Completely Rewrite: Finnegans Wake

edited 7th Mar '11 6:10:43 PM by DonZabu

"Wax on, wax off..." "But Mr. Miyagi, I don't see how this is helping me do Karate..." "Pubic hair is weakness, Daniel-san!"

The present article has very good inbounds. 1400+. I'm also not sure the Internet needs yet another book report on the topic.

Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty

Yes, but how many of those inbounds were those curious about the book, only to be stymied by what's currently there? This isn't like a trope, where such a number might be more significant, IMO.

Yeah, inbounds aren't nearly as relevant for works pages.

What's precedent ever done for us?

Since someone (or a lot of someones) went to a lot of work to write that description, how about doing something like TranslationTrainWreck where both descriptions are available? That way, we keep the self-demonstrating article, but people who are going 'WTH' can click on the folder for the actual description.

edited 9th Mar '11 9:41:54 AM by followeroferis

"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." Niels Bohr

Seconding that, because you beat me to the suggestion.

Present article: sheer genius. Keep.

If a clearer version is desired, seconding followeroferis; if that's shot down, shimaspawn.

I have devised a most marvelous signature, which this signature line is too narrow to contain.

As long as the result isn't completely self-demonstrating and opaque, I'm fine with preserving what's there now in some form.

The current write up can always be moved to SelfDemonstrating.Finnegans Wake

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.

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That always felt unwieldy to me. Making two copies of the article on the same page sounds fair, but the self-demonstrating part clutters the page and the normal part kills the joke. Not to mention you have to keep both parts of the article in sync.

Maybe we should do something like the Zero Wing page*

: Start out self-demonstrating, then transition to normal speech.

edited 27th Mar '11 10:08:56 PM by Redhead

The new It Just Bugs Me!

I think self-demonstrating material has to be better than it usually is to warrant being in on main. I don't find the obscuration worth it for the interest or humor value, most of the time. I'd like to see it on its own tab in most cases.

edited 24th Mar '11 11:22:31 PM by Camacan

I support giving this article the same approach as Translation Train Wreck.

Agreed with those wanting to move it to the Self-Demonstrating namespace. As intriguing as I find the description as is, I'd really rather be informed in a way that doesn't make me have to leave the site to find info elsewhere.

Insert witty and clever quip here. My page, as the database hates my handle.

But what can we say about the book that isn't on the page and isn't a poorly-written version of the Wikipedia article? You guys want to move the article, but what's going to replace it?

edited 27th Mar '11 10:14:37 PM by Redhead

The new It Just Bugs Me!

The page for a work on this wiki should be geared toward the tropes the work uses. The book-report-type synopsis or summary is extra.

edited 27th Mar '11 10:28:14 PM by Madrugada

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.

Don't we have a summary Namespace anyway?

Fight smart, not fair.

Recap, I know we have. I don't know about Summary.

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.

Analysis we have. I don't think there's a Summary though.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick

Synopsis. A namespace that Needs More Love.

edited 28th Mar '11 2:56:37 AM by MetaFour

I didn't write any of that.

I think that we should keep the present markup and folderize the plaintext description.

Is there enough "we need to change this" general consensus to attach a crowner?

A couple different actions have been proposed, so I think a Page Action crowner would be appropriate. I think we have:

1. Split the self-demonstrating portion into an alternate version of the page at SelfDemonstrating.Finnegans Wake
2. Keep the self-demonstrating portion and add a non-self-demonstrating bit to the page explaining the book in a more legible manner
3. Keep the self-demonstrating portion and add a translation of it in a separate folder
4. Leave the main page as-is and put a non-self-demonstrating version of the page on Synopsis.Finnegans Wake
5. Leave as is

Did I miss anything?

Rhymes with "Protracted."

i'm going with 1

What proportions are being suggested for the option that has both the self-demonstrating and non self-demonstrating on the same page?

For the people who want to keep the self-demonstrating version visible and add a coherent version in a folder, I have to ask, why do you want to hide the part that makes sense and would be helpful to people who aren't already familiar with the work?

What's your objection to using the namespace that is intended for pages that are fun but not necessarily clear and straightforward because they are self-demonstrating?

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.

Why don't we just add a "translation" to the current main article?