Spider-Man General Discussion

I mean, they were also both part of the New Avengers too.

I'd expect there must of been some lampshade hanging of how they didn't work together often despite similar themes.

I think Bendis made quite a few jokes of Peter being offended over Jessica not asking his permission. As far as the Spider-Family stuff goes, I feel like the best inclusion with Jess was that crossover special she had with Gwen and Cindy, Spider-Women. She was given a kind of Big Sister dynamic with those two.

You know, on the subject of Peter's relationship with the others. I feel like the big reason writers avoid doing storylines between Pete and any of the Spider-women is because so many don't know how to do platonic relationships between men and women. Like hell, look at how Slott wrote Peter with Cindy and then Bobbi.

Or Bendis and Jason Latour's Miles and Gwen storyline which immediately started Ship teasing the two before they even had a proper chance to interact.

Edited by Lionheart0 on Mar 2nd 2021 at 3:21:08 PM

But that was during the period when the avengers were giving memberships to anyone and letting anyone open their own branch of the team

I call them the franchising years

For a time, the Avengers were the chain restaurant of heroism

There's also that weird bit where they are trying to force in Jess but are completely ignoring Kaine and Ben despite both being far more relevant to Peter and the spider stuff than Jess is.

Hell Kaine was an Other and can transform into a spider-monster state even.

Now that I think about it, considering how Miles was the only guy on the Spider-Team during Last Remains, they may just be trying to do more female representation here I guess.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 2nd 2021 at 12:21:56 PM

New Avengers is my favorite Avengers years.

Which is why Jess is better than Ben and Kaine. Jess adds to the mythos. Ben and Kaine just drain from existing mythology.

Imagine Jess and Peter vs. Hydra.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Mar 2nd 2021 at 12:27:21 PM

Because Kaine and Ben are Peter's brothers who he has a lot of history and growth with, Kaine and Ben now being completely different people from when they started out, plus Kaine's increased connection to the Spider Totems which is a reoccurring thing.

Vs Jessica being just some random person who happens to use a similar alias to Peter. Jess doesn't add much aside from adding another female Spider-person which is already done with Anya, Silk, and Gwen.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 2nd 2021 at 12:31:17 PM

I keep thinking with so much of Spencer's run getting dedicated to house-cleaning Spider-Man from the past decade and a half of storytelling, he's just biding his time until he finally gets around with what he wants to do with Ben and Kaine.

My preference there is to keep Kaine around as the Scarlet Spider, but Ben is better off getting shelved. I feel like what really screwed Kaine over was not Clone Conspiracy, but all the Superior Spider-Man stuff because it was there that Otto effectively usurped his role as the "Anti Hero Spider-Man."

Jess works more in a spy setting. The current run really went there and it's probably one of the best runs of Spider-Woman.

The one relationship that I really don't understand hasn't been exploited is Anya and Miles. Both latinos of puertorrican descent who live in Brooklyn. It's jarring seeing Brooklyn going to hell every other arc of Miles, and where is Anya? Dunno, with Mayday in the MC 2 verse I guess. In the 5 years since Miles officially moved to 616 they haven't had a single interaction.

Comics should feel ashamed that A CARTOON made this connection and showed them as friends (and maybe more) despite cartoons having a longer production period.

Well the Superior Spider-Man is gone now so Kaine can take his place.

Hey the comics don't know what to do with Anya for over a decade, they aren't gonna start to figure that out now. :V

Yeah I do wish Ahmed would have Anya appear in an arc. Especially when that last arc had Ultimatum and his gang attacking all of Brooklyn and the only hero (outside of Bombshell and Starling) to appear as backup was Captain America.

I've juuuuust started reading Anya's original comics. I've only read the first three or four issues so far, but it's cool. She definitely deserves more to do in the comics.

And yeah, trying to force Jessica Drew into Peter Parker's circle is absurd. Jessica works in very different worlds from Peter. She's been a spy, a private detective (bring back Lindsay Mc Cabe!), and honestly, she even fits the Avengers better than Peter does. Peter's at his best working locally, Jessica's at her best working globally.

Making her work with Peter is just leaving her slumming it, and she's got way cooler slums she can be working in.

That's the nicest thing anyone has ever called Roger Gocking

I admit, the Clone Saga is what killed a 10 year interest in comics from the I was old enough to read.

So I don't have a long affection for Kaine or Ben.

Maybe every now and then.

But not as regular characters.

Unlike Jessica.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Mar 3rd 2021 at 7:55:13 AM

Gwenom vs Carnage

Big development... for the forseeable future, there's going to be two Mary Janes running about in 616, as Em Jay is staying with Gwen, not just that, but she still has a piece of the Carnage symbiote inside of her...the comic is taking some influences from the fate of MJ in the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon

For all the 616 designation seems meant to avoid it being the "prime" Earth like Earth-1 it sure ended up that way. XD

Its a point of contention apparently. Marvel tried to change it to Earth-8 after Secret Wars Again but it did not stick.

Apparently that's a universe where Miles marries Gwen.

I do not get that ship

Gwen Stacy marries Spider-Man.

Just not Peter Parker.

What's not to get?

Its not like Miles has a love interest who is interesting as Gwen either.

Asidr from Ganki.

:)

I think it works in the Spider-Verse-movie incarnation, but I don't feel it in the comics.

Miles' fanbase really dig the prospect of Lana as his endgame.

Lang?

Superman and Wonder Woman is a pretty terrible pairing because there’s nothing to the relationship aside from shallow superficialities, so why is Miles and Gwen any different?

They are not together because of good chemistry of anything, they were together solely because they are the most high-profile spider-subsidiary characters.

Ok but I don’t like Superman and Wonder Woman as a couple either

Exactly.