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** Another is when Rikku visits Treaure Island, only to find it full of Mimics. Despite clearly being the aggressor by way of invading their territory, you're supposed to take Rikku's side against the Mimics and their Mama.

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** Another is during "Treasure Island, Ahoy!" and "I Hate Lightning!" when Rikku visits Treaure Island, the titular island, only to find it full of Mimics. Despite clearly being the aggressor by way of invading their territory, you're supposed to take Rikku's side against the Mimics and their Mama.the Mimic Queen.

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** First up is "The Ice Bridge", where Refia and Sherlotta ask ''Shiva'' to make an ice bridge, with Sherlotta being very aggressive about it when she goads the Mirage by calling her second-tier when she refuses. Unfortunately, you can't throw the battle to let Sherlotta get frozen by Shiva for her sass once you're force to battle her.

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** First up is "The Ice Bridge", where Refia and Sherlotta ask ''Shiva'' to make an ice bridge, with Sherlotta being very aggressive about it when she goads the Mirage by calling her second-tier when she refuses. Unfortunately, you can't throw the battle to let Sherlotta get frozen by Shiva for her sass once you're force forced to battle her.her.
*** Sherlotta gets another case of this in "Never Cross the Boss" when she and Refia beat up the Undead Princess and essentially get her to basically ''hustle customers to her inn'' (not that Undead Princess doens't mind, being bored anyway), the results of which can be seen in the Intervention Quest "A Grudge That Won't Budge".
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* UnintentionalyUnsympathetic: A few of the Intervention Quests can make you feel bad for whom you're supposed to be kicking the butts of.
** First up is "The Ice Bridge", where Refia and Sherlotta ask ''Shiva'' to make an ice bridge, with Sherlotta being very aggressive about it when she goads the Mirage by calling her second-tier when she refuses. Unfortunately, you can't throw the battle to let Sherlotta get frozen by Shiva for her sass once you're force to battle her.
** Another is when Rikku visits Treaure Island, only to find it full of Mimics. Despite clearly being the aggressor by way of invading their territory, you're supposed to take Rikku's side against the Mimics and their Mama.
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SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: [[AwesomeMusic/FinalFantasy Did you expect anything less from this franchise]]?

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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: [[AwesomeMusic/FinalFantasy Did you expect anything less from this franchise]]?
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* UncannyValley: The ending credits dance sequence is adorable, but the way the textures are rendered on the Lilikins can come off as a little off-putting.

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* CrossesTheLineTwice: A lot of Reynn and Tama's treatment of Lann can reach this. The two very often make jabs at his stupidity and incompetence, some of which are rather meaning, and they mock him more when he doesn't even understand they were insulting him. Then Lann says or does something to remind players he really ''is'' that stupid and incompetent.

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* CrossesTheLineTwice: A lot of Reynn and Tama's treatment of Lann can reach this. The two very often make jabs at his stupidity and incompetence, some of which are rather meaning, and they mock him more when he doesn't even understand they were insulting him. Then Lann says or does something to remind players he really ''is'' that stupid and incompetent.incompetent sometimes, and in such cases he has it coming.
* DesignatedVillain: Ifreeta and Shivalry. The game treats the two of them coming into Grymoire as a horrible crisis, and the Who's Who refers to them as "''really'' bad apples". But when they appear they're no more dangerous or hostile than any other Mirage, and Shivalry is actually heroic. This may be intentional -- Ifrit and Shiva dislike them more for personal reasons than them being dangerous, and the manner in which they manifested in Grymoire ([[spoiler:having to resort to human sacrifice]]) is itself pretty bad.
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* AngstWhatAngst: When the twins' missing memories returned to them, they do suffer from MyGodWhatHaveIDone for a brief bit, but in random battle's they're still joking and bantering with no sign that this is just an act they uphold for each others' sake and then the ResetButton is mashed with great haste with zero permanent effect on gameplay.

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* AngstWhatAngst: When the twins' missing memories returned to them, Lann and Reynn have almost no memories; from their perspective they do suffer from MyGodWhatHaveIDone work up one morning and found everyone in town had disappeared, and a mysterious woman claiming to be god and a talking fox tell them to go to an alternate dimension to fight and imprison monsters. And for the most part they treat it as a brief bit, but in random battle's they're still joking fun adventure and bantering with constantly banter and chat like nothing is unusual about this at all. While we see Reynn ''does'' have some hesitation about things, there's no sign that this is she's a StepfordSmiler putting on an act, she seems just an act as enthusiastic about traveling Grymoire as Lann is, she just doesn't accept everything she's told at face value and tries to ponder things out. [[spoiler:Even after the Cogna are unleashed and they uphold regain their memories, they continue to bicker and make jokes frequently and only get serious when the mood around them calls for each others' sake and then the ResetButton is mashed with great haste with zero permanent effect on gameplay.it.]]
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* FanficFuel: As if other ''Final Fantasy'' games and ''Kingdom Hearts'' weren't already providing enough fuel for the idea, the game suggests that ''all'' Square Enix properties (or at least those two plus ''Xenogears'' and ''Sigma Harmonics'') are part of a multiverse called the "Extraverse".
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* ThatOneBoss: Brandelis, in all his forms -- even for the BigBad, he is merciless. He always has a ton of HP, is ridiculously fast (so much so that even with Haste, your party members will barely keep up with him), gets faster as his HP decreases, and is immune to all status ailments and has no elemental weaknesses. In his first two fights he has Dispelga to remove your buffs anytime he likes, numerous elemental party-hitting attacks (so the odds are high that he has ''something'' to hit your elemental weaknesses), and non-elemental attacks too. Even as the FinalBoss he doesn't let up, with "Arcarmament" attacks that deal heavy damage in his first form, and in his second form he has tier-four magic, status attacks, attacks to topple your stacks, Megaflare Cannon to deal heavy damage to the party, and as his HP decreases the turn countdown to when he uses Megaflare Cannon decreases too.

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* GameBreaker: In the ''Maxima'' version of the game, players can imprism a new Mirage, Dramut, either in a Murkrift on the Rainbow Shore or in a Coliseum battle. It's a Small Mirage, so it can be used in either Jiant or Lilikin stacks; it learns Fire, Blizzard, Thunder, and Light Flare (basically a weaker version of Flare); it has the support abilities Sizzle, Chill, Zap, ''and'' Stroll; it has three blank spots to put more abilities in; and it doesn't transmogrify into anything, so its board can be mastered fairly early. Also, the fact it learns all three base elemental spells means that it can be used to create powerful stack abilities, including Flare and Meteor. Dramut makes almost every other Small Mirage obsolete and will be powerful right into the endgame.

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** The passive ability "Strategic AP Hike" restores AP to the user when they hit an enemy's elemental weakness, and if multiple Mirages in a stack have it, the effect ''stacks''. Depending on the AP cost of the ability, it's possible to regenerate more AP than you spent to attack in the first place. The only mitigating factor is that the ability is only on a handful of Mirages, but one of them is the Baby Paleberry (which can be acquired very early in the game), and Shantotto's Mirajewel also has it for Reynn.
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In the ''Maxima'' version of the game, players can imprism a new Mirage, Dramut, either in a Murkrift on the Rainbow Shore or in a Coliseum battle. It's a Small Mirage, so it can be used in either Jiant or Lilikin stacks; it learns Fire, Blizzard, Thunder, and Light Flare (basically a weaker version of Flare); it has the support abilities Sizzle, Chill, Zap, ''and'' Stroll; it has three blank spots to put more abilities in; and it doesn't transmogrify into anything, so its board can be mastered fairly early. Also, the fact it learns all three base elemental spells means that it can be used to create powerful stack abilities, including Flare and Meteor. Dramut makes almost every other Small Mirage obsolete and will be powerful right into the endgame.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Many of the ''Final Fantasy'' characters in the game aren't available to use as Champion Medals, including the likes of Rydia, Faris, Edgar, Quistis, Rikku, and Sherlotta. The ''Maxmima'' version makes this more egregious by adding more Champion Jewels for the new characters added, but ''doesn't'' make them usable as Champions Medals. Since adding more Champion Jewels was clearly an option, there was no reason they couldn't have had Champion Medals as well.

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** Enna Kros is introduced in the game's prologue and sets the twins on their adventure. After this she completely disappears from the story until the ending, and in the ''Maxima'' version she's [[spoiler:a post-game BonusBoss]]. Especially since late in the game Tama and Serafie explain that [[spoiler:Brandelis and the Exnine Knights are basically Enna Kros/Alexander's [[ArchEnemy arch-nemeses]]]], it really seems she ought to be more directly involved in the plot.
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Many of the ''Final Fantasy'' characters in the game aren't available to use as Champion Medals, including the likes of Rydia, Faris, Edgar, Quistis, Rikku, and Sherlotta. The ''Maxmima'' version makes this more egregious by adding more Champions with Champion Jewels for the new characters added, to go with them, but ''doesn't'' make them usable as Champions Medals. Since adding more Champion Jewels was clearly an option, there was no reason they couldn't have had Champion Medals as well.

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* TastesLikeDiabetes: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh5DtQoIYIk&t=18s The Dance in the ending credits]], so much.
* TearJerker: [[spoiler:Lann's sacrifice and the (albeit fake) ending that follows.]]

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* TastesLikeDiabetes: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh5DtQoIYIk&t=18s The Dance in the ending credits]], so much.
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* GameBreaker: In the ''Maxima'' version of the game, players can imprism a new Mirage, Dramut, either in a Murkrift on the Rainbow Shore or in a Coliseum battle. It's a Small Mirage, so it can be used in either Jiant or Lilikin stacks; it learns Fire, Blizzard, Thunder, and Light Flare (basically a weaker version of Flare); it has the support abilities Sizzle, Chill, Zap, ''and'' Stroll; it has three blank spots to put more abilities in; and it doesn't transmogrify into anything, so its board can be mastered fairly early. Also, the fact it learns all three base elemental spells means that it can be used to create powerful stack abilities, including Flare and Meteor. Dramt makes almost every other Small Mirage obsolete and will be powerful right into the endgame.

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* GameBreaker: In the ''Maxima'' version of the game, players can imprism a new Mirage, Dramut, either in a Murkrift on the Rainbow Shore or in a Coliseum battle. It's a Small Mirage, so it can be used in either Jiant or Lilikin stacks; it learns Fire, Blizzard, Thunder, and Light Flare (basically a weaker version of Flare); it has the support abilities Sizzle, Chill, Zap, ''and'' Stroll; it has three blank spots to put more abilities in; and it doesn't transmogrify into anything, so its board can be mastered fairly early. Also, the fact it learns all three base elemental spells means that it can be used to create powerful stack abilities, including Flare and Meteor. Dramt Dramut makes almost every other Small Mirage obsolete and will be powerful right into the endgame.


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* SlowPacedBeginning: A common criticism of the game among reviewers and fans is the pacing of the story. The first half of the game is spent setting up plot points to be explored, but doesn't really go into detail on them, so things move along at a slog with neither the characters nor the narrative getting more development. It isn't until [[WhamEpisode Chapter 20]] hits that the story really kicks into high gear, and it does so in the form of {{Info Dump}}s that can feel like the game is trying to make up for lost time squeezing all the plot into its back end.
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** The Four Stars Intervention: Sunken Temple's Secret Quest about Shantotto and Cenchos plays like this if you try to game the system. Shantotto is meant to be a HopelessBossFight, but is technically defeatable and has scripted drops. She does, however, have three times as much HP as '''XG''', and defeating her means you go into the consequent battle with Cenchos at the HP and AP levels you won the fight with instead of starting at full HP.

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** * TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Many of the ''Final Fantasy'' characters in the game aren't available to use as Champion Medals, including the likes of Rydia, Faris, Edgar, Quistis, Rikku, and Sherlotta. The Four Stars Intervention: Sunken Temple's Secret Quest about Shantotto and Cenchos plays like ''Maxmima'' version makes this if you try to game more egregious by adding more Champion Jewels for the system. Shantotto is meant to be a HopelessBossFight, new characters added, but is technically defeatable and has scripted drops. She does, however, ''doesn't'' make them usable as Champions Medals. Since adding more Champion Jewels was clearly an option, there was no reason they couldn't have three times had Champion Medals as much HP as '''XG''', and defeating her means you go into the consequent battle with Cenchos at the HP and AP levels you won the fight with instead of starting at full HP.well.

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*CompleteMonster: [[BigBad Brandelis]] is the King of Bahamut and a member of the Exnine Knights, a group dedicated to destroying worlds ruled by their ArchEnemy Alexander. When Lann and Reynn open the Ultima Gate and release Brandelis into Grymoire, his forces spend the next hundred years [[YourSoulIsMine extracting the souls]] of Grymoire's people, using them to power their fortress while their bodies become vessels for Brandelis's minions to cross over with. When Lann and Reynn return, Brandelis tricks them into opening the Ultima Gate again, unleashing [[MechaMooks the Cogna]] on Grymoire to cause mass destruction and death. Even in defeat, Brandelis refuses to go quietly and [[TakingYouWithMe attempts to take the heroes with him]] as he's dragged back through the Ultima Gate. A cruel and vicious warlord who prefers to brutally annihilate his enemies over less-violent options, Brandelis is a genocidal fiend who would conquer and destroy all of Alexander's worlds if he could, and does so proudly.
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* CrossesTheLineTwice: A lot of Reynn and Tama's treatment of Lann can reach this. The two very often make jabs at his stupidity and incompetence, some of which are rather meaning, and they mock him more when he doesn't even understand they were insulting him. Then Lann says or does something to remind players he really ''is'' that stupid and incompetent.
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* GameBreaker: In the ''Maxima'' version of the game, players can imprism a new Mirage, Dramut, either in a Murkrift on the Rainbow Shore or in a Coliseum battle. It's a Small Mirage, so it can be used in either Jiant or Lilikin stacks; it learns Fire, Blizzard, Thunder, and Light Flare (basically a weaker version of Flare); it has the support abilities Sizzle, Chill, Zap, ''and'' Stroll; it has three blank spots to put more abilities in; and it doesn't transmogrify into anything, so its board can be mastered fairly early. Also, the fact it learns all three base elemental spells means that it can be used to create powerful stack abilities, including Flare and Meteor. Dramt makes almost every other Small Mirage obsolete and will be powerful right into the endgame.
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* UncannyValley: The ending credits dance sequence is adorable, but the way the textures are rendered on the Lilikins can come off as a little off-putting.
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* HilariousInHindsight: ''WebAnimation/PokemonRusty'' already used the whole 'have-your-mons-stack-together-to-fight-others' concept back in 2014 (in the [[https://youtu.be/jNI7yT_cGGM Battlehaus episode]], where Rusty was being taught the battle styles the facility uses). Square Enix just took the concept and based a whole game around it.

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* FridgeBrilliance: [[spoiler: Eiko showed up at Cornelia during one of the intervene quests when the Cogna arrived. For those who don't look into secrets in Final Fantasy games, it won't make sense why Eiko is seen with Princess Sarah. But if they do, they will know the Easter Egg. What is Princess Garnet's a.k.a. Dagger's real name?]]

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* FridgeBrilliance: [[spoiler: FridgeBrilliance:
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Eiko showed up at Cornelia during one of the intervene quests when the Cogna arrived. For those who don't look into secrets in Final Fantasy games, it won't make sense why Eiko is seen with Princess Sarah. But if they do, they will know the Easter Egg. What is Princess Garnet's a.k.a. Dagger's real name?]]name?]]
**As stated on [[Characters/WorldOfFinalFantasy the Character page,]] [[spoiler:Brandelis in his final form [[TheComputerIsACheatingBastard speeds up his ATB as his HP goes down,]] with no visible indication at all (as in it's not a buff he needs to cast on himself - it just ''happens''). Recall that in-story, he has the power to [[MyRulesAreNotYourRules ignore and even rewrite the rules of the worlds he invades;]] his abrupt speed increases can easily be seen as yet another example of him breaking the rules of the world (game) he's currently in.]]
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** [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXII Balthier]], since up until then the game had absolutely nothing from ''Final Fantasy XII''.

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** [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXII Balthier]], since up until then the game had absolutely nothing from ''Final Fantasy XII''.XII''.
* {{Woolseyism}}: The exchange in Besaid that leads up to Lann mimicking the infamous laughing scene from ''X'' is only in the English audio track.
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** The Four Stars Intervention: Sunken Temple's Secret Quest about Shantotto and Cenchos plays like this if you try to game the system. Shantotto is meant to be a HopelessBossFight, but is technically defeatable and has scripted drops. She does, however, have three times as much HP as '''XG''', and defeating her means you go into the consequent battle with Cenchos at the HP and AP levels

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** The Four Stars Intervention: Sunken Temple's Secret Quest about Shantotto and Cenchos plays like this if you try to game the system. Shantotto is meant to be a HopelessBossFight, but is technically defeatable and has scripted drops. She does, however, have three times as much HP as '''XG''', and defeating her means you go into the consequent battle with Cenchos at the HP and AP levelslevels you won the fight with instead of starting at full HP.
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%%* BaseBreakingCharacter: As per tradition for Final Fantasy games, both main characters get this.

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%%* * BaseBreakingCharacter: As per tradition for Final Fantasy games, both main characters get this.this. Some see both Lann and Reynn as either a charming and comedic duo or obnoxiously stupid (Lann) and borderline abusive (Reynn).
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: As per tradition for Final Fantasy games, both main characters get this.

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* %%* BaseBreakingCharacter: As per tradition for Final Fantasy games, both main characters get this.
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** The intervention quest "The Five Cogna Lords: Figaro" requires you to play basically Battleship on a 5x5 board. You don't need to beat it to continue the story, but to get the Maduin Memento you have to beat it in 20 turns or less, without losing a single unit (your enemy's turns are included in that number, but since you can only win on your turn, you've effectively only got 10 turns). You and your enemy both have three units, with 1, 2 and 3 hp each, meaning you only have 4 spare turns to actually look for the enemy, as you need the other six to actually take down all their hp. It's so infamous that the notes on the ''Maxima'' expansion specifically state they made this mini-game easier.

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** The intervention quest "The Five Cogna Lords: Figaro" requires you to play basically Battleship on a 5x5 board. You don't need to beat it to continue the story, but to get the Maduin Memento you have to beat it in 20 turns or less, without losing a single unit (your enemy's turns are included in that number, but since you can only win on your turn, you've effectively only got 10 turns). You and your enemy both have three units, with 1, 2 and 3 hp each, meaning you can only have 4 spare turns to actually look for the enemy, missing four times, as you need the other six to actually take down all their hp. It's so infamous that the notes on the ''Maxima'' expansion specifically state they made this mini-game easier.
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** The intervention quest "The Five Cogna Lords: Figaro" requires you to play basically Battleship on a 5x5 board. You don't need to beat it to continue the story, but to get the Maduin Memento you have to beat it in 20 turns or less, without losing a single unit (and since you can only win on your turn, you've effectively only got 10 turns). You and your enemy both have three units, with 1, 2 and 3 hp each, meaning you only have 4 spare turns to actually look for the enemy, as you need the other six to actually take down all their hp. It's so infamous that the notes on the ''Maxima'' expansion specifically state they made this mini-game easier.

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** The intervention quest "The Five Cogna Lords: Figaro" requires you to play basically Battleship on a 5x5 board. You don't need to beat it to continue the story, but to get the Maduin Memento you have to beat it in 20 turns or less, without losing a single unit (and (your enemy's turns are included in that number, but since you can only win on your turn, you've effectively only got 10 turns). You and your enemy both have three units, with 1, 2 and 3 hp each, meaning you only have 4 spare turns to actually look for the enemy, as you need the other six to actually take down all their hp. It's so infamous that the notes on the ''Maxima'' expansion specifically state they made this mini-game easier.
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** The intervention quest "The Five Cogna Lords: Figaro" requires you to play basically Battleship on a 5x5 board. You don't need to beat it to continue the story, but to get the Maduin Memento you have to beat it in 20 turns or less, without losing a single unit. You and your enemy both have three units, with 1, 2 and 3 hp each, meaning you only have 14 spare turns to actually look for the enemy, as you need the other six to actually take down all their hp. It's so infamous that the notes on the ''Maxima'' expansion specifically state they made this mini-game easier.

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** The intervention quest "The Five Cogna Lords: Figaro" requires you to play basically Battleship on a 5x5 board. You don't need to beat it to continue the story, but to get the Maduin Memento you have to beat it in 20 turns or less, without losing a single unit. unit (and since you can only win on your turn, you've effectively only got 10 turns). You and your enemy both have three units, with 1, 2 and 3 hp each, meaning you only have 14 4 spare turns to actually look for the enemy, as you need the other six to actually take down all their hp. It's so infamous that the notes on the ''Maxima'' expansion specifically state they made this mini-game easier.
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* PolishedPort: The Maxima port for the Switch is a portable version of the console releases, but with added content (which can be bought as DLC for other versions, but still). The Sora DLC isn't on the Switch version, though.
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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: In a dialogue exchange in Nine Woods Hills, after Tama explains about Mirage Mastery, the characters- one-by-one- break down laughing over the idea of "Master" Lann. It gets so contagious that Enna Kros randomly pops in and asks if she really chose the right people to save Grymiore before joining in the laughing too. It is, of course, never brought up again.

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