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* LesYay: One interpretation of the relationship between Naomi and her daughter-in-law, Ruth. Not popular with conservatives, obviously.
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** Satan has multiple possibilities for the moment when he crosses the horizon:
*** Many people consider him tempting Eve with the fruit as this, as it resulted in pretty much all the evil and suffering in the world. [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation This one only applies to Satan if he is the snake, however,]] and some people see it as a failed attempt at giving mankind wisdom.
*** What he did to Job. Yeah, he had permission, but it's still a pretty nasty thing to do.
*** Helping the Antichrist to deceive people into worshiping him.
*** Desiring to "sift Peter as wheat," which most likely means he wanted to do the same things to Peter as he did to Job.
*** The Bible implies that he was behind Jesus crucifixion. If so, he was not only HoistByHisOwnPetard but OutGambitted, because Jesus's death, preplanned by God, opened the one and only way for people to be saved.
*** In Revelation, he is pictured (probably metaphorically) as a red dragon sanding in front of a delivering woman so he can [[EatsBabies devour]] her [[WouldHurtAChild child]] as soon as it is born.
*** Many people consider him tempting Eve with the fruit as this, as it resulted in pretty much all the evil and suffering in the world. [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation This one only applies to Satan if he is the snake, however,]] and some people see it as a failed attempt at giving mankind wisdom.
*** What he did to Job. Yeah, he had permission, but it's still a pretty nasty thing to do.
*** Helping the Antichrist to deceive people into worshiping him.
*** Desiring to "sift Peter as wheat," which most likely means he wanted to do the same things to Peter as he did to Job.
*** The Bible implies that he was behind Jesus crucifixion. If so, he was not only HoistByHisOwnPetard but OutGambitted, because Jesus's death, preplanned by God, opened the one and only way for people to be saved.
*** In Revelation, he is pictured (probably metaphorically) as a red dragon sanding in front of a delivering woman so he can [[EatsBabies devour]] her [[WouldHurtAChild child]] as soon as it is born.
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* TooCoolToLive: Elijah's death, because he was also Too Cool To Die.
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* TheWoobie:
** Mary. Her Son was brutally tortured and killed right in front of her, and there was nothing she could do.
** Leah, Balaam's Donkey, Eli, Tamar, Uriah, Job, Jeremiah, Hosea, Ezekiel, Mary, Abel, Tobit, Sarah...
* TooCoolToLive: Elijah's death, because he was also Too Cool To Die.
** Mary. Her Son was brutally tortured and killed right in front of her, and there was nothing she could do.
** Leah, Balaam's Donkey, Eli, Tamar, Uriah, Job, Jeremiah, Hosea, Ezekiel, Mary, Abel, Tobit, Sarah...
* TooCoolToLive: Elijah's death, because he was also Too Cool To Die.
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** Mary. Her Son was brutally tortured and killed right in front of her, and there was nothing she could do.
** Leah, Balaam's Donkey, Eli, Tamar, Uriah, Job, Jeremiah, Hosea, Ezekiel, Mary, Abel, Tobit, Sarah...
** Mary. Her Son was brutally tortured and killed right in front of her, and there was nothing she could do.
** Leah, Balaam's Donkey, Eli, Tamar, Uriah, Job, Jeremiah, Hosea, Ezekiel, Mary, Abel, Tobit, Sarah...
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* DyingMomentOfAwesome:
** Jesus. He could have called thousands of angels to smite His killers, but He chose to bear all the pain and suffering to save all who would believe.
** Samson's final moments are spent bringing down the Philistine government, while also killing more men than he ever had in his life.
** The emperor Nero ordered Peter to be crucified, thus putting himself above Peter in a power dynamic. Peter asked to be crucified ''upside down'', thus outdoing Nero. (Doubles as TearJerker since Peter also did it because he believed himself unworthy of dying like Jesus)
** Paul was about to be crucified, but then he told his would-be executers: 'Hey, I'm a Roman. Kill me if you want, but I've my right to tell you ''how'' I will die.' That takes quite the balls.
** Jesus. He could have called thousands of angels to smite His killers, but He chose to bear all the pain and suffering to save all who would believe.
** Samson's final moments are spent bringing down the Philistine government, while also killing more men than he ever had in his life.
** The emperor Nero ordered Peter to be crucified, thus putting himself above Peter in a power dynamic. Peter asked to be crucified ''upside down'', thus outdoing Nero. (Doubles as TearJerker since Peter also did it because he believed himself unworthy of dying like Jesus)
** Paul was about to be crucified, but then he told his would-be executers: 'Hey, I'm a Roman. Kill me if you want, but I've my right to tell you ''how'' I will die.' That takes quite the balls.
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* SadlyMythtaken: The entire AsTheGoodBookSays trope in a nutshell.
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* CompleteMonster: [[EvilChancellor Haman]] from the Literature/BookOfEsther. He was a {{treacherous advisor}} offended by [[EvilIsPetty one Jew's refusal to bow to him]], using this as justification for [[FinalSolution plotting the genocide of the Jewish people]]. Various Judaic traditions elaborate on this, noting [[PoliticallyIncorrectVillain Haman]] had a picture of an idol embroidered onto his robes so that he could force Jews bowing to him to violate the taboo against kneeling to idols. The very trees from which he hoped to build his gallows recoiled from his unclean presence, and unlike some Biblical antagonists, he's not an agent of divine retribution, just a self-important bastard who can't accept being disrespected. Even Haman's ''wife'' tells to his face that he has [[MoralEventHorizon gone over the line]], and that his obsession with killing the Jews would soon become self-destructive; he ignores her and goes ahead with his plans. His name has become a watchword for anti-Semitism and he is viewed in rabbinical tradition as an archetypal evil figure.
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* CompleteMonster: [[EvilChancellor Haman]] [[ManipulativeBastard Haman the Agagite]], from the Literature/BookOfEsther. He was a {{treacherous advisor}} offended by [[EvilIsPetty ''Literature/BookOfEsther'', one Jew's refusal to bow to him]], using this as justification for [[FinalSolution plotting the genocide of the Jewish people]]. Various Judaic traditions elaborate on this, noting archetypal [[PoliticallyIncorrectVillain Haman]] had anti-Semites]] in Jewish folklore, is a picture [[EvilChancellor vizier]] under Emperor Ahasuerus (Xerxes) whose ambition and ego know no bounds. Haman is introduced forcing citizens to [[KneelBeforeZod bow to him]]; when a fellow advisor, Mordecai the Judean, refuses to bow to him--possibly on account of an idol embroidered onto Haman embroidering a graven image into his robes clothing--Haman plots a [[FinalSolution genocide]] against Persian Jewry as a whole, manipulating the emperor into giving him his signet so that he could force Jews bowing may write it into law. When Mordecai still refuses to him bow to violate the taboo against kneeling to idols. The very trees from him, Haman builds a gallows on which he hoped intends to build his gallows recoiled from his unclean presence, and unlike some Biblical antagonists, he's not an agent of divine retribution, just a self-important bastard who can't accept being disrespected. Even Haman's ''wife'' tells to his face that he has [[MoralEventHorizon gone over hang the line]], and that his obsession with killing the Jews would soon become self-destructive; he ignores her and goes ahead with his plans. His name has become a watchword for anti-Semitism and he is viewed in rabbinical tradition as an archetypal evil figure.latter.
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* NightmareFuel: Let's just say there are quite a few moments to say the least.
** The Lake of Fire.
** The seven brothers and their mom mentioned in the Maccabeus book. FamilyUnfriendlyDeath doesn't even begin to ''describe'' it.
** The Book of Revelation. Especially [[YourHeadAsplode if it's literal]], well...imagine ''End of Evangelion'' [[MindRape times a million]]. Yeah.
** The Lake of Fire.
** The seven brothers and their mom mentioned in the Maccabeus book. FamilyUnfriendlyDeath doesn't even begin to ''describe'' it.
** The Book of Revelation. Especially [[YourHeadAsplode if it's literal]], well...imagine ''End of Evangelion'' [[MindRape times a million]]. Yeah.
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* TearJerker:
** The Psalm David wrote in response to Jonathan's and Saul's death. As well as the ''enormous'' HeroicBlueScreenOfDeath he had when he learned about it.
** The way David ''wept'' for Absalom, especially considering David would have lost his throne and possibly his life if Absalom had won.
** Jesus' death. Even if you're not a Christian, you've gotta [[JesusWasWayCool feel for the guy.]] Some of his miracles, too. Specially when he revived a poor little girl. And when he wept before he revived his old friend Lazarus.
** 2 Timothy. Knowing that he'll be executed soon, Paul urges Timothy, who he calls his son, to hurry to Rome so they can see each other before he, Paul, dies.
** Ezra reading the book of the law in front of a crowd of truly repentant Jews.
** The Psalm David wrote in response to Jonathan's and Saul's death. As well as the ''enormous'' HeroicBlueScreenOfDeath he had when he learned about it.
** The way David ''wept'' for Absalom, especially considering David would have lost his throne and possibly his life if Absalom had won.
** Jesus' death. Even if you're not a Christian, you've gotta [[JesusWasWayCool feel for the guy.]] Some of his miracles, too. Specially when he revived a poor little girl. And when he wept before he revived his old friend Lazarus.
** 2 Timothy. Knowing that he'll be executed soon, Paul urges Timothy, who he calls his son, to hurry to Rome so they can see each other before he, Paul, dies.
** Ezra reading the book of the law in front of a crowd of truly repentant Jews.
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* InternetBackdraft: Perhaps nothing in this world can easily start a FlameWar more than the Bible itself. Heated debates regarding pretty much anything inside it have, are, and will occur between different religions, non-religious views, and [[BrokenBase even amongst religions themselves]]. The main page is locked for a reason.
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* AlternateAesopInterpretation: The Bible is often interpreted to support the message that ScienceIsBad, especially concerning the Tower of Babel.
* {{Fanon}}:
** Certain passages could be interpreted to mean that the EarthIsTheCenterOfTheUniverse. Historically, though, that interpretation was backed up by Aristotle's postulations.
** Many apocryphal texts. Almost the entire academic study of angels and demons that was popular in the middle ages was based on non-canon sources, mostly Enoch I. [[spoiler:In-Universe]]
** Lucifer (also known as Satan) and his supporters are considered the UrExample of the FallenAngel, although the Bible itself doesn't directly reference this.
** Fanon holds God's name to be 72 or 216 letters long.
** Certain passages could be interpreted to mean that the EarthIsTheCenterOfTheUniverse. Historically, though, that interpretation was backed up by Aristotle's postulations.
** Many apocryphal texts. Almost the entire academic study of angels and demons that was popular in the middle ages was based on non-canon sources, mostly Enoch I. [[spoiler:In-Universe]]
** Lucifer (also known as Satan) and his supporters are considered the UrExample of the FallenAngel, although the Bible itself doesn't directly reference this.
** Fanon holds God's name to be 72 or 216 letters long.
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** Then there's the New Testament "apocrypha," some of which are just ''weird''. The Infancy Gospel of Thomas, for instance, is possibly the first example of SuperDickery, featuring a very young Jesus that blinds, kills, and heals people left and right, then proceeds to lecture his teacher on theology. Mainstream Christians reject the Gospel of Thomas, which was widely read by early Christian communities, on the basis of its much later origin and the fact that it was most certainly not written by Thomas or anyone in his general time period. The Nicean council ruled that it wasn't authentic.
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** Then there's There's the New Testament "apocrypha," some of which are just ''weird''. The Infancy Gospel of Thomas, for instance, is possibly the first example of SuperDickery, featuring a very young Jesus that blinds, kills, and heals people left and right, then proceeds to lecture his teacher on theology. Mainstream Christians reject the Gospel of Thomas, which was widely read by early Christian communities, on the basis of its much later origin and the fact that it was most certainly not written by Thomas or anyone in his general time period. The Nicean council ruled that it wasn't authentic.
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* ValuesDissonance A point of contention for many, particularly in regard to the Old Testament.
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* ValuesDissonance ValuesDissonance: A point of contention for many, particularly in regard to the Old Testament.Testament. People during those times had much different ideas about what constitutes a "just" punishment and many of them will look [[DisproportionateRetribution completely disproportionate and cruel]] compared to what is a just punishment today, or if a punishment is necessary at all.
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** Satan has a lot:
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** Satan has a lot:multiple possibilities for the moment when he crosses the horizon:
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** Nimrod is amazingly popular in folklore (the Tower of Babel was apparently built on his orders and he tried to have Abraham killed) and pop culture (shares the name as a villain from the ComicBook/{{X-Men}}).
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** Nimrod is amazingly popular in folklore (the Tower of Babel was apparently built on his orders and he tried to have Abraham killed) and pop culture (shares the name as a villain from the ComicBook/{{X-Men}}).ComicBook/XMen).
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* HoYay: Judas With Jesus. As far as canon goes ... well. Their kiss is listed as a TropeCodifier on KissOfDeath.
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* HoYay: Judas With Jesus. As far HoYay:
** David and Jonathan. When they meet, it's stated that their souls were knit together. Jonathan then gives David his robe, armor, and weapons. Later, Jonathan saves David from Saul. They have a final tragic meeting after Saul forbids them from seeing each other, complete with weeping and manly kissing. When Saul and Jonathan are killed in battle. David rends his clothes and mourns Jonathan, and has his people mourn him, too. David even says he loves Jonathan more than any women.
--->And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him ascanon goes ... well. Their kiss his own soul. (1 Samuel 18:1, [=KJV=])
--->40 And Jonathan gave his artillery unto his lad, and said unto him, Go, carry them to the city. 41 And as soon as the lad was gone, David arose out of a place toward the south, and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himself three times: and they kissed one another, and wept one with another, until David exceeded. 42 And Jonathan said to David, Go in peace, forasmuch as we have sworn both of us in the name of the Lord, saying, The Lord be between me and thee, and between my seed and thy seed for ever. And he arose and departed: and Jonathan went into the city. (1 Samuel 20:40-42, [=KJV=]
---> 25 How are the mighty fallen in the midst of the battle! O Jonathan, thou wast slain in thine high places. 26 I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women. 27 How are the mighty fallen, and the weapons of war perished! (2 Samuel 1:25-27, [=KJV=]
** Ruth and Naomi. Ruth islisted described as a TropeCodifier on KissOfDeath. clinging to Naomi with the same word used to describe Adam and Eve's relationship. Ruth's declaration of loyalty to Naomi is often used for wedding vows, and even though Ruth eventually marries Boaz, it's clear that the relationship between her and Naomi is still the most important to her.
--->16 And Ruth said, Intreat me not to leave thee, or to return from following after thee: for whither thou goest, I will go; and where thou lodgest, I will lodge: thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God: 17 Where thou diest, will I die, and there will I be buried: the Lord do so to me, and more also, if ought but death part thee and me. (Ruth 1:16-17, [=KJV=]
** David and Jonathan. When they meet, it's stated that their souls were knit together. Jonathan then gives David his robe, armor, and weapons. Later, Jonathan saves David from Saul. They have a final tragic meeting after Saul forbids them from seeing each other, complete with weeping and manly kissing. When Saul and Jonathan are killed in battle. David rends his clothes and mourns Jonathan, and has his people mourn him, too. David even says he loves Jonathan more than any women.
--->And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as
--->40 And Jonathan gave his artillery unto his lad, and said unto him, Go, carry them to the city. 41 And as soon as the lad was gone, David arose out of a place toward the south, and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himself three times: and they kissed one another, and wept one with another, until David exceeded. 42 And Jonathan said to David, Go in peace, forasmuch as we have sworn both of us in the name of the Lord, saying, The Lord be between me and thee, and between my seed and thy seed for ever. And he arose and departed: and Jonathan went into the city. (1 Samuel 20:40-42, [=KJV=]
---> 25 How are the mighty fallen in the midst of the battle! O Jonathan, thou wast slain in thine high places. 26 I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women. 27 How are the mighty fallen, and the weapons of war perished! (2 Samuel 1:25-27, [=KJV=]
** Ruth and Naomi. Ruth is
--->16 And Ruth said, Intreat me not to leave thee, or to return from following after thee: for whither thou goest, I will go; and where thou lodgest, I will lodge: thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God: 17 Where thou diest, will I die, and there will I be buried: the Lord do so to me, and more also, if ought but death part thee and me. (Ruth 1:16-17, [=KJV=]
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* FreudWasRight: God demands Abraham circumcise himself and those of his house, then demands he sacrifice his son. [[spoiler:God changes His mind at the end.]]
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** Mary Magdalene and Jesus is this to Gnostics and DanBrown.
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** Mary Magdalene and Jesus is this to Gnostics and DanBrown.Creator/DanBrown.
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* FoeYay: Judas gives Jesus a kiss, which could be interpreted as romantic.
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** Mary Magdalene and Jesus is this to Gnostics and DanBrownDanBrown.
* FoeYay: Judas gives Jesus a kiss, which could be interpreted as romantic.
* FoeYay: Judas gives Jesus a kiss, which could be interpreted as romantic.
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** Samson is presented as a flawed figure who abuses his powers, gets screwed over for it, and ends up dying because there's nowhere else to go. Yet, many readers can't look over his RatedMForManly antics and celebrate him as a MemeticBadass who dies in a blaze of glory. He's almost like the [[GurrenLagann Kamina]] of the ancient world.
** More seriously, Christians who persecuted Jews from the middle ages and onward for "killing Jesus". [[WhatAnIdiot Yes, let's ignore the fact that Jesus '''was''' a Jew, shall we?]]
** More seriously, Christians who persecuted Jews from the middle ages and onward for "killing Jesus". [[WhatAnIdiot Yes, let's ignore the fact that Jesus '''was''' a Jew, shall we?]]
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** Samson is presented as a flawed figure who abuses his powers, gets screwed over for it, and ends up dying because there's nowhere else to go. Yet, many readers can't look over his RatedMForManly antics and celebrate him as a MemeticBadass who dies in a blaze of glory. He's almost like the [[GurrenLagann [[Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann Kamina]] of the ancient world.
** More seriously, Christians who persecuted Jews from themiddle ages Middle Ages and onward for "killing Jesus". [[WhatAnIdiot Yes, let's ignore the fact that Jesus '''was''' was a Jew, shall we?]]
** More seriously, Christians who persecuted Jews from the
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* CompleteMonster: Haman from the Book of Esther is an egomaniac who manipulated the king into attempting to genocide the Jews. Why? ''One'' Jew refused to bow to him!
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* CompleteMonster: Haman [[EvilChancellor Haman]] from the Book of Esther is an egomaniac who manipulated the king into attempting to genocide the Jews. Why? ''One'' Jew refused Literature/BookOfEsther. He was a {{treacherous advisor}} offended by [[EvilIsPetty one Jew's refusal to bow to him! him]], using this as justification for [[FinalSolution plotting the genocide of the Jewish people]]. Various Judaic traditions elaborate on this, noting [[PoliticallyIncorrectVillain Haman]] had a picture of an idol embroidered onto his robes so that he could force Jews bowing to him to violate the taboo against kneeling to idols. The very trees from which he hoped to build his gallows recoiled from his unclean presence, and unlike some Biblical antagonists, he's not an agent of divine retribution, just a self-important bastard who can't accept being disrespected. Even Haman's ''wife'' tells to his face that he has [[MoralEventHorizon gone over the line]], and that his obsession with killing the Jews would soon become self-destructive; he ignores her and goes ahead with his plans. His name has become a watchword for anti-Semitism and he is viewed in rabbinical tradition as an archetypal evil figure.
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** GodIsEvil and SatanIsGood are probably the most common. For the sake of {{Natter}}, debate this on Headscratchers, not here.
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** GodIsEvil and SatanIsGood are probably the most common. For the sake of {{Natter}}, Administrivia/{{Natter}}, debate this on Headscratchers, not here.
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** Nimrod is amazingly popular in folklore (the Tower of Babel was apparently built on his orders and he tried to have Abraham killed) and pop culture (shares the name as a villain from TheXMen).
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** Nimrod is amazingly popular in folklore (the Tower of Babel was apparently built on his orders and he tried to have Abraham killed) and pop culture (shares the name as a villain from TheXMen).the ComicBook/{{X-Men}}).
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* BeamMeUpScotty: The popular phrase "God helps those who help themselves" is not found in the Bible. Nor was it said by BenjaminFranklin, the most common other source. Variants are found in [[OlderThanTheyThink the writings of Ancient Greek thinkers]] and it was first encountered in its modern phrasing in the work of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algernon_Sidney Algernon Sidney]], a British soldier, politician, and anti-Monarchist political theorist.
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* BeamMeUpScotty: The popular phrase "God helps those who help themselves" is not found in the Bible. Nor was it said by BenjaminFranklin, the most common other source. Variants are found in [[OlderThanTheyThink the writings of Ancient Greek thinkers]] and it was first encountered in its modern phrasing in the work of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algernon_Sidney Algernon Sidney]], a British soldier, politician, and anti-Monarchist political theorist.
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* AlasPoorVillain: Whether you consider Judas redeemed or not, it's hard not to feel sympathy when he hangs himself.
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* CompleteMonster:
** Satan, who [[FaceHeelTurn rebelled against God]], [[TheManBehindTheMan is behind the creation of all evil in existence]], and acts as the universal [[TheCorrupter Corrupter]], among other things. Apparently, he is so bad {{Hell}} (and later the Lake of Fire) was made specifically for him and his angels.
** The Pharaoh in Exodus is certainly one of them. Oppressed the Israelites and forced them to work as slaves for him, sent men to kill their children and refused to repent for this or let them go, even though he acknowledged God's existence and saw Moses perform miracles.
** Antioch from the Maccabees book, because of the ''horrible'' tortures he and his people subject a ''whole Jewish family'' to (seven teenage boys and their mother).
** Haman from the Book of Esther is an egomaniac who manipulated the king into attempting to genocide the Jews. Why? ''One'' Jew refused to bow to him!
** Satan, who [[FaceHeelTurn rebelled against God]], [[TheManBehindTheMan is behind the creation of all evil in existence]], and acts as the universal [[TheCorrupter Corrupter]], among other things. Apparently, he is so bad {{Hell}} (and later the Lake of Fire) was made specifically for him and his angels.
** The Pharaoh in Exodus is certainly one of them. Oppressed the Israelites and forced them to work as slaves for him, sent men to kill their children and refused to repent for this or let them go, even though he acknowledged God's existence and saw Moses perform miracles.
** Antioch from the Maccabees book, because of the ''horrible'' tortures he and his people subject a ''whole Jewish family'' to (seven teenage boys and their mother).
** Haman from the Book of Esther is an egomaniac who manipulated the king into attempting to genocide the Jews. Why? ''One'' Jew refused to bow to him!
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* CompleteMonster:
** Satan, who [[FaceHeelTurn rebelled against God]], [[TheManBehindTheMan is behind the creation of all evil in existence]], and acts as the universal [[TheCorrupter Corrupter]], among other things. Apparently, he is so bad {{Hell}} (and later the Lake of Fire) was made specifically for him and his angels.
** The Pharaoh in Exodus is certainly one of them. Oppressed the Israelites and forced them to work as slaves for him, sent men to kill their children and refused to repent for this or let them go, even though he acknowledged God's existence and saw Moses perform miracles.
** Antioch from the Maccabees book, because of the ''horrible'' tortures he and his people subject a ''whole Jewish family'' to (seven teenage boys and their mother).
**CompleteMonster: Haman from the Book of Esther is an egomaniac who manipulated the king into attempting to genocide the Jews. Why? ''One'' Jew refused to bow to him!
** Satan, who [[FaceHeelTurn rebelled against God]], [[TheManBehindTheMan is behind the creation of all evil in existence]], and acts as the universal [[TheCorrupter Corrupter]], among other things. Apparently, he is so bad {{Hell}} (and later the Lake of Fire) was made specifically for him and his angels.
** The Pharaoh in Exodus is certainly one of them. Oppressed the Israelites and forced them to work as slaves for him, sent men to kill their children and refused to repent for this or let them go, even though he acknowledged God's existence and saw Moses perform miracles.
** Antioch from the Maccabees book, because of the ''horrible'' tortures he and his people subject a ''whole Jewish family'' to (seven teenage boys and their mother).
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* FreudWasRight: God demands Abraham circumcise himself and those of his house, then demands he sacrifice his son. [[spoiler:God changes His mind at the end.]]
* HoYay: Judas With Jesus. As far as canon goes ... well. Their kiss is listed as a TropeCodifier on KissOfDeath.
* IAmNotShazam: John the Apostle is ''not'' John the Divine.
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* LesYay: One interpretation of the relationship between Naomi and her daughter-in-law, Ruth. [[CompletelyMissingThePoint Not popular with conservatives, obviously]].
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* NightmareFuel:
** Let's just say there are quite a few moments to say the least.
** Let's just say there are quite a few moments to say the least.
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* NightmareFuel:
**NightmareFuel: Let's just say there are quite a few moments to say the least.
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* OneSceneWonder:
** For being mentioned in all of one line, Methuselah is the subject of a lot of extra-biblical stuff.
** Nimrod is amazingly popular in folklore (the Tower of Babel was apparently built on his orders and he tried to have Abraham killed) and pop culture (shares the name as a villain from TheXMen).
** For being mentioned in all of one line, Methuselah is the subject of a lot of extra-biblical stuff.
** Nimrod is amazingly popular in folklore (the Tower of Babel was apparently built on his orders and he tried to have Abraham killed) and pop culture (shares the name as a villain from TheXMen).
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* WhatDoYouMeanItWasntMadeOnDrugs: Book of Revelation is pretty trippy, man.
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* WhatDoYouMeanItWasntMadeOnDrugs: Book of Revelation is pretty trippy, man.
man. It's definitely the [[MindScrew strangest and most surreal]] book in the Bible. Some people have suggested he was actually under the influence of volcanic fumes (like the Sibyl or the Oracle of Delphi). Others think he was simply trying to record events, places, beings, and substances he was shown but just could not understand.
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** Antioch from the Maccabees book. The ''horrible'' tortures he and his people subject a ''whole Jewish family'' to (seven teenage boys and their mother) are pure HighOctaneNightmareFuel.
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** Antioch from the Maccabees book. The book, because of the ''horrible'' tortures he and his people subject a ''whole Jewish family'' to (seven teenage boys and their mother) are pure HighOctaneNightmareFuel.mother).
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* HighOctaneNightmareFuel:
** Let's just say there are quite a few moments to say the least.
** The Lake of Fire.
** The seven brothers and their mom mentioned in the Maccabeus book. FamilyUnfriendlyDeath doesn't even begin to ''describe'' it.
** The Book of Revelation. Especially [[YourHeadAsplode if it's literal]], well...imagine ''End of Evangelion'' [[MindRape times a million]]. Yeah.
** Let's just say there are quite a few moments to say the least.
** The Lake of Fire.
** The seven brothers and their mom mentioned in the Maccabeus book. FamilyUnfriendlyDeath doesn't even begin to ''describe'' it.
** The Book of Revelation. Especially [[YourHeadAsplode if it's literal]], well...imagine ''End of Evangelion'' [[MindRape times a million]]. Yeah.
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* NeverLiveItDown:
** "Doubting" Thomas. In reality, all of the apostles needed physical proof before believing Jesus' resurrection; Thomas just got singled out because he came in late.
** Judas is always introduced last and his betrayal is always pointed out.
** "Doubting" Thomas. In reality, all of the apostles needed physical proof before believing Jesus' resurrection; Thomas just got singled out because he came in late.
** Judas is always introduced last and his betrayal is always pointed out.
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* NeverLiveItDown:
** "Doubting" Thomas. In reality, all of the apostles needed physical proof before believing Jesus' resurrection; Thomas just got singled out because he came in late.
** Judas is always introduced last and his betrayal is always pointed out.
* NightmareFuel:
** Let's just say there are quite a few moments to say the least.
** The Lake of Fire.
** The seven brothers and their mom mentioned in the Maccabeus book. FamilyUnfriendlyDeath doesn't even begin to ''describe'' it.
** The Book of Revelation. Especially [[YourHeadAsplode if it's literal]], well...imagine ''End of Evangelion'' [[MindRape times a million]]. Yeah.
** "Doubting" Thomas. In reality, all of the apostles needed physical proof before believing Jesus' resurrection; Thomas just got singled out because he came in late.
** Judas is always introduced last and his betrayal is always pointed out.
* NightmareFuel:
** Let's just say there are quite a few moments to say the least.
** The Lake of Fire.
** The seven brothers and their mom mentioned in the Maccabeus book. FamilyUnfriendlyDeath doesn't even begin to ''describe'' it.
** The Book of Revelation. Especially [[YourHeadAsplode if it's literal]], well...imagine ''End of Evangelion'' [[MindRape times a million]]. Yeah.
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YMMV sinkhole
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* AlasPoorVillain: [[YourMileageMayVary Whether you consider Judas redeemed or not]], it's hard not to feel sympathy when he hangs himself.
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* AlasPoorVillain: [[YourMileageMayVary Whether you consider Judas redeemed or not]], not, it's hard not to feel sympathy when he hangs himself.
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* FairForItsDay:
** Look at how women and children were treated in ancient Rome. "Husbands, love your wives" was a revolutionary concept in those days.
** Not to mention the book of Leviticus, which nowadays is looked upon as a long list of difficult rules, but when first made, presented what was, for the day, a refreshingly easy code of law.
** Look at how women and children were treated in ancient Rome. "Husbands, love your wives" was a revolutionary concept in those days.
** Not to mention the book of Leviticus, which nowadays is looked upon as a long list of difficult rules, but when first made, presented what was, for the day, a refreshingly easy code of law.
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* LesYay: One interpretation of the relationship between Naomi and her daughter-in-law, Ruth. [[CompletelyMissingThePoint Not popular with conservatives, obviously]].
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* {{Padding}}: Lots of repetition at points, like with the book of Numbers.
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* WhatDoYouMeanItWasntMadeOnDrugs: Book of Revelation is pretty trippy, man.
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Missing details. Moving \'em to (main) discussion. Please see How To Write An Example. Ho Yay in particular needs lots of in-work specifics because subjectivity is so very easy. We need to know exactly what part of the narrative plays with the idea of a homosexual relationship while stopping short of portraying one.
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* HoYay: There are ''books'' dedicated to teasing homoerotic subtext out of David and Jonathan. And then there are ''more'' books dedicated to discrediting these! And there are ''other'' books trying to explain how this is possible without "man lying with man as with woman". SeriousBusiness all around.
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* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: Holy relics are full of this.
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Not enough details to tell if it\'s Genius Breeding Act or Pair The Smart Ones. As always, the reader is not expected to have read the work.
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** A lot of people (and the nation of Ethiopia) believe the Queen of Sheba was one of Solomon's lovers. It was a GeniusBreedingAct If they actually were.
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** A lot of people (and the nation of Ethiopia) believe the Queen of Sheba was one of Solomon's lovers. It was a GeniusBreedingAct If they actually were.
