Evolution-Creationism Debates

Thread Hop: I honestly do not know why some people find the idea of a God incompatible with the theory of evolution. Evolution seems like a rather silly issue to get upset about. There are far more pressing issues in the world to address.

edited 28th Sep '11 6:56:10 PM by Pentadragon

Its because they tend to take the bible literally to the point where all life was created the very week of creation.

The idea that God didnt personally create every single life form the week of creation, therefore, is blasphemy.

edited 28th Sep '11 8:29:24 PM by Midgetsnowman

Amen, brother!

I take the bible extremely literally, but I don't presume to understand Genesis. Or Revelation. Those two are weird.

edited 28th Sep '11 8:34:38 PM by Jimmmyman10

Go play Kentucky Route Zero. Now.

That's because genesis consist if tribual origin stories and semihistorical account of same said tribe. Revelations on the other hand is just propaganda against rome written by a man who thought the Christians were being unjustly percusited when their was no percusition to begin with and just weren't playing by the rues.

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The rules were discriminatory against other religions though, you either worshipped as the romans did,( when in rome, etc. etc.) or you got et by lions, or worse.

to the point where... paul? Went through and wrote Corinthians the tell believers how to live around the rules without openly defying a law that would just get them killed for their troubles.

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Genesis contains two different, slightly contradictory creation stories though. How do they rectify that with their belief in biblical literalism?

edited 29th Sep '11 4:46:41 AM by Pentadragon

Actually the Romans let you practice you religion, you just had to join in on the partys when they had their festivals. It was community building. They took it from the Persians. You conquor and area and dot want the people to hate you, let them do what they want but lay down a few ground rules. Saul was a dick before he converted and he was a dick after he converted.

edited 29th Sep '11 5:11:20 AM by vanthebaron

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that's what I meant though. It was still religiously themed, which is understandably uncomfortably close to idol worship.

Either way it was a bit of a problem. And also off topic.

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-goes to make convo to talk about revelations-

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The "parties" were religious ceremonies in honor of the patron deities of Rome and of the divinized Emperors*

. You can see why a monotheist (or an atheist, for that matter) would have a problem with all of this, right?

And Paul was a honest and honorable individual, and quite possibly the brightest mind of his generation. People always cite only that couple of, admittedly, misogynistic passages of him, without regard to the rest of his work or to the fact that the society he lived in was far more misogynistic than our one. But I agree that we might want to make a new thread for this.

edited 29th Sep '11 5:47:37 AM by Carciofus

But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.

<_< Did I say something to impugn paul or something?

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Um I'm an atheist and I think I'd attend a roman party. And "boo fucking who we're monotheist" humor them. They have decided NOT to whipe your nation off the map, show a little respect. Early Christians were selfish bastards. They never stopped to think "um why do they hate us? Could it be the implied cannibalism? Or maybe it's the fact that we refuse to follow any of the small, insegnificent, not-hard-to-follow, rules?"

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This Can Only End Well...

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@Lance:

No, you didn't. Vandebaron did, in post 382.

I will not reply to Vandebaron's last post here, as it looks like we might be quite a bit offtopic.

But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.

You know. Its kind of ironic.

When the christians were a minority, not humoring the romans was a sign of strength in faith. when the christians are now mostly in charge and some of us want to avoid christian holidays, we get advised to "just humor them"

edited 29th Sep '11 6:22:47 AM by Midgetsnowman

Can I just declare this thread Hijacked by Jesus Already?

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Let's try to dis-hijack it. here is a thread I made to continue debating the whole "Romans and persecution" issue.

But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.

@Best Of: Sorry, shouldn't be so hyberbolical about science, which is more eact by nature.

But still, promordial RNA took a lot of time to become single celled organism, and for reasons I stated.

RE: Why christianity and the bible are contradictory. The bible states that man is made in the image of god, that gods laws are for humans, and most church's doctrine states that only humans have souls. If humans as a species have changed, and been different species over time, that presents a problem. Also, it also raises the question why god gives so much attention to a species and society that has been around a relative blink of an eye in the grand scale of the universe and life on earth.

edited 29th Sep '11 8:21:56 AM by JethroQWalrustitty

well, obviously because science is wrong an humans have been around since day 7 of the universe.

Eh, not really. There are plenty of ways to conciliate the undeniable fact that hominids have evolved over time with Christianity.

One, for example, is assuming that God put souls inside primitive men at the opportune moment; and another, which I personally favor, is thinking that once "human" intellects became sufficiently advanced, at least in potentia, their soul (which, following Aquinas, all living beings have) became what is called a rational soul. The whole "in the image of God" thing does not really refer to the physical body, or at least not to it alone, so it's not a problem.

Well, since that whole "Fall of Adam" thing, we are a bit of a special needs species . Also, who is to say that God is not paying just as much attention to everything else, in His way and according to their necessity? And finally, you gotta admit that the human species is, at the very least, a rather peculiar one.

But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.

The platupus is peculiar. Humans are just shaved apes with ellaborate nests and slightly more advanced tools :P

But humans are peculiar, true, being the only observedly intelligent species on the planet. Of course, had the Neantherdal stuck around for longer it might be different. Though likely result would have been either assimmilation or final war at some point.

Apparently, the two species did mingle, and there's Neanderthal DNA in (IIRC) most people on Earth. So some degree of assimilation took place.

Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.

To be fair, humans do have a couple other evolutionary advantages. We're practically built for long distance running and self-aware intelligence is a rather large advantage

We have a huge advantage over any other species: Intelligence.

Monkeys play in the dirt with sticks.

Sometimes, they will realize that these sticks can be used to poke ant-holes.

Humans play in the dirt with sticks.

Sometimes, they will draw out complicated architectural diagrams for buildings designed based on the principles of physics and trigonometry.

Go play Kentucky Route Zero. Now.

After several thousand years of mathematical theoretical development, mind you.

I am now known as Flyboy.