way but that's kind of unfortunate. Cisgender exists because it acts as a replacement for terms like "regular" or "normal" which have unfortunate implications.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Oct 19th 2018 at 11:24:24 AM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#258097: Oct 19th 2018 at 8:24:48 AM

As an addition to this, many of the refugees from Syria and Libya were ... Coptic Christians. Who the Evangelicals wanted blocked from entry, because real Christians are white, not Arabic.

The sheer ignorance of a lot of these people can't be understated either. They have difficulty with believing Catholics and Mormons are Christian (if not outright reject it) and I shit you not...have no idea Eastern Orthodox Christiantiy exists.

A lot had no idea that Christians existed in Africa in my church until we had a big week long lecture on it (and took in about a dozen refugees from Darfur to settle in our city). That was a Crowning Moment Of Heartwarming that sadly wasn't repeated in Trumpland.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Oct 19th 2018 at 8:26:08 AM

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#258098: Oct 19th 2018 at 8:28:20 AM

[up][up] Oh, sorry. I didn't realize.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#258099: Oct 19th 2018 at 8:29:47 AM

Oh, sorry. I didn't realize.

There's no need to apologize, we all had a time when we didn't know. What matters is that unlike too many people you're willing to learn smile

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#258100: Oct 19th 2018 at 9:46:25 AM

How about average?,as in "Your average person" or is that offensive as well?

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