History YMMV / TheElderScrolls

* UnfortunateImplications - Redguards (Black People) can run faster, jump higher and are physically stronger than the other humans, but have a lower intelligence score. At least in ''Oblivion'', they also have a lower personality score!

* ItsPopularNowItSucks: This seems to have happened within ''TheElderScrolls'' fanbase with the release of ''Oblivion''. Hell, it goes back further than that. Prior to ''Oblivion'' coming out, it was ''Morrowind'' that was the symbol of all the bad trends in the industry. And mostly for the same alleged reason: "dumbing down" for console players. It is now considered the last good Elder Scrolls game by the same crowd. Don't be surprised if ''Skyrim'' gets this treatment next.

* GameBreaker: Enough to get its own page.

* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: ''Daggerfall'' and ''Arena'' are a lot harder to pick up and play. One can pick up ''Morrowind'' and play it due to its still intuitive control-scheme but some of its glitches and poor design choices can make it a bit harder to than ''Oblivion''.
** ''Oblivion'' itself now looks a ''little'' dated compared to ''{{Fallout 3}}'' and ''{{Fallout New Vegas}}''
* TrueArtIsNotPopular: Mentioning the ItsPopularNowItSucks section above, ''Daggerfall'' as well as ''Morrowind'' in some areas.

* [=~It's Popular, Now It Sucks~=]: This seems to have happened within ''TheElderScrolls'' fanbase with the release of ''Oblivion''. Hell, it goes back further than that. Prior to ''Oblivion'' coming out, it was ''Morrowind'' that was the symbol of all the bad trends in the industry. And mostly for the same alleged reason: "dumbing down" for console players. It is now considered the last good Elder Scrolls game by the same crowd. Don't be surprised if ''Skyrim'' gets this treatment next.

** "Fallout 3 is Oblivion with guns" and it's opposite "Oblivion is Fallout with swords" due to the two games coming from the same developer.

* MostAnnoyingSound: Particularly in Oblivion, where NPC dialogue becomes [[ArtificialAtmosphericActions very repetitive very quickly]].

** For Daggerfall players, this honor goes to the guards' "Halt!" You see, when you commit a crime, the game will start spawning guards constantly, all of them who constantly yell halt, which results in a chorus of "halts!" If you linger around the area where you are wanted long enough, the game may spawn so many guards that it may freeze or crash in a chorus of "Halts".

* UnfortunateImplications - Redguards (Black People) can run faster, jump higher and are physically stronger than the other humans, but have a lower intelligence score...
** Don't forget that, at least in ''Oblivion'', they have a lower personality score!

* ChaoticEvil: Mannimarco and Order of the Black Worm Necromancers. (other Necromancers tend towards TrueNeutral or ChaoticNeutral); The Dark Brotherhood; The Mythic Dawn.
* ChaoticGood: Most incarnations of the Thieves Guild are a combination of this and ChaoticNeutral.
* ChaoticNeutral: Most of the Daedra Princes and most Vampires.

* NeutralEvil: House Telvanni is ruled by a Magocracy of apathetic, xenophobic and [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity completely insane wizards]] who only wish to be left alone to conduct their horrific experiments. Some Telvanni characters don't really fit the Neutral Evil bill, but the House as a whole certainly does.
** The Cammona Tong as well, especially their leader, Orvas Dren, brother of the LawfulGood Duke Vedam Dren.
** [[spoiler:Almalexia]] has become this by the time of ''Tribunal'' having previously been LawfulNeutral.

* TrueNeutral: Azura.

* UnpleasableFanbase: ''Every'' game has its fair share of fanatics dismissing the newer games as [[RuinedFOREVER pure crap]]; just take a look at Morrowind and Oblivion.
** For that matter, they've been screaming about the death of the series and have been waging bloody civil war on each other since ''Daggerfall''.

* TrueArtIsNotPopular: Daggerfall as well as Morrowind in some areas.

** Also on how official the obscure texts should be treated.

* [=~It's Popular, Now It Sucks~=]: * This seems to have happened within ''TheElderScrolls'' fanbase with the release of ''Oblivion''. Hell, it goes back further than that. Prior to ''Oblivion'' coming out, it was ''Morrowind'' that was the symbol of all the bad trends in the industry. And mostly for the same alleged reason: "dumbing down" for console players. It is now considered the last good Elder Scrolls game by the same crowd. Don't be surprised if ''Skyrim'' gets this treatment next.

** Might reflect [[ValuesDissonance some kind of cultural bias]] on the part of [[DeepSouth the developers]]. Eltonbrand and Tarhiel, and all that.

* {{Badass Decay}}: Mannimarco in Daggerfall looked like a lich from the darkest corners of Hell's castle. Mannimarco in Oblivion looks like a High Elf in a robe. Both PlayedStraight and {{Averted}} because the Warp in the West resulted in more than one Mannimarco, one being the Oblivion version and another ascending to become a god (the Necromancer's Moon).

* {{Badass Decay}}: Mannimarco in Daggerfall looked like a lich from the darkest corners of Hell's castle. Mannimarco in Oblivion looks like a High Elf in a robe. Both [[PlayedStraight]] and [[Averted]] because the Warp in the West resulted in more than one Mannimarco, one being the Oblivion version and another ascending to become a god (the Necromancer's Moon).

* SpecialEffectsFailure: The "magic item glow" in ''Morrowind'' is generally known to suffer from this, specifically that the glow makes the items look like they're covered in saran wrap. There are almost as many mods to replace/remove said graphics as there are mods improving the popular alchemy system.

** Back in ''Morrowind'', there's Fargoth, and its expansion pack introduces Gaenor, who's part Scrappy, part ThatOneB

* FanDumb: Depending on who you ask, ''Oblivion'' was either the worst thing ever done in gaming, taking a great and epic story and making it into crap...or the greatest thing ever, and vast superior to everything before it in the series or even CRPGs. And either side is quick to point out their take on the matter at every possible opportunity, as seen on this very wiki. As a whole the Fan Dumb is especially full of the Willfully Blind varieties, particularly when it comes to their favorite title. However, you can throw in some Old Timer's and Hipster's for good measure, depending on the title and how recently it was released.

* UnfortunateImplications - Redguards (Black People) can run faster, jump higher and are physically stronger than the other humans, but have a lower intelligence score...
** Might reflect [[ValuesDissonance some kind of cultural bias]] on the part of [[DeepSouth the developers]]. Eltonbrand and Tarhiel, and all that.
* UnpleasableFanbase: ''Every'' game has its fair share of fanatics dismissing the newer games as [[RuinedFOREVER pure crap]]; just take a look at Morrowind and Oblivion.