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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#20226: May 19th 2019 at 8:06:13 PM

Dorne's presumably still busy trying to figure out how to rebuild after the Martells were all wiped out. They are probably okay with Bran taking charge for now until they figure out who would be their leader if they ever declared independence.

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CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#20227: May 19th 2019 at 8:09:14 PM

Honestly, the Reach should probably look like a total hodge-podge of independent feudal holdings — like the third of the HRE that wasn't Prussian or Austrian. The army of Highgarden and the army of Horn Hill are both gone. Bronn has no pedigree, no army, and he doesn't have a powerful benefactor like everyone in Dany's court did to give their titles meaning. Bronn realistically should be ruler of Highgarden and nothing else.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
doineedaname from Eastern US Since: Nov, 2010
#20228: May 19th 2019 at 8:11:35 PM

[up][up] Except for the other kid Doran was mentioned as having and Oberyn's other bastards that were mentioned. tongue

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#20229: May 19th 2019 at 8:12:53 PM

I figure Bronn may be keeping the peace in the Reach via mercenary companies, since he used to be one himself. Get some of his Stormcrow friends to help him re-establish the Reach.

Dorne has no interest in splitting off, it seems. Even the Sand Snakes's state coup was of a Targaryen loyalist nature.

Edited by Gaon on May 19th 2019 at 8:13:34 AM

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#20230: May 19th 2019 at 8:13:49 PM

What makes anyone think Bran is going to be King in the books?

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#20231: May 19th 2019 at 8:14:01 PM

[up][up][up]If Oberyn's offspring are in the running, then that'd be even more of a challenge. Because there are probably a lot to pick from.

Edited by M84 on May 19th 2019 at 11:14:16 PM

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CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#20232: May 19th 2019 at 8:15:03 PM

Where would he get the money for mercenaries? Highgarden's treasury was looted. As soon as he can't pay up, he'll have mercenary captains setting themselves up in castles as defiant warlords.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
doineedaname from Eastern US Since: Nov, 2010
#20233: May 19th 2019 at 8:15:32 PM

[up][up]Only five now.

Edited by doineedaname on May 19th 2019 at 11:15:46 AM

lrrose Since: Jul, 2009
#20234: May 19th 2019 at 8:18:10 PM

@TheLibrarian: Because GRRM has said that the show's ending is simliar to how he plans to end the books. And also because King Bran makes little narrative sense in the context of the show given how much he's been Out of Focus.

Edited by lrrose on May 19th 2019 at 11:18:20 AM

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#20235: May 19th 2019 at 8:20:13 PM

That doesn't really fit the Three-Eyed Raven's role, to me. Why would someone like that want to rule a place when if anything they're "above" it?

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#20236: May 19th 2019 at 8:20:32 PM

@The Librarian: Martin said all major characters in the show would end at broadly the same place as they do in the books. Bran becoming King of Westeros seems like a pretty major turn of events that would fit in that, by Martin's statements.

@Crimson Zephyr: Well, Tyrion did say they wanted to incur a national debt, so maybe they can use the coffins of the throne. There may be some of that spare money from the Iron Bank lying around and if not, they can always ask more to back the new Westerosi regime.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#20237: May 19th 2019 at 8:20:38 PM

I believe until proven otherwise Bronn married Tarly's eldest daughter and is now the heir to their power.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#20238: May 19th 2019 at 8:21:54 PM

[up][up]The Iron Bank would definitely like the idea of having control over an entire continent's debt. To say nothing of all of the real estate and investment opportunities.

Edited by M84 on May 19th 2019 at 11:22:28 PM

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#20239: May 19th 2019 at 8:24:19 PM

Plus, if they don't have any interest, Bran can just stare intently at them until they give up.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
doineedaname from Eastern US Since: Nov, 2010
#20240: May 19th 2019 at 8:24:42 PM

Really like how in the end Arya is sailing west to a probable pointless death.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#20241: May 19th 2019 at 8:26:28 PM

She's still got her Faceless mojo. I'm sure she'll manage somehow.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#20242: May 19th 2019 at 8:26:30 PM

Once the Iron Bank has its interests in the Slave Trade exposed, I suspect we're going to see a bit of a run on them.

I don't think that Grey Worm the Khal of Khals is going to be too keen on leaving them alone and the people of Braavos themselves will be appalled.

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CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#20243: May 19th 2019 at 8:26:36 PM

"Well, Tyrion did say they wanted to incur a national debt, so maybe they can use the coffins of the throne. There may be some of that spare money from the Iron Bank lying around and if not, they can always ask more to back the new Westerosi regime."

That would get used up rebuilding King's Landing and reconstructing the Riverlands, the Crownlands, the Westerlands, and the Reach. Not to mention that the huge number of civilians dead not just in the Wars, but during the sack, would mean a critical lack of agricultural output and trade. The amount of capita Westeros needs to rebuild would probably bankrupt the Iron Bank.

The Six Kingdoms and the North honestly should look more like Dark Age Europe than the dawn of a golden age.

Edited by CrimsonZephyr on May 19th 2019 at 11:27:33 AM

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#20244: May 19th 2019 at 8:27:02 PM

Given that Westeros is the Americas equivalent, I fully expect Arya to land on Essos' Eastern side and be confused as fuck.

"Well, Tyrion did say they wanted to incur a national debt, so maybe they can use the coffins of the throne. There may be some of that spare money from the Iron Bank lying around and if not, they can always ask more to back the new Westerosi regime."

That would get used up rebuilding King's Landing and reconstructing the Riverlands, the Crownlands, the Westerlands, and the Reach. Not to mention that the huge number of civilians dead not just in the Wars, but during the sack, would mean a critical lack of agricultural output and trade. The amount of capita Westeros needs to rebuild would probably bankrupt the Iron Bank.

Westeros will benefit from the fact they're within their rights to cancel any debts due to the Iron Banks support of two failed revolutions against the crown. Again, also, the Essos city-state are about to be royally fucked up.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on May 19th 2019 at 8:28:19 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
lrrose Since: Jul, 2009
#20245: May 19th 2019 at 8:27:11 PM

Given everything she survived last week's episode, she's probably immortal. And if Elissa Farman could circumnavigate the globe, so can Arya.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#20246: May 19th 2019 at 8:27:23 PM

Doesn't the Iron Bank specifically refuse to be involved in the slave trade (having been founded by slaves)?

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MattC Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: My own grandpa
#20247: May 19th 2019 at 8:28:02 PM

[up][up][up]Quite possibly in Yi Ti

Edited by MattC on May 19th 2019 at 11:28:31 AM

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CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#20248: May 19th 2019 at 8:28:18 PM

[up][up]They changed it in the show.

Edited by CrimsonZephyr on May 19th 2019 at 11:28:29 AM

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
doineedaname from Eastern US Since: Nov, 2010
#20249: May 19th 2019 at 8:28:23 PM

It was never said she actually did it. Just that another sailor thought it was her ship, but badly damaged.

[up][up][up][up][up] They're not. Grey Worm is sailing to Naath where they're going to die horribly to the Butterfly Fever.

Edited by doineedaname on May 19th 2019 at 11:29:06 AM

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#20250: May 19th 2019 at 8:29:12 PM

Wait, so Bran really IS the King of Westeros? Why?!


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