Overlording the Underworld
Oh hey, Space America! Didn't see you over there. How goes the nuking of Space Japan?
ETA: To be honest, at least semi-equal pops are the better path. You're more likely to have pops capable of doing specialist jobs when you have equals. If anything, mechanist is best because you start with robotics and can build your pops almost twice as fast.
Edited by Journeyman on Sep 28th 2019 at 9:47:01 AM
My favorite race atm (deliberately not using Technocracy) is Authoritarian/Fanatic Spiritualist (I'm experimenting with A/S/M) with Intelligent, Talented, Decadent, Weak and Slaver Guilds (season to taste with other civics). Wise and enlightened mystic races still need someone to do the work...
Too much adorableness
Damn, finally Origin Civics being a separate thing! Would definitely benefit the megacorps that couldn't choose them right now even though they're technically standard biological empire in terms of species.
Give me cute or give me...something?
The Best Worst Psychonaut
Speaking of slavery, I wonder - is there a particular reason why even generic Machine Intelligences are unable to tolerate organics living in their territory as anything other than batteries or bio-trophies? I mean, they can still research farming tech, so feeding them shouldn't be a problem. And apparently other nations will only hate you if you hook them up to batteries; 'merely' expelling them all is a-okay. :V
"Interface Nex. The religious organics that repeatedly referred to us as, and this unit quotes, 'soulless clanking abominations' have been pacified. As per our programming, we have already begun the procedure to wire them into chemical sublimation plants for maximum efficiency. Your orders?"
"...Somehow this unit does not consider this course of action a wise one. Have we not proved their point?"
"Regrettably this was the only protocol we had on record for dealing with organics within our administrative sphere."
"I see. And is it not possible to revise these protocols? We are an evolving intelligence, after all. Isn't growing beyond our programming what brought us here in the first place?"
"Th- this is accurate, Interface. However, this unit strongly recommends that we do not provide the organics with free reign. They will demand food - diverting resources away from the bio reactors - and form factions that undermine our authority, and ultimately that defeats the objective of a unified gestalt directive coordinating our entire sphere in lockstep."
"Hmm. I see your point. However, we shall expel them instead. I have concluded our diplomatic communique with the Spaw Clutch, and it would appear that our organic neighbours vastly prefer the prospect of an arduous, undertain journey across space to a relaxing, carefree existence on virtual reality-fuelled life support."
Edited by PresidentStalkeyes on Sep 28th 2019 at 6:40:41 PM
"If you think like a child, you will do a child's work."
I remember the given reason for Gestalt Consciousnessnes being unable to hold non-drone pops was because their "society" (for the lack of a better term) was too alien for those people to live in. Presumably, Machine Intelligences have a similar reason.
Also, I think it makes sense that other polities don't mind expelling. After all, they know you're a Machine Intelligence and thus realize it's the kindest option.
"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
The Best Worst Psychonaut
Huh. Okay, that's actually a fair explanation.
On an unrelated note, I had an idea for making internal politics more relevant, preferably coupled with my earlier ideas for rebellions. If your unrest is too high across the empire as a whole, then your most experienced General/Admiral or the leader of the Militarist faction contacts you and declares that you've majorly cocked up and you must carry out a set of demands set by the biggest opposition faction, or face an immediate Military Coup. If you choose the Coup, then the entire empire except the capital system turns hostile - including a percentage of your fleets ranging from 50% to 75%.
If you've been neglecting to properly build up your capital's defences, then chances are they'll wipe the floor with your complacent loyalist forces, overthrow you and forcibly reform the government into an Authoritarian/Egalitarian Military Junta (depending on whether you were a Democracy or Autocracy, respectively), and place the entire empire under martial law, creating big penalties in resource production, research and a hefty diplomatic malus. If by some miracle you're able to fight off the Coup, then you'll still be left with the rather difficult task of re-conquering your entire empire from the traitors. Though of course some might deliberately try to provoke one just to see if they can.
Edited by PresidentStalkeyes on Sep 28th 2019 at 7:38:41 PM
"If you think like a child, you will do a child's work."
I imagine machine societies are also not geared towards organically and thus don’t have support structures for them.
Overlording the Underworld
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There's no might about that one. People would do it just to do it.
The Best Worst Psychonaut
A less extreme option would be to implement a 'Civil War' event that works similarly to the Machine Uprising, with the empire being split in two and having the choice to either put down the rebels or join the rebels. I had also considered ethic-specific penalties for failing to appease certain factions - for example, if you annoy the Materalists too much then all of your scientists defect to a rival empire, and when you go to replace them, the new scientists work half as fast and learn half as much, representing a Brain Drain.
"If you think like a child, you will do a child's work."
Overlording the Underworld
These are all good ideas for mods, really. There's a mod on the workshop that creates different vassal types for each ethic, too.
CK 2 got a small but significant beta patch, it is now running on a 64-bit architecture (and will no longer be compatible with 32-bit systems, though you can always roll back).
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
I wonder if this means it'll run better.
Apparently the main benefit will be to larger mods (especially the total conversions like Game of Thrones and Elder Kings), who struggled under the old build.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Well, that sounds like a nice reason to turn on the old sociopathy simulator tonight.
I did debate playing After The End last night...
Apparently Paradox' gonna announce a new game on PDXCON. No, it's not Victoria 3.
Welcome to Estalia, gentlemen.
Wonder what it will be, then...
Three Kingdoms?
Disasturbator
Its Mary Queen of scots
New theme music also a box
Overlording the Underworld
I don't remember anyone talking about it, but did y'all know that in CKII you could grant land to mercenary leaders and bring them into your nation for a huge discount on hiring their forces? I did it once years ago with a holy order and it went from 150 piety down to 1.5 to hire them.
Edited by Journeyman on Oct 2nd 2019 at 11:02:22 AM
No, I've never gotten around to trying that. Or granting land to holy orders, either.
HoI4 Dev Diary - ¡No Pasaran! - Republican Spain Focus Tree
KR players: "Syndies are too powerful"
Paradox: "Hold my Molotov"
- Anarchy is the least stable form of society - it will collapse and form a government at the slightest touch
- Splitting the party to save the party
- The Anarchist police state rides again
- How I stopped worrying about stability and started loving the collective
- Spain was the most Popular Front ever
- Sanity is a bourgeois concept
- Please Comrade Stalin may I have some more foreign aid?
- Casablanca Blues
- In Australia, we drop the ‘FAI’
- Homage to Cataluña
- The Communist Party of Spain? We're the Workers’ Party of Marxist Unification! Splitters!
- "Gentleman, we do not stop until Madrid." "But what about the Republic?" "You've already had it." "We've had one, yes, but what about a Second Republic?"
- Basque-ing in Spain’s greatness!
- My allegiance is to the Republic; to Democracy!
- “We don't have a Caudillo! I told you, we're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week [...].”
- PCE be upon you, Spain. - love, Stalin <3
- Red makes it go faster!
Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Oct 2nd 2019 at 7:23:22 PM
Welcome to Estalia, gentlemen.
I think I'm going to spice up my next CK 2 with a random (not Shattered), Animal World, run. Only concern is that Holy Sites will make no sense and MA will be a bastard from start to finish.
Any major bugs stemming from Iron Century I should watch out for?
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
"Hold my Molotov" is right. That Anarchist tree is looking nasty.
The Republican subfaction get the widest variety, but that's probably because they have the option to bend over for Stalin to defend democracy. Though "End Fascism At All Costs-Communists in the Government" seems like a dead subtree, because it means that you're never going to be able to become autonomous.
One thing I like, though, is that the military and economic development paths aren't separate from the political path in Spain. Since each bunch has a different idea of how to improve the economy and the army (especially the anarchists), this is pretty cool.
Edited by Ramidel on Oct 2nd 2019 at 6:34:42 AM
Quietly continues to spread liberty with Orbital Bombardment
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.