History YMMV / UminekoWhenTheyCry

* EndingFatigue: Episode 7's Tea Party is a prime offender of this for many readers.

* SugarWiki/HeReallyCanAct:
** Regardless of the sympathy her characters inspire, the double performance of Creator/MikiIto in the roles of [[RichBitch Eva Ushiromiya]] and her teenage version EVA-Beatrice is often highly praised by many fans. Especially because of the remarkable vocal versatility with which she manages to pass from the seductive voice of a mature woman to that of a capricious brat in a few moments.

** "So, what did you think of the anime?" ... Yeah, just do everyone a favor and don't ask.

** Also [[spoiler: [[TheUnreveal some people being dissatisfied with the series' open ending not fully answering what really happened.]] ]]
*** One of the arguments that gets ugly is when [[spoiler: deciding whether or not this series was a mystery to begin with.]]
** Another topic that's best not to bring up within the fandom is what Lion[[spoiler:/Yasu]]'s gender is.

*** Related, the confirmation of a new Chiru episode in 2017 hasn't been taken well by everyone, as it leads many to believe that what has been regarded for quite some time as a solved mystery may now open the door to new secrets, and thus arguments.

* ProlongedPrologue: Episode 2 suffers from this, as you spent several hours following the love woes of Shannon and Kanon before the game even starts. Although it helps that Beatrice plays her role of Magnificent Bitch delightfully during that part, and it benefits from how relevant it is.

* BaseBreakingCharacter: All of the siblings to some extent.
* Krauss was absolutely awful to his siblings and even his wife and child to some extent, but he's the only member of the family who never seriously harmed anyone.
* Natsuhi has serious TheWoobie traits, but she also threw an innocent baby off a cliff during a nervous breakdown.
* Eva especially. Was Eva-Beatrice a tulpa based around other people's theories about her a la Battler, or the representation of her inner-most thoughts and feelings? Was she a WellIntentionedExtremist who sacrificed herself to protect Ange, or was she merely taking her rage about out on her?
* Rosa. She's considered a MemeticBadass MamaBear based on her actions in [=EP2=], [[spoiler: where she fends off a horde of goat butlers using a shotgun and a gold ingot in her purse in order to protect herself and her daughter, which is one of the times where Rosa demonstrates that she sincerely loves Maria and is legitimately sorry for her abusive behavior]], and a horribly AbusiveParent sarcastically called "World's Best Mother" by the fans for the way she treats Maria and gets what she deserves any time she's killed, [[spoiler: especially in [=EP4=] when Maria uses her new witch abilities to kill Rosa over and over again after she destroys Sakutaro, all the while Rosa is screaming she never loved Maria. This scene is implied to be AllJustADream, so it could be that deep down Maria is afraid that Rosa really doesn't love her.]] Given the fact that [[spoiler: the Ushiromiya Family is intentionally being displayed at their worst on the island, instead of being like that all the time, and that some of their actions are the result of twisted gossip]], it's safe to assume that Rosa does indeed have legitimate love for Maria, but that love is very conflicted and could either persevere over hatred or shatter completely given the course of events.

* EvilIsSexy:
** [[spoiler:Bernkastel]]. Well... Not her, completely, but in situations where she displays her cruel and playful antics coupled with her twisted personality, she certainly is! [[http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=748995Joker201301425cYUEp812.jpg And some chapter covers do it justice.]] [[note]]the text in the middle: "Do you want to lick too? It's the taste of humiliation."[[/note]]
** Judging from the fandom's reactions to him, [[EvilCounterpart Black Battler]].

* Eva especially. Even if Eva-Beatrice was a tulpa based around

* BaseBreakingCharacter:
** Rosa. She's considered a MemeticBadass MamaBear based on her actions in [=EP2=], [[spoiler: where she fends off a horde of goat butlers using a shotgun and a gold ingot in her purse in order to protect herself and her daughter, which is one of the times where Rosa demonstrates that she sincerely loves Maria and is legitimately sorry for her abusive behavior]], and a horribly AbusiveParent sarcastically called "World's Best Mother" by the fans for the way she treats Maria and gets what she deserves any time she's killed, [[spoiler: especially in [=EP4=] when Maria uses her new witch abilities to kill Rosa over and over again after she destroys Sakutaro, all the while Rosa is screaming she never loved Maria. This scene is implied to be AllJustADream, so it could be that deep down Maria is afraid that Rosa really doesn't love her.]] Given the fact that [[spoiler: the Ushiromiya Family is intentionally being displayed at their worst on the island, instead of being like that all the time, and that some of their actions are the result of twisted gossip]], it's safe to assume that Rosa does indeed have legitimate love for Maria, but that love is very conflicted and could either persevere over hatred or shatter completely given the course of events.
** Fans may garner sympathy for Kinzo whose {{Jerkass}} tendencies to his children and grandkids dated back to during his youth, when he was forced into an loveless ArrangedMarriage and had children against his will, which made him have a jaded view on life and became a DeathSeeker as World War II hits. That is, until meeting [[spoiler:Beatrice Castiglioni]], who gave him a chance to live and love her but then she dies in hiding after giving birth to their own baby daughter, whom Kinzo named [[spoiler:Beatrice II]] and raised her in secret on Rokkenjima. As she grew up into a young lady. Kinzo became deluded that she's the reincarnation of his mistress and [[spoiler: raped her]], causing fans who were appalled by his unforgivable action to hate him, especially as he indirectly started the real tragic event of the Rokkenjima murders in 1986. On the other hand, his depiction in the [=EP8=] game as a CrazyIsCool but kind, loving grandfather who fully understands and regrets the error of his ways, and a GunNut against the goat servants, does win him back some fans.
** [[RichBitch Eva]] (and by extension [[AxCrazy Eva-Beatrice]]) became this after it is discovered that she did what she did to Ange only to protect her from the AwfulTruth by [[SilentScapegoat making her believe that she was actually a monster as society painted her]]. While her intentions may even be considered noble for some of her fans, others continue to [[AbusiveParent condemn]] [[FemaleMisogynist her]] character for [[BigSisterBully her]] [[EducationMama highly]] [[PassiveAggressiveKombat questionable]] [[StealthInsult actions]].

** [[spoiler: Realizing the implications of what Tohya Hachijo's (potentailly accidentally) implied death at the end of [=EP8=] would do to poor Ange, Ryukishi clarified in the final character profiles released in 2013 that he actually survived, which was made explicit by the manga adaptation two years later.]]

** Hideyoshi is ''sloooowly'' becoming one. In fact, the fandom's displeasure about him not having any CharacterDevelopment is becoming a sort of meme.

** [[spoiler: Sayo "Yasu" Yasuda]], too. While [[spoiler: s/he]] has massive, '''massive''' reasons to be the person [[spoiler: s/he]] is ([[spoiler: or better said, person'''s''']]), many fans seem to believe [[spoiler: s/he]] is ~perfectly justified~ to [[spoiler: go kill everyone]] and no one should criticise [[spoiler: him/her]], thinking that [[spoiler: the terrible life they have led]] should be enough oif a reason to completely leave them off the hook for [[spoiler: his/her]] own actions.

* ''VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry'':

** Eva is sometimes theorized to be suffering from a mild form of borderline personality disorder, given her impulsiveness and her HairTriggerTemper. There's also her habit of idealizing herself, her father, her husband and her son and, at the same time, devaluing [[BigSisterBully her siblings]] and their families (especially [[StrugglingSingleMother Rosa]] and [[TheWomanWearingTheQueenlyMask Natsuhi]]), with whom [[CainAndAbel she has a highly dysfunctional and unstable relationship]].

* MagnificentBitch:
** Featherine Augustus Aurora the Majestic Witch of Theatregoing, Drama and Spectating is the master of Bernkastel who's interest in the Cat Box of Rokkenjima cause her to orchestrate her mikos scheme. Soughing tales to relieve her never ending boredom, Featherine latest interest was the tale of the Golden Witch Beatrice, sending Bernkastel to uncover her many mysteries while in the shadows she tries solving it herself as her human form Ikuku Hachijo by deceiving Ange. Giving the Game Master role to Bernkastel and learning the truth, Featherine plans to share it to the world, steering Ange with her miko to unseal the Book of One Truth, while using her forces against those in her way including beating Lambdadelta herself. Fascinated by Ange and Battler’s resolve in the final battle against Bernkastel, Featherine decides to concede after they won her respect and defeated Bernkastel, satisfying her boredom and restoring the Golden Land and their allies as she promise before in the real world, sending a scatting attack to their offenders defending their honor before using her power to protect the Golden Land by making sure no one can interfere their tale again.
** Lambdadelta, the Witch of Certainty is the Witch Guardian of Beatrice, responsible for the creation of Beatrice's Game Board. Intrigue by Beatrice's magic system for the Rokkenjima massacre, Lambda decided to grant her powers as a Witch, giving her domain for her Game Board. Secretly using it to lure her lover Bernkastel, Lambda manipulated Battler and Ange to force an eternal draw with Bernkastel, only failing due to Beatrice giving up, and Lambda with Bernkastel force to usurp Beatrice, stealing the Game Master role. In charge, Lambda challenge Bernkastel and Battler to solve her game for her amusement, conceding the victory to Bernkastel until Battler manage to counter with his Golden Truth, handing him the Game Master role, leading to Beatrice's return and Bernkastel's humiliating loss against them. Siding with Battler and Ange in the final battle, Lambda used her blessings to support them, saving Will and Lion from Bern and taking her allies to Featherine's realm, risking her life against Bern and Featherine. Even after defeat, Lambda's certain willpower became the catalyst for Ange and Battler to defeat Bernkastel, and save the Golden Land.
** Dlanor A. Knox is the head inquisitor of the Eiserne Jungfrau, feared for her reputation as executioner and wielder of the "Knox's Ten Commandments". Nickname "Death Sentence Dlanor", Dlanor is dispatch to cases where she's expected to execute, cutting down anyone she sent against even her father. Hired by Bernkastel as Erika's furniture, Dlanor does her duty dilligenty with sheer ruthlessness, cutting those against Erika's false narrative to frame Natsuhi, with the Knox's Ten Commandments as her enforcer. Secretly disgusted by her masters use of the truths for their whim, she sets Battler secretly to find the Golden Truth to overcome them, forcing him in the spot, putting up him to debate against Erika and executing him when he fails. When he returns as she planned, Dlanor battles him to test his Golden Truth, ending in her defeat, satisfied with Battler's new power before returning to Erika's side and help execute her revenge to protect her. While a coldly ruthless inquisitor, Dlanor shows she's also a cunning and virtuous warrior who will uphold the honor of the truth no matter what.

* FunnyAneurysmMoment: Arc 4's ClicheStorm turns around to bite George and Jessica in the ass, due to a rather brutal BrickJoke involving the danger of a HopeSpot.

* SignatureScene:
** [=EP1=] has the gruesome tool shed scene marking the start of the murder mysteries.
** [=EP2=]'s ending where [[spoiler:Battler is dragged around naked by a chain by Beatrice and then devoured by a horde of goats, and Rosa and Maria attempt an escape in the rose garden.]]
** Ange [[spoiler:jumping off the roof in [=EP3=]'s ????.]]
** Beatrice's [[GratuitousEnglish phone]] [[ChewingTheScenery call]] to Battler showing her revival in [=EP4=].
** [=EP5=]'s ???? where [[spoiler:Battler succeeds Beatrice as the Endless Sorcerer after solving her mystery just a little too late for her.]]
** [=EP6=]: [[spoiler:Chick Beato returning to her old self as she crashes Erika's wedding.]]
** [=EP8=]: [[spoiler:Sayo drowning herself, with Battler following her into the depths.]]

** Krauss can be at times sympathetic, genuine and sharp, but fans will never let him forget the [[WhatAnIdiot moon tourism venture]].

* WhatAnIdiot:
** In [=EP6=] [[spoiler:Battler gave Erika duct tape. And it's three rooms' worth. When in the previous game, the duct tape she used allowed her to use the red truth.]]
** After [[FridgeBrilliance [=EP7=]]], it becomes obvious that Battler's behavior in [=EP6=] is [[spoiler:him betting on a miracle so that Beato regains her memories. Battler acts as an obvious comparison to Kinzo, Chick!Beatrice is quite like Beatrice II, the love duel acts as a metaphor of "Yasu's" internal conflict, etc...]]
** Krauss. Oh, Krauss. The true extent of his idiocy is revealed in [=EP5=]. He's quite possibly the stupidest character in Umineko. The poor idiot would have been penniless on the street some five or six years ago if Natsuhi weren't hypercompetent to the point of neurosis.
*** WhoWouldBeStupidEnough: A too good to be true Space Resort deal from some guy claiming to be from NASA! [[TemptingFate What could go wrong?]] Granted, [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_tourism recent events]] may in fact be indicating that, as Rudolf mentioned, his timing was simply a bit off. As in, 30 years off.

** [[spoiler: Sayo "Yasu" Yasuda]], too. While [[spoiler: s/he]] has massive, '''massive''' reasons to be the person [[spoiler: s/he]] is ([[spoiler: or better said, person'''s''']]), many fans seem to believe [[spoiler: s/he]] is ~perfectly justified~ to [[spoiler: go KillEmAll]] and no one should criticise [[spoiler: him/her]], thinking that [[spoiler: the terrible life they have led]] should be enough oif a reason to completely leave them off the hook for [[spoiler: his/her]] own actions.

** [[spoiler:By that same token, the rest of the Ushiromiya family coming to terms with their own sins. The quiz game at the Halloween party is replaced by hide and seek and in that time we see, aside from the above thoughts from Eva, Natsuhi and Beato/Yasu getting closure with each other over what Natsuhi did to baby Yasu in the past, Rosa realizing how she'd perpetuated the cycle of her own abuse onto Maria and starting to forge a stronger mother-daughter relationship with Maria to make amends, and a clearly shown fallout of Rudolf confessing his sin and the truth about Battler's parentage to Kyrie. To take it further, when Ange is reunited with the family in the Golden Land later on, a point is made of how the Ushiromiya Family ultimately tore itself apart due to its members own vices and sinful acts accumlated over the years finally giving way, and Kinzo openly holds himself accountable for sourcing everything that had gone wrong since the time he lost his mistress.]]

* {{Fanon}}: Yasu's full name is generally assumed to be [[spoiler:Sayo Yasuda]] (since Yasu says their last name is Yasuda and [[spoiler:Shannon claims that her real name is Sayo]]), but it's never told explicitly in the story. [[spoiler:Confirmed as of the [=EP8=] manga bonus chapters, labelling Yasu explicitly as "Sayo Yasuda".]]

* SignatureScene: So many death scenes within the VN especially the garden shed scene.
** Maria's face shifting into a NightmareFace.
** Krauss [[spoiler:fighting Goat-kun in [=EP4=].]]

** [=EP5=]'s ???? where [[spoiler:Battler solves the mystery and becomes the Endless Sorcerer.]]
** [=EP6=]'s [[spoiler:wedding scene.]]
** [=EP8=]'s [[spoiler:drowning scene.]]

* {{Authors Saving Throw}}: The manga adaptation of Episode 8 has some noteworthy ones:
** [[spoiler:Eva acknowledging the damage done to her relationship with Ange was her fault, not Ange's. Even if Ange tried to reject Eva as a parental figure and unknowingly denied Eva of any source of comfort from the accusations she was already getting, it was Eva's responsibility as an adult and Ange's new legal guardian to love and care for Ange instead of giving Ange a scapegoat to blame for the murders by acting horribly abusive to reinforce Ange's warped perception. To put it shortly, even if Eva had her own trauma to deal with she should've tried harder with Ange.]]
** [[spoiler:By that same token, the rest of the Ushiromiya family coming to terms with their own sins. The quiz game at the Halloween party is replaced by hide and seek and in that time we see, aside from the above thoughts from Eva, Natsuhi and Beato/Yasu getting closure with each other over what Natsuhi did to baby Yasu in the past, Rosa realizing how she'd perpetuated the cycle of her own abuse onto Maria and starting to forge a stronger mother-daughter relationship with Maria to make amends, and a clearly shown fallout of Rudolf confessing his sin and the truth about Battler's parentage to Kyrie. To take it further, when Ange is reunited with the family in the Golden Land later on, a point is made of how the Ushiromiya Family ultimately tore itself apart due to its members own vices and sinful acts accumlated over the years finally giving way, and Kinzo openly holds himself accountable for sourcing everything that had gone wrong since the time he lost his mistress.]]
** [[spoiler: Realizing the implications of what Tohya Hachijo's (potentailly accidentally) implied death at the end of [=EP8=] would do to poor Ange, Ryukishi clarified in the final character profiles released in 2013 that he actually survived, which was made explicit by the manga adaptation two years later.]]

* RonTheDeathEater: As often pointed out, at least at the beginning of the first 4 games there are quite a few readers who quickly come to nourish a deep hatred towards Rosa for [[ParentalNeglect the horrible way in which Maria is growing]], considering it unforgivable and, as already mentioned on this page, for them her scenes where [[TheManyDeathsOfYou she is tortured and killed over and over]] are considered a CatharsisFactor. Most of them, however, are not only largely unaware that in spite of this Rosa also has saving qualities (such as her empathy, her genuine kindness and above all the regret she has lived with for nearly two decades of having, according to her point of view, left [[spoiler:Beatrice II]] to die), which almost all other parents clearly lack (who turn out to be morally worse than Rosa, being capable of killing their own family for money for even more futile reasons than hers) and who instead are not only not punished as much as she is but are even more favored by some of these haters (who also ignore the indirect responsibility of [[BigBrotherBully Krauss, Eva and Rudolf]] in having actually created Maria's AbusiveMom). Those few of the haters who at least recognize that [[StrugglingSingleMother Rosa's life as a single mother is actually not easy]], and that [[TheChainOfHarm she is actually been abused and ignored herself by the rest of the family in the same way as Maria as a child]], still make the mistake of downplaying her struggles and difficulties by simply suggesting hiring a babysitter or leave Maria with Eva (yes, the lovely auntie who in the third game literally put Maria to bake in a magic oven with her cookies friends) or [[EvilUncle Rudolf]] (just see the seventh Tea Party to understand that he is not a good option) when Rosa is at work. [[YourNormalIsOurTaboo They ignore that the story is set in 1986 Japan where it was already considered shameful for a woman to be a single mother but even proved herself unable to provide for the welfare of her children without needing the help of third parties. Combine all this with Maria's autism and the very little care or consideration for the psychological health of those years (and in a country certainly not renowned for its studies in the psychological or psychiatric field)]] and it is [[FreudianExcuse very easy to understand not only why Rosa became what she is when we know her]] in the first game but also that, potentially and effectively, Rosa is among all the human characters '''the one''' with the most plausible and justifiable motivations in her letting go of a murderous fury for money and for the hatred she indisputably feels towards both her older siblings and her abusive father, and also for the seriousness of the debts in which she is submerged. Yet apparently, except for the second game [[spoiler: which saw her simply as an accomplice (in which she also could have been blackmailed to become one)]], Rosa never become a merciless killer and indeed for all games she maintains a strong moral code when it comes to dealing with human lives. Compares this with Kinzo, [[spoiler:Eva's behavior in the third and seventh games]] and especially with Kyrie and Rudolf. Despite this, some readers still consider Rosa one of the worst and irredeemable adults.

* RonTheDeathEater: As often pointed out, at least at the beginning of the first 4 games there are quite a few readers who quickly come to nourish a deep hatred towards Rosa for [[ParentalNeglect the horrible way in which Maria is growing)]], considering it unforgivable and, as already mentioned on this page, for them her scenes where [[TheManyDeathsOfYou she is tortured and killed over and over]] are considered a CatharsisFactor. Most of them, however, are not only largely unaware that in spite of this Rosa also has saving qualities (such as her empathy, her genuine kindness and above all the regret she has lived with for nearly two decades of having, according to her point of view, left [[spoiler:Beatrice II]] to die), which almost all other parents clearly lack (who turn out to be morally worse than Rosa, being capable of killing their own family for money for even more futile reasons than hers) and who instead are not only not punished as much as she is but are even more favored by some of these haters (who also ignore the indirect responsibility of [[BigBrotherBully Krauss, Eva and Rudolf]] in having actually created Maria's AbusiveMom). Those few of the haters who at least recognize that [[StrugglingSingleMother Rosa's life as a single mother is actually not easy]], and that [[TheChainOfHarm she is actually been abused and ignored herself by the rest of the family in the same way as Maria as a child]], still make the mistake of downplaying her struggles and difficulties by simply suggesting hiring a babysitter or leave Maria with Eva (yes, the lovely auntie who in the third game literally put Maria to bake in a magic oven with her cookies friends) or [[EvilUncle Rudolf]] (just see the seventh Tea Party to understand that he is not a good option) when Rosa is at work. [[YourNormalIsOurTaboo They ignore that the story is set in 1986 Japan where it was already considered shameful for a woman to be a single mother but even proved herself unable to provide for the welfare of her children without needing the help of third parties. Combine all this with Maria's autism and the very little care or consideration for the psychological health of those years (and in a country certainly not renowned for its studies in the psychological or psychiatric field)]] and it is [[FreudianExcuse very easy to understand not only why Rosa became what she is when we know her]] in the first game but also that, potentially and effectively, Rosa is among all the human characters '''the one'''' with the most plausible and justifiable motivations in her letting go of a murderous fury for money and for the hatred she indisputably feels towards both her older siblings and her abusive father, and also for the seriousness of the debts in which she is submerged. Yet apparently, except for the second game [[spoiler: which saw her simply as an accomplice (in which she also could have been blackmailed to become one)]], Rosa never become a merciless killer and indeed for all games she maintains a strong moral code when it comes to dealing with human lives. Compares this with Kinzo, [[spoiler:Eva's behavior in the third and seventh games]] and especially with Kyrie and Rudolf. Despite this, some readers still consider Rosa one of the worst and irredeemable adults.

* RonTheDeathEater: As often pointed out, at least at the beginning of the first 4 games there are quite a few readers who quickly come to nourish a deep hatred towards Rosa for [[ParentalNeglect the horrible way in which Maria is growing), considering it unforgivable and, as already mentioned on this page, for them her scenes where [[TheManyDeathsOfYou she is tortured and killed over and over]] are considered a CatharsisFactor. Most of them, however, are not only largely unaware that in spite of this Rosa also has saving qualities (such as her empathy, her genuine kindness and above all the regret she has lived with for nearly two decades of having, according to her point of view, left [[spoiler:Beatrice II]] to die), which almost all other parents clearly lack (who turn out to be morally worse than Rosa, being capable of killing their own family for money for even more futile reasons than hers) and who instead are not only not punished as much as she is but are even more favored by some of these haters (who also ignore the indirect responsibility of [[BigBrotherBully Krauss, Eva and Rudolf]] in having actually created Maria's AbusiveMom). Those few of the haters who at least recognize that [[StrugglingSingleMother Rosa's life as a single mother is actually not easy]], and that [[TheChainOfHarm she is actually been abused and ignored herself by the rest of the family in the same way as Maria as a child]], still make the mistake of downplaying her struggles and difficulties by simply suggesting hiring a babysitter or leave Maria with Eva (yes, the lovely auntie who in the third game literally put Maria to bake in a magic oven with her cookies friends) or [[EvilUncle Rudolf]] (just see the seventh Tea Party to understand that he is not a good option) when Rosa is at work. [[YourNormalIsOurTaboo They ignore that the story is set in 1986 Japan where it was already considered shameful for a woman to be a single mother but even proved herself unable to provide for the welfare of her children without needing the help of third parties. Combine all this with Maria's autism and the very little care or consideration for the psychological health of those years (and in a country certainly not renowned for its studies in the psychological or psychiatric field)]] and it is [[FreudianExcuse very easy to understand not only why Rosa became what she is when we know her]] in the first game but also that, potentially and effectively, Rosa is among all the human characters '''the one'''' with the most plausible and justifiable motivations in her letting go of a murderous fury for money and for the hatred she indisputably feels towards both her older siblings and her abusive father, and also for the seriousness of the debts in which she is submerged. Yet apparently, except for the second game [[spoiler: which saw her simply as an accomplice (in which she also could have been blackmailed to become one)]], Rosa never become a merciless killer and indeed for all games she maintains a strong moral code when it comes to dealing with human lives. Compares this with Kinzo, [[spoiler:Eva's behavior in the third and seventh games]] and especially with Kyrie and Rudolf. Despite this, some readers still consider Rosa one of the worst and irredeemable adults.

* ViewerGenderConfusion:
** Kanon. [[spoiler:With good reason, mind you.]]
** Lion, [[AmbiguousGender but this is intentional]].

** From the very beginning, [[EntitledBitch Eva]] has never been a particularly sympathetic person, but [=EP3=] which sees her as the main adult and which should shed some positive light on the character by showing her as an ambitious and brilliant woman, victim of Krauss and Kinzo's sexism, and of her father's abuse in general, comes after [[FemaleMisogynist Eva herself has demhumanized and alienated other women]] (Natsuhi and Shannon) with mean and cruel comments such as "you're just a rented womb." or "We will find you a more worthy partner for your rank, an another servant.", and it is also the same chapter in which Eva (more here than in all the other games) [[BigSisterBully abuses her own sister Rosa several times for futile and illogical reasons]], even defining her [[SarcasmMode "lovingly"]] with words like "Die, you useless brainless woman!" only because [[CassandraTruth Rosa dared to suggest that the witch's letter may not have been written by Kinzo]]. It goes without saying that ''Banquet of the Golden Witch'' is also the same chapter in which [[SuperpoweredEvilSide EVA-Beatrice]] makes her appearance in the roster of psychopathic witches and that her first gesture to celebrate her "baptism" as a witch is to horribly torture with ResurrectionDeathLoop both Rosa and [[WouldHurtAChild Maria]] (to the point that Beatrice, [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech even if only just thanks to Battler's annoyed and angry reaction towards her]], is forced to intervene to stop that horror show that she had set up) only because [[TheDogBitesBack her sister DARED to fight back with her regarding the discovery of the gold]], [[spoiler:or that in reality the human Eva has decided to join Sayo both as an accomplice and as the second killer of the entire game simply because she didn't want to share Kinzo's wealth with the other siblings]]. [[spoiler:With the seventh Tea Party and [=EP8=] delving into [[SilentScapegoat the real nature of her relationship with Ange]], Eva has gained on her side many fans who sympathize with her situation compared to many other characters who fit into this trope, but even this can fall flat due to Eva's abusive treatment of young Ange in which she acted like she hated her, always compared her unfavorably to George, and never told her the truth about what happened to her family (including the fact that she really did set much of the tragedy off when she accidentally killed Natsuhi) and yet Ange ends up [[BlamingTheVictim being given the bulk of the blame for how sour her and Eva's relationship turned]], making it seem as though Eva was let off the hook for everything in spite of her [[SmugSnake bad personality]] and [[ItsAllAboutMe selfish nature]]. The [=EP8=] manga at least has her repeatedly express remorse for being such an awful stepmother, admitting that she ruined Ange's life by giving up on her too soon.]]