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MrAHR Ahr river from ಠ_ಠ Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Ahr river
Oct 7th 2011 at 3:04:37 PM

Merph. I dunno. BR pretty much did everything HG did, and did it better, and I read the crappy manga version.

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CaissasDeathAngel House Lewis: Sanity is Relative from Dumfries, SW Scotland Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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Oct 7th 2011 at 4:46:22 PM

[up][up] No other work has shared the concept of Battle Royale and been good. Series 7 The Contenders, The Tournament, The Condemned, etc...all flawed at best.

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Oct 7th 2011 at 5:50:54 PM

Series 7 was in development before Battle Royale was even released (if anything, it was inspired by reality television). And The Tournament was nothing like Battle Royale. That was closer to Hard Target or The Most Dangerous Game.

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Oct 7th 2011 at 7:44:36 PM

[up][up]Hey, IMO The Hunger Games is a good read and I don't think that there are a lot of people who would compare them in the first place. [up][up][up][up][up] Also, that's you're opinion. Just because you think any work that is similar to Battle Royale doesn't work doesn't mean everyone would agree with you. (and that doesn't mean you must to be right either)

edited 7th Oct '11 7:49:48 PM by PokÚnatic

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CaissasDeathAngel House Lewis: Sanity is Relative from Dumfries, SW Scotland Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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Oct 8th 2011 at 4:02:43 AM

[up]Obviously it's my opinion. Quote me on saying "Mua ha ha ha ha anyone who disgrees me is absolutely unequivocally wrong" please. It's not necessary to preface every comment on a film with "in my opinion", you know. There are a lot of people who would compare HG to BR though - look at the IM Db forums for either one

[up][up] All of these films have The Most Dangerous Game as an influence to some degree. I could go on about the similarities but that would be off-topic.

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Oct 8th 2011 at 7:50:51 AM

Okay, it's just that the following part made it hard for me to believe that you say it isn't just your opinion.

BR ripoffs just do not work, this needs to be accepted!

edited 8th Oct '11 7:52:21 AM by PokÚnatic

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MrAHR Ahr river from ಠ_ಠ Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Ahr river
Oct 8th 2011 at 10:10:45 AM

Well, I've read both hunger games and BR (albeit crappy manga version, I hear the book is better).

Has anyone here read BR, and liked HG better?

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Oct 8th 2011 at 8:31:33 PM

[up]I thought you read the tainted version though.

On a side note, it was September 27th when you said you were halfway though the first book. It was May 19th when you said it wasn't better than twilight. ???

On a side side note, I've seen way more hostility from Battle Royal fans than from Hunger Games fans.

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Oct 8th 2011 at 10:24:59 PM

I consider Battle Royale one of the best books I've read. I thought Hunger Games was okay for young adult writing, not terrible but not great. It had some really awful moments but overall it was at least decent. I don't think HG was an intentional ripoff of BR, I just saw no actual hint of influence in the story itself.

The author has an explanation for how she came up with the story that makes sense, so I'm inclined to believe her.

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MrAHR Ahr river from ಠ_ಠ Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
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Oct 9th 2011 at 7:48:35 AM

[up][up]I read Hunger Games in the only way I could. Summarized with analysis. I honestly could not get through the actual books, the prose was so unbelievably horrible, and the sheer amount of telling was mind boggling.

[up]I don't think anyone thinks it's a rip off in a literal sense. I think it more has to do with the concept "she's doing an idea that another series did ten times better."

edited 9th Oct '11 7:49:23 AM by MrAHR

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terlwyth Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Oct 9th 2011 at 10:45:54 AM

What's next? Tolkien's prose is terrible? Just because it tells more than shows doesn't necessarily mean it will suck.

The point of Hunger Games was for it to be mostly Katniss thinking,and how many people show everything when they think? Sure she gushed a lot about Prim,but hey Prim was the whole reason she sacrificed herself,..of course every time she's in the arena she's gonna mull over why she made that decision.

Though I do have to admit the quality greatly deteriorated after the first book,and it got to the point where actions scenes got kind of muffled (especially in the third book).

But even then it wasn't terrible prose,it was just a little sloppy.

And it's not meant for elitist adults either,it's YA first and YA's only care to know what's going on,if it's worth finding out what happens next,and if the characters are cool enough.

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Oct 9th 2011 at 11:24:28 AM

I didn't think the prose was horrible, but there was a lack of variety in sentence structure and the whole thing felt very stifled. She would tell us she was feeling things, rather than letting us see. Again, very stiff.

Not to mention that a lot of times important things aren't mentioned until they're important, turning what could've been Chekov's Guns into Ass Pulls. Struggling to think of examples, but I remember that bugging me when I read it.

The story and characters are good, though, and it's a fun read.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
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Oct 9th 2011 at 12:14:29 PM

I liked the first book but the others, in my opinion, really lacked in world-building. I had no idea what everything or everybody should look like (that's why I was so surprised when everyone was saying there was a Race Lift in the movie).

Oct 9th 2011 at 2:31:27 PM

Yeah, I agree. The first one was well written, but the second one dropped off a little in quality while the third one leaves a lot to be desired.*

[up]Wait, there's a Race Lift? I didn't really recall the races of the characters except for Rue.

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Oct 9th 2011 at 4:37:58 PM

[up] People are arguing that Katniss is supposed to be non-white because she was described as "olive skinned" apparently.

MrAHR Ahr river from ಠ_ಠ Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Ahr river
Oct 9th 2011 at 5:57:40 PM

The book I read was catching fire, if it helps matters.

Also, Show, Don't Tell is a story telling BASIC. When you tell, you get shit writing. This is fact. I'm not talking about exposition, I'm talking about how one relates to characters. If you disagree, and I mean, REALLY disagree, go to Writer's Block. Make a thread. We'll talk there.

Saying "Sarah is a nice girl." fifty times over would not even be worth one fifth of a scene where Sarah was actually BEING nice.

edited 9th Oct '11 6:12:45 PM by MrAHR

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Buscemi I Am The Walrus from a log cabin
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Oct 9th 2011 at 7:05:28 PM

[up][up] That would make her Sicilian. Am I right?

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Ahr river
Oct 9th 2011 at 8:05:01 PM

Wikipedia to the rescue!

Olive skin describes a skin color range of some individuals, usually from the Mediterranean and some other parts of Europe, Latin America, Middle East and regions of South Asia, Southeast Asia, Central Asia and North Africa.[1] It is also known as skin type 3 and 4 on the Fitzpatrick scale.[2] Named for its green and gold undertones (the color of an olive), it refers to a warm natural skin tone.[3] People with olive skin may have dark hair and dark eyes, but many have blue or green eyes. Due to the naturally moderate amounts of melanin they possess they can normally tan easily, although there are exceptions. This is supported by the fact that dark brown hair colours are prevalent in areas associated with olive skin such as the Mediterranean.[4][5] In olive-skinned people who have had very little exposure to sunlight, the skin is pale but a slight olive hue remains. This distinguishing aspect of the skin type is what contributes to its name and differentiates it from other skin types that also are of naturally tan coloration. Olive skin shows less photoaging than other European skin types, due to higher natural amounts of the brown pigment eumelanin, which offers higher protection from the sun's UV rays,[6][7] although people with olive skin are still required to apply sunblock lotion on their skin when exposed to bright sunlight.

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dRoy Ready to Rant from The Happy Place Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
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Nov 1st 2011 at 5:22:43 AM

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I heard a lot about this series. Two things are putting me off though;

Then again, you never know until you actually read it...

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Bluespade from Fort Worth, Texas Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Nov 1st 2011 at 7:58:41 PM

I read Hunger Games in the only way I could. Summarized with analysis.

Why would you bother doing this? I honestly cannot understand...

What's next? Tolkien's prose is terrible?

Yes.

[up]It's not very much like Battle Royale. It certainly shares some similarities but in actual content and writing style they are vastly different. Unfortunately it is not anywhere close to as good as Battle Royale.

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dRoy Ready to Rant from The Happy Place Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Ready to Rant
Nov 1st 2011 at 9:04:22 PM

[up] I only read the first few volumes of manga adaptation so I can't comment on that.

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Schitzo HIGH IMPACT SEXUAL VIOLENCE from Akumajou Dracula Relationship Status: LA Woman, you're my woman
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Nov 2nd 2011 at 11:34:08 AM

I say bring it on. But yeah, Battle Royale fucking ROCKED!

There's no reason why a premise should never ever be used again ever. It's Been Done is a horrible excuse to keep something from being made.

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Nov 13th 2011 at 10:06:25 AM

Aaaaaand here's the actual poster. I'm most likely god knows how many months late in posting this, but...

Also, is anyone else looking forward to watching Cato's freak-out scene?

edited 13th Nov '11 10:08:33 AM by Abracadavre

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