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RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#257951: Oct 17th 2018 at 10:36:06 PM

And then voted into office on a Republican ticket.

It's been fun.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#257952: Oct 17th 2018 at 10:37:50 PM

[up]Nah, Satire would definitely be Democratic-leaning. The GOP has a lousy sense of humor. Just look at the stupid "NPC" thing that came up in the previous page.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Ominae (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#257953: Oct 17th 2018 at 11:51:41 PM

https://apnews.com/769cefd8364d46a0a13c818d67e25e08

Looks like Trump is now targeting the Universal Postal Union treaty.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#257954: Oct 18th 2018 at 12:04:07 AM

[up]Outdated or not, this won't lead anywhere good. For anyone.

That's one of the more annoying things about this administration. Even when it does something that one could argue might not be a completely shitty idea — looking at and renegotiating very old treaties in light of new advancements in the world — it is clearly being done in the wrong spirit. This sort of thing requires tact, diplomacy, and competence to pull off properly. This administration lacks all of those things. To say nothing of the fact this is only being done to further screw with China. It's a blatant attack.

Disgusted, but not surprised
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#257955: Oct 18th 2018 at 12:25:38 AM

Accidental double post

Edited by megaeliz on Oct 18th 2018 at 3:27:20 PM

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#257956: Oct 18th 2018 at 12:26:49 AM

The irony here is delicious.

College educated women want safety, security and healthcare protections – very much along with financial and economic health for themselves and our Country. I supply all of this far better than any Democrat (for decades, actually). That’s why they will be voting for me!

His utter lack of self awareness shouldn’t surprise me anymore.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#257957: Oct 18th 2018 at 12:27:04 AM

[up]Trumpland never fails to be a very weird and disturbing place.

And no, the lack of self-awareness doesn't surprise me either. It hasn't for years.

Edited by M84 on Oct 19th 2018 at 3:27:35 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Imca (Veteran)
#257958: Oct 18th 2018 at 3:49:47 AM

Been sick so was unable to respond sooner.....

And in this context the "blueing red via colonization" doesn't even make sense, because there are only a few areas of New York that are even competitive, let alone Republican-friendly, and those aren't the ones the gentry are actually interested in. Not as far as I'm aware, anyway.

In addition to what was said about Giuliani already, I live in New York, and I can tell you for a fact red districts are very much a thing. The district right across the road voted in favor of Trump in 2016.

Hell, my neighbors are card carrying alt-reighters who have a "God emperor 45" flag hanging in there living room, it honestly makes me quite uncomfortable and missing of the nice cute gay couple we used to have.

Just because large chunks of the population here votes blue, does not mean that red areas don't exist. Broklyn is about 50/50, Queens is surprisingly about the same. Staten Island in particular is more red then the bible belt, its just that the Bronx and Manhattan tend to drown them in numbers on acount of having 1/3rd of the entire STATE's population.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Please don't reduce the city to a island of blue, it is dangerous and reductive.

[down] Honestly, thats about how I am feeling right now.

Edited by Imca on Oct 18th 2018 at 4:04:50 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#257959: Oct 18th 2018 at 3:53:47 AM

California is similar. It's a really blue state, but there are plenty of parts that are conservative. Which is why I laugh derisively at people who try to paint California as some liberal bastion.

But then, I'm a Californian who isn't shy about pointing out the issues with my state, as much as I love it.

Edited by M84 on Oct 18th 2018 at 6:55:00 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
RainingMetal Since: Jan, 2010
#257960: Oct 18th 2018 at 4:38:06 AM

The alt-right on 4chan and Reddit have taken to calling liberals "NP Cs" as a new form of "sheep".

Does that mean we can call the alt-right Mooks?

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#257961: Oct 18th 2018 at 4:43:05 AM

So, Cohen wants to campaign for the Democrats. I don't know why the Dems would want the public assistance (as opposed to his lawful cooperation with Team Mueller) of a convicted felon and known former Trump enforcer....

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/18/politics/trump-fixer-michael-cohen-transformation/index.html

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#257962: Oct 18th 2018 at 4:56:42 AM

[up][up]I would, except I can't think of any videogame mooks to compare them to where it wouldn't be an Insult to Rocks situation. Except maybe Wolfenstein Nazis, but that'd be a little too on the nose.

[up]If Trump were a more intelligent man, I'd assume this was an Evil Plan of his to try to send a saboteur into the Democratic Party.

Edited by M84 on Oct 18th 2018 at 7:58:05 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#257963: Oct 18th 2018 at 5:53:10 AM

So, Cohen wants to campaign for the Democrats. I don't know why the Dems would want the public assistance (as opposed to his lawful cooperation with Team Mueller) of a convicted felon and known former Trump enforcer....

Because if a former Trump enforcer says that his old boss is rotten then that could be useful, maybe it wouldn't change anything but every little bit could help.

"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
Steven (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#257964: Oct 18th 2018 at 6:09:47 AM

@M84

How about The Goomba?

Remember, these idiots drive, fuck, and vote. Not always in that order.
Ludlow Since: Apr, 2013
#257965: Oct 18th 2018 at 6:51:02 AM

@Raining Metal

Well, that's classical dehumanization of the enemy. Honestly, part of me is legitimately afraid, if a true fascist ever take over the United States I imagine 4Chaners would be perfect recruits for the equivalent of the SS.

At the very least, these are probably the terrorists and school shooters of tomorrow.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#257966: Oct 18th 2018 at 6:57:00 AM

A /pol/ user and prolific Facebook troll (preferred targets being feminists and refugee support groups) shot up a mosque in Quebec City last year. These guys are already becoming a new generation of murderers, the successors to Stormfront, et all.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
#257967: Oct 18th 2018 at 7:01:00 AM

We're at the point where people are going to vote for a dead guy.
Just like to point out, this isn't new. Dead people have been on the ballot before. They've even won before.
What bothers me is the "pick a guy to fill the vacancy after the dead guy wins" part.

At least tell people who you're going to saddle them with beforehand, for Christ's sake.

Given that I don't know all the minutia of Nevada law, it might not be possible to pick the name beforehand. I'd wager the GOP also don't want to discourage their own voters by grabbing a name of someone who hasn't been vetted or who could be subject of some lovely new attack ads by the currently-better-funded DNC. Better for them to wait, and if their dead guy wins the race like they hope, then they can stick in whoever they want and not have to worry about proving him to the voters until the next election, when he'll have the incumbent advantage.

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#257968: Oct 18th 2018 at 7:06:22 AM

[up][up][up][up]Eh, the later games and the RP Gs actually have Goombas who are, if not good guys, characters with sympathetic motives and behaviors.

[up][up][up]They are the shooters and terrorists of yesterday, today, and tomorrow as Rationalinsanity already pointed out.

[up]The only proof I was given so far was a list of widows who succeeded their late husbands' seats. And that's completely different, especially since a bunch of them actually won special elections to get those seats.

Edited by M84 on Oct 18th 2018 at 10:08:57 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#257970: Oct 18th 2018 at 7:20:06 AM

[up]Some of those cases were re-elections and at least one was immediately followed by a special election. The Senator's widow took his seat, and there was a special election for the seat a couple years later.

This particular situation involves a fresh candidate who had not held an office and with no clear successor in mind. Voting for a dead person with no idea who will succeed them aside from the (R) is...it's just weird.

Disgusted, but not surprised
BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
#257971: Oct 18th 2018 at 7:23:28 AM

Voting for a dead person with no idea who will succeed them aside from the (R) is...it's just weird.
Sure it is. But it doesn't change the fact that, on multiple occasions, American voters have picked the dead guy on the ballot over his living opponent. Even if there was a special election to ensure a choice between living candidates, the voters still picked the dead guy first. And this is without going into the documented cases where people have voted for a cat or a tree and they've won the election.

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
TobiasDrake Queen of Good Things, Honest (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
Queen of Good Things, Honest
#257972: Oct 18th 2018 at 7:33:39 AM

Anyone else think that Mc Connell is increasingly looking like the power behind the throne? The guy who is actually responsible for most Republican evilness, with Trump merely being a convenient loud-mouthed lightning rod?

I've been saying since 2015 that he's the single most dangerous Republican in Washington and must not, under any circumstances, be underestimated.

Trump's an uncontrollable wildcard causing him no end of grief through idiocy, but also just a bump in the road. Trump's not here to stay, no matter what aspirations he may have of authoritarianism.

But Mitch isn't leaving until nature comes to claim him. Presidents don't matter half as much as Congressmen and Justices do, because Presidents only come pop in to visit for 4-8 years and then abruptly lose all relevancy. Mitch isn't the power behind the throne. He is the throne.

Trump's just a PR guy.

My Tumblr. Currently liveblogging Haruhi Suzumiya and revisiting Danganronpa V3.
BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
#257973: Oct 18th 2018 at 8:12:32 AM

In news that should shock no one on this forum, Republican voters are more worried about illegal immigration than losing their health care, drug addictions, or stagnant pay.

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Emphasis mine.
Donald Trump embraced his role as a radical nativist from the very beginning of his presidential campaign. Whether it was a conscious strategic decision or a product of his substantial populist instincts is almost beside the point. It was certainly counterintuitive, though, at least from the perspective of the Republican Party’s more centrist wing, which had determined, after Mitt Romney’s defeat in 2012, that the future of the GOP depended on courting the Latino vote through, among other things, a more moderate stance on immigration. Trump took those calls for moderation and threw them out the window. Instead, he gleefully approached the most radical anti-immigrant voices in the conservative movement and carried out a narrative coup. Nativism—the irrational scapegoating of immigrants, of foreigners, of the other—has engulfed the Republican Party’s mainstream agenda and seems to have taken hold of the conversation among its voters.

A recent Pew Research Center poll offers a chilling example of just how skillful Trump has become at exploding his base’s worst impulses and most groundless fears. The poll asked both potential Republican and Democratic voters to identify which issues in the national conversation were “a very big problem” for the United States today. The list of options was long and thorough. Those polled could choose between real challenges for the country like inequality, drug addiction, racism, gun-related violence, ethics in government, or health care access. Those who said they would support a Democratic candidate in next month’s midterm elections chose health care (83 percent) and gun violence (81 percent), and ethics in government (80 percent). Seventy-five percent of Republicans went with … illegal immigration.

The poll is evidence of Trump’s resounding success in pushing the nativist narrative among Republicans. The administration’s emphasis on the supposed multiple risks of illegal immigration has brought the issue to the fore in an increasing number of congressional races in which the debate over sanctuary cities and border enforcement has overshadowed discussion of the country’s economy, or other issues that might have driven the conversation among Republican voters before Trump burst onto the scene.

Most of all, though, the Pew’s poll results are disturbing because immigration is not one of the country’s most pressing problems. Not by a mile.

Consider two of the options that Republican voters chose to dismiss—inequality, for example. With wage growth stagnant, income disparity in America is rising at an alarming rate. The gap between the 1 percent at the top of the county’s income ladder and the 50 percent at the bottom couldn’t be more dramatic. As David Leonhardt has explained, social mobility for low-income Americans has become a fantasy (for the rich, though, living in the United States is quite fantastic). The economic, social, educational, and psychological effects of income inequality are well-known and dramatic. Still, only 22 percent of potential Republican voters identified it as a big problem for the United States.

The list goes on. Drug addiction claims tens of thousands of lives in the United States every year. The number of fatal overdoses has grown exponentially over the last decade and a half: synthetic opioids alone killed 30,000 Americans in 2017. And yet, fewer Republican voters thought of drug addiction as a big problem for the country than illegal immigration. Then there’s gun violence. Even though thousands of Americans are killed every year in gun-related attacks, including the country’s horrendous and recurring mass shootings, a mere 25 percent of Republican voters identify that issue as a “big problem.” Other perhaps less tangible but equally urgent matters, like climate change and how minorities are treated by the country’s criminal justice system, seemed to concern just around 1 in 10 Republican voters.

And what about immigration? The country’s immigration system does present a formidable set of challenges. The backlog of immigration cases in the courts has reached scandalous numbers in the last few years. Legislative paralysis has condemned millions of undocumented immigrants to a fretful limbo, including 800,000 DACA recipients. The administration’s zero-tolerance policy has become a humanitarian crisis and an international embarrassment. And yes, gangs like the MS-13 are dangerous. Still, there is no evidence to support the idea that illegal immigration has become an urgent problem for the United States, much less a national security emergency. As pro-immigration advocates have repeated ad nauseam, various studies suggest that immigrants are considerably less prone to engage in criminal activity than native-born Americans. Take the MS-13. The gang, which originated in the street of Los Angeles, is indeed brutal and merciless, but its numbers throughout the country are far lower than other, similar criminal organizations. Furthermore, despite the administration’s claim to the contrary, the number of recent immigrants from Central America who have been identified as members of the MS-13 is actually quite low (228 in 2017, for example).

Immigration is also not the economic scourge nativists claim it is. On the contrary: Various industries would collapse in the United States without the reliable low-skilled workforce long provided by undocumented immigrants. More than one-quarter of the nation’s farming, fishing, and forestry is done by undocumented workers. Construction? Thirteen percent; 25 percent if you include legal immigrants. Almost 4 in 10 plasterers and stucco masons, for example, are undocumented. Even the impact of low-skilled immigrants on wage depression, long a talking point of anti-immigrant activists, seems to be overblown or outweighed by the practical economic benefits of their work. The problem with low-skilled immigrants to the United States, then, is not some imaginary threat to national security, but rather that the country hasn’t found a way to have a more reliable legal influx of it.

Only the success of the president’s nativist rhetoric explains the disparity between these facts and Republican voters very active and wholly irrational fears of illegal immigration. With the help of conservative news media (Fox News has played its usual dutiful role in amplifying the president’s prejudices), Trump has convinced a large swath of the country’s electorate of the existence of a foreign-born bogeyman. In doing so, he has doubled down on xenophobic fears that, while not new to the American experience, have never really threatened the stability of the nation’s social fabric. They do now. Among Republican voters at least, Donald Trump’s nativist narrative is indeed winning, and that’s a tragedy for us all.

I dislike how the article sneaks around the main point - that the GOP isn't just pushing anti-immigrant message, but openly racist ones. Republican voters unconcerned with income disparities and problems with law enforcement is because they hate non-white people and are convinced that as long as they're better off than someone with dark skin, everything in the country is working as planned.

And in an effort to get people to vote, some folks on twitter are using the now-ancient trick of Rickrolling them to voter registration websites.

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Emphasis mine. Screenshots of some of the tweets at the article link.
I know we’re all wondering how Ariana Grande and Pete Davidson’s historic breakup will affect the upcoming midterm elections. And now we have an answer, kind of: Curiosity about it may have led more people to register to vote. Emphasis on the may!

As a way to encourage voter registration, some Twitter users have been posting, under the guise of celebrity gossip, bit.ly links that lead to vote.org. One purporting to explain the dissolution of Grande and Davidson’s relationship got over 1 million clicks, according to Vice.

That’s on top of the 2.5 million clicks a tweet from the weekend, claiming that Kim Kardashian and Kanye West were divorcing, directed to vote.org.

This kind of link identity fraud is an old internet standby, thanks to Rickrolling, the ancient prank of tricking someone into watching the music video for Rick Astley’s song “Never Gonna Give You Up.” With these tweets, users are trying to harness the power of the Rickroll for good—while maybe also slyly commenting that the populace cares too much about celebrity news (big if true).

The art of the covert vote.org click isn’t particularly advanced: All you have to do is craft a tweet good enough for people to want to click, which is something years of consuming clickbait has trained us all to do. That the link in question goes through a URL shortener like bitly is a bit of an anachronism, because bitly’s heyday has come and gone, but apparently it wasn’t enough of a tell to stop it from fooling millions of users. Hence a bunch of other accounts putting their own spin on the trick voter registration tweet.

How many of these baited-and-switched gossip-seekers actually went on to register to vote is unknown, but with young people among the least likely groups to go to the polls, trying to reach them via tricking them on social media isn’t a bad idea. Democracy!

Of course, with voter suppression and removing people from the voter rolls by the GOP in so many states, these new voters may in fact find their voter registation is both giving them up and letting them down. tongue

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#257974: Oct 18th 2018 at 8:22:39 AM

From the developing What the Fuck Just Happened Today feed:

A federal judge rejected Paul Manafort's request to appear in court wearing a profession suit and instead ordered Manafort to appear in court wearing a prison jumpsuit. "This defendant should be treated no differently from other defendants who are in custody post conviction," said Judge T.S. Ellis III in a sharply worded judicial order. Manafort's attorney requested that his client be allowed to wear street clothing at his hearing on Friday and during all future court appearances, but the judge said Manafort will have to wear the standard dark-green prison jumpsuit.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/17/manafort-court-in-prison-clothing-910679

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#257975: Oct 18th 2018 at 8:35:05 AM

[up] That's actually kind of hilarious, I must admit.


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