Doesn't exactly fit the series: Cerebus Ending

Alright, I'm glad that Cerebus is getting love with the snowclones, but this is one case where it may not work. The trope is all about a light series that has a really dark ending, but it specifically says that if the series was dark to begin with, it doesn't count. Cerebus, being the Trope Namer for Cerebus Syndrome, doesn't really fit this, does it?

As far I know (I don't know the series), Cerebus has no example of Knight of Cerebus either. It doesn't matter. In both case, the name is in reference to a previous trope (Cerebus Syndrome), not the work. That way, we can say Cerebus is not the Trope Namer of Cerebus Ending.

Wasn't there already a thread on this, or at least on Knight of Cerebus, for similar reasons?

Might be, I rarely visit this forum. Knight of Cerebus has always kinda bugged me in the same way, now that you mention it.

edited 18th Mar '11 3:51:50 AM by Willbyr

I think this works on a metaphorical level. Cerebus Syndrome is when a work that had a light tone suddenly turns darker. Thus, a Cerebus Ending is when this happens at the very end of a work.

Imagine if the publisher had canceled the Cerebus comic immediately after the syndrome first hit it. Then it would've been an example of this.

I think it's more tolerable to snowclone of something that coined a term that orignated outside our wiki and taken a lfe of it's own, like Mary Sue.

edited 19th Apr '11 2:13:17 PM by DrStarky

Can't we just get rid of this page? It's just a regular downer ending.

Nevermind, thought this was for Cerebus Syndrome.

edited 12th Aug '11 9:38:32 AM by Willbyr

actually, I think the distinction is that this is a deliberate ending. If the publisher had simply stopped publishing Cerebus after it turned dark, that wouldn't have qualified because it wouldn't have been written as an ending.

Note that this comment is neither for nor against the trope as it stands, just a point of clarification.

I think the page is valid. A Downer Ending can be in a work that was already dark and dramatic. A Cerebus Ending is a Downer Ending to a previously light-hearted work. (Such as the Kill Em All ending of Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy.)

It's rather telling that the name doesn't fit when the series in question isn't even an example on the page.

Would Sudden Downer Ending be better?

That would work pretty well.

Jarring Downer Ending? Something to emphasize that it's an abrupt change in tone for the work?

Does it necessarily have to be a Downer Ending or is that Camp Lazlo example just misplaced?

Cerberus Syndrome is a case of a happy comic becoming far more depressing. Even if this has nothing to do with Cerberus, the comic, it has everything to do with Cerberus, the trope. I say it stays.

Since there's no justification for calling the original trope "Cerebus Syndrome," there's particularly little for this one's current name. Sure, rename.

edited 2nd Nov '11 11:31:30 PM by Routerie

Were it not for the way it has caught on (and I think it's a preexisting term, too), I would be advocating the rename of Cerebus Syndrome itself - it's a work-named trope that can have multiple possible meanings - Cerebus underwent both Cerebus Syndrome and a later Creator Breakdown, so someone with no knowledge of the trope might see it as being either one - and people constantly spell it "Cerberus".

Cerebus Syndrome, of course, has caught on massively and it would be shooting this site in the foot to rename it, even if I'm wrong and it isn't a preexisting term. But Cerebus Ending has no such merits going for it, so I think it probably should be renamed.

edited 2nd Nov '11 11:20:25 PM by nrjxll

If we're accepting Cerebus Syndrome as a preexisting term, then why not just tweak this one out of snowclone territory? Cerebus Syndrome Ending works just as well as the current.

Sorry for being so late to this thread, but there is now a single proposition rename crowner for this trope here.

How old is TV Tropes? Cerebus Syndrome (and its sister term First and Ten Syndrome) was coined by Eric Burns of Websnark; the oldest use of the term I can find is from Aug 25, 2004.

edited 9th Jan '12 1:39:35 PM by tbarrie

Everythings Worse With Snowclones.

Bump for backlog clearing. Are we renaming this or do not enough people care?

I think we should cut/merge it. What isn't covered by Cerebus Syndrome, Drama Bomb Finale or Downer Ending?

Calling in favour of rename.