History YMMV / Lucifer2016

** After the Season 5 finale has [[spoiler: Lucifer becoming God]]. He spends 8 out of the 10 episodes of the final season getting in the way of detours or filmsy excuses to not rise as [[spoiler: God]] yet. Only for him to decide [[spoiler: he doesn't wanna do it and leaves it to Amenadiel]].

** The biggest reason why Vicent Le Mec is considered a poor villain is that every development that allowed him to become a threat against Lucifer is rather poorly justified in the narrative:
*** The first major development is that [[spoiler: Daniel managed to posess his body to avert him from robbing a store which allowed him to get some memories from him]]. This comes after 6 seasons of showing how Celestials can only posess the bodies of people who recently died, making it hard to buy that [[spoiler: a human could possess the body of a ''living'' person]]. Lucifer even lampshades he has no idea how this could have happened.

*** But the biggest one is him [[spoiler: ''somehow managing to kidnapp Rory'']]. Which is never explained and it happens off-screen. Even if you somehow buy the Daniel's memories explanation, he had no way of knowing where she was or that [[spoiler:the elephant tranquilizers could put her to sleep. And the last time we saw each character, Rory was flying away heavily implying she was going back to her time and Vicent was close to Trixie, Chloe's other daughter, which is human and therefore a much more easier target, leaving the impression that Trixie was meant to be kidnapped before they changer their mind at the last minute.]]

** Rory quickly took [[spoiler: her mother's]] place as the most polarizing character in the show. A lot of fans see her an annoying {{Wangst}}y brat that keeps blaming Lucifer for things he hasn't committed yet (and doesn't plan to do), who is way too inmature for someone over 50 years and hates she gets more relevance that anyone not called Lucifer and Chloe. While other fans think she has a legitimate reason to be angry, enjoy her dynamic with [[spoiler:her parents]] and argue detractors are a bit too harsh in her immaturity, considering it took the entire story of mankind for Lucifer to grow up of his worst tendencies. The overall concept of [[spoiler: Lucifer and Chloe's daughter from the future]] is divisive with opinions ranging from "[[NarmCharm an odd choice but it works with the story they were writting]]" to "[[{{Narm}} something out of a bad fanfic]]". The major point of contention with the character however is her role in the polarizing GrandFinale. Was she justified in [[spoiler: asking Lucifer to keep the time loop and abandoning her family for the sake of keeping her as she is now or did she doom their parents to living unhappy and unfilling lifes for extremely dumb reasons?]]

** [[spoiler: Lucifer deciding to go against becoming God is meant to be as a sign he hasn't found his true vocation yet, but the fact that he decides this after a whole war was fighted in his favour, one of her sisters was rendered DeaderThatDead and at the same time a potential Apocalypsis was about to happen (it was a false alarm but he didn't knew it at the moemnt )makes him look completely selfish and uncaring on how this choice would affect the people around him]]. Amenadiel even lampshades this but his points are dismissed by both Lucifer and the narrative.

** Lucifer and Daniel's relationship is pretty much the platonic equivalent of a RomanticPlotTumor. Each season has them interchanging between being at odds with each other to being FireForgedFriends to VitriolicBestBuds, only for something to happen at the end of the seasons that causes them to go back to stage one. By Season 5, most fans were tired of the writers constantly ruining their relationship for the sake of drama.
** After the Season 5 finale has [[spoiler: Lucifer becoming God]]. He spends 8 out of the 10 episodes of the final season getting in the way of detours or filmsy excuses to not rise as [[spoiler: God]] yet. Only for him to decide [[spoiler: he doesn't wanna do it and leaves it to Amenadiel]]

** But the biggest one is him [[spoiler: ''somehow managing to kidnapp Rory'']]. Which is never explained and it happens off-screen. Even if you somehow buy the Daniel's memories explanation, he had no way of knowing where she was or that [[spoiler:the elephant tranquilizers could put her to sleep. And the last time we saw each character, Rory was flying away heavily implying she was going back to her time and Vicent was close to Trixie, Chloe's other daughter, which is human and therefore a much more easier target, leaving the impression that Trixie was meant to be kidnapped before they changer their mind at the last minute.]]

** Rory quickly took [[spoiler: her mother's]] place as the most polarizing character in the show. A lot of fans see her an annoying {{Wangst}}y brat that keeps blaming Lucifer for things he hasn't committed yet (and doesn't plan to do), who is way too inmature for someone over 50 years and hates she gets more relevance that anyone not called Lucifer and Chloe. While other fans think she has a legitimate reason to be angry, enjoy her dynamic with [[spoiler:her parents]] and argue detractors are a bit too harsh in her immaturity, considering it took the entire story of mankind for Lucifer to grow up of his worst tendencies. The overall concept of [[spoiler: Lucifer and Chloe's daughter from the future]] is divisive with opinions ranging from "[[NarmCharm an odd choice but it works with the story they were writting]]" to "[[{{Narm}} something out of a bad fanfic]]". The major point of contention with the character however is her role in the polarizing GrandFinale. Was she justified in [[spoiler: asking Lucifer to keep the time loop and abandoning her family for the sake of keeping her as she is now or did she doom their parents to living unhappy and unfilling lifes for extremelly dumb reasons?]]

** Downplayed with Maze, who was only a BaseBreakingCharacter during Season 3's airing, but the treatment her character got in Season 4 and 5 was much better received, with genuinely tragic storylines regarding her abandonment issues, need for affection, and bringing a deeper level of worldbuilding and characterisation thanks to [[TheSoulless her]] [[MissingMom backstory]].

** Season 6 however is widly regarded as the nadir of the show. Mostly it comes from a controversial StoryArc focused on [[spoiler: Lucifer's and Chloe's daughter from the future]], a concept most fans found too ludicrous and absurd to take seriously, abandoning the teased aftermath of [[spoiler: Lucifer becoming God]] (which is the whole reason Netflix even greenlighted the season) by having Lucifer finding excused or detours around it [[spoiler: before Lucifer decides he doesn't wanna do it]], [[spoiler: Amenadiel becoming God after 5 seasons of learning to see Earth as his new home]], Linda getting NoEnding and seeing her life's work being destroyed and underwhelming final villain, which all culminated in an controversial ending involving [[spoiler: Lucifer being forced to spend the rest of Chloe's lifetime apart from her for the sake of keeping a time loop]].

* TaintedByThePreview: Trailers for the show got a very negative response from fans of the comic. The LighterAndSofter comedic tone and PoliceProcedural format are especially criticized.

** Rory in Season 6. Despite the fact that everyone tells her repeatedly that Lucifer is a great person, she still decides they all must be lying and that [[spoiler:he abandoned her]]. She then [[spoiler:goes back in time]] to kill him, and even as everyone comes up with perfectly reasonable reasons why Lucifer [[spoiler:disappeared]], she still angrily insults Lucifer and everyone for defending him. Not helped that even though she is 40 to 60 years old she acts like a bratty teenager for most of the season. Then, just when she realizes [[spoiler:her father]] is a good man, she forces him to [[spoiler:abandon her past self and prevent him the joy of being there for her all because she wants to preserve a time loop only she cares about]].

** Lucifer and Daniel's relationship is pretty much the platonic equivalent of a RomanticPlotTumor. Each season has them interchanging between being at odds with each other to being FiredForgedFriends to VitriolicBestBuds, only for something to happen at the end of the seasons that causes them to go back to stage one. By Season 5, most fans were tired of the writers constantly ruining their relationship for the sake of drama.

*** Vicent getting some memories from [[spoiler: Daniel]] thanks to the experence is an AssPull on it's own given Charlotte Richards, a major character on Season 3 was also possesed for a while and she doesn't have memories from back then and Daniel had no way of knowing [[spoiler: Rory's feathers or elephant tranquilizers
could be used as weapons against Celestials]], making it bizarre he has that information.

* ArcFatigue: One of the many complaints Season 3 received is just how long it was, being twenty-four episodes long (not counting the two bonus episodes).
* AssPull: [[spoiler: Ella finding out the truth about his close friends truly being Celestials like Lucifer proclaimed. Unlike Chloe, Ella or Daniel, there was nothing she witnessed that would have allowed her to make that connection and the show never adresses how she figure it out. All we see is Amenadiel saying that her paranoic theory about a potential Apocalypse was a stretch (which is something very rational to say, Celestial or not) and in the following scene she has a whiteboard with all the connections.]]

* SeasonalRot: Season 3 is generally regarded as the weakest season. [[EnsembleDarkhorse Maze]] suddenly became UnintentionallyUnsympathetic, Chloe and Marcus got StrangledByTheRedString for the sake of a LoveTriangle with Lucifer, Lucifer's CharacterDevelopment stagnated and at times regressed, and the season just had a lot of {{Padding}} that saw characters be indecisive about what they want to do with their lives, and then change their minds after an episode or two.

** Rory in Season 6. Despite the fact that everyone tells her repeatedly that Lucifer is a great person, she still decides they all must be lying and that [[spoiler:he abandoned her]]. She then [[spoiler:goes back in time]] to kill him, and even as everyone comes up with perfectly reasonable reasons why Lucifer [[spoiler:disappeared]], she still angrily insults Lucifer and everyone for defending him. Not helped that even though she is 40 to 60 years old she acts like a bratty teenager for most of the season. Then, just when she realizes [[spoiler:her father]] is a good man, she forces him to [[spoiler:abandon her past self and prevent him the joy of being there for her all because she wants to preserve a time loop only she cares about]].
*** Also on Rory is a general dislike of how Trixie was handled as she's nowhere in sight at the end [[spoiler:when Chloe dies of old age]]. It should have been a very important moment for the character, yet apparently the writers felt it was better for Rory to only be there for the scene. Many fans have expressed a great displeasure over how a character beloved for five seasons was barely used and then out and out ignored at the end for this new character and her unfounded wangst. While it's not something the character herself did, many fans felt it's because of Rory that Trixie was sidelined so hard and don't feel a lick of sympathy for her.

** Maze for a small bunch is this as well, although it has less to do with her CharacterDevelopment, back story (which have been well received, especially around Season 5) and her interaction with the other characters (most notably with Linda and Ella), but rather the fact the writing constantly throws in HeelFaceRevolvingDoor scenarios with her multiple times and then is instantly forgiven.

** Maze for a small bunch is this as well, although it has less to do with her CharacterDevelopment, back story (which have been well received, especially around Season 5) and her interaction with the other characters (most notably with Linda and Ella), but rather the fact the writing constantly throws in HeelFaceRevolvingDoor scenarios with her multiple times and then is instantly forgiven.

* EndingFatigue: One of the many complaints Season 3 received is just how long it was, being twenty-four episodes long (not counting the two bonus episodes).

** Dan is also this in the fourth season for some. His anger that Lucifer witholding information led to someone's death comes off as very hypocritical given his actions in the first season and the fact he never admits to almost getting Lucifer and his own daughter killed makes him come off as a KarmaHoudini.

* SugarWiki/SheReallyCanAct: For those who generally find Lauren German's performance to be [[DullSurprise wooden and underwhelming]], "O, Ye of Little Faith, Father" saw her knock it out of the park during her final scene in the episode.

* SpecialEffectsFailure:

* TheyChangedItSoItSucks: A general reaction of many ''ComicBook/{{Lucifer}}'' fans with the absence of Elaine and Michael being noted in particular.

** The show ends with [[spoiler: Lucifer helping the damned souls on Hell so they go to heaven, [[WesternAnimation/HazbinHotel Like father, like daughter.]]]]

* EvilIsSexy:
** Lucifer of course, but it's somewhat downplayed as he's not quite as evil as he used to be.
** Maze definitely counts as well.
** Given that he's the twin brother of Lucifer himself (as well as played by the same actor), Michael can also qualify despite lacking redeeming qualities.

** Season 4’s big WhamLine reveals [[spoiler: only an angel or celestial can rule Hell]], which dramatically shifts perception how and why Lucifer is King of Hell.

*** Also on Rory is a general dislike on how Trixie was handled in the end where she is nowhere in sight at the end [[spoiler:when Chloe dies of old age]]. It should have been a very important moment for the character yet apparently the writer's felt it was better for Rory to only be there for the scene. Many fans have expressed a great displeasure over how a character beloved for five seasons was barely used and then out and out ignored at the end for this new character and her unfounded wangst . While it is nothing the character herself did in her actions, many fans are feeling it's because of Rory that Trixie was sidelined so hard and don't feel a lick of sympathy for her.

** Also on Rory is a general dislike on how Trixie was handled in the end where she is nowhere in sight at the end [[spoiler:when Chloe dies of old age]]. It should have been a very important moment for the character yet apparently the writer's felt it was better for Rory to only be there for the scene. Many fans have expressed a great displeasure over how a character beloved for five seasons was barely used and then out and out ignored at the end for this new character and her unfounded wangst . While it is nothing the character herself did in her actions, many fans are feeling it's because of Rory that Trixie was sidelined so hard and don't feel a lick of sympathy for her.

** Dan is also this in the fourth for some. His anger that Lucifer witholding information led to someone's death comes off as very hypocritical given his actions in the first season and the fact he never admits to almost getting Lucifer and his own daughter killed makes him come off as a KarmaHoudini.

** Dan is also this in the fourth for some. His anger that Lucifer witholding information led to someone's death comes offf as very hypocritical given his actions in thr first season and the fact he never admits to almost getting Lucifer and his own daughter killed makes him come off as a KarmaHoudini.

** Rory in Season 6. Despite the fact that everyone tells her repeatedly that Lucifer is a great person, she still decides they all must be lying and that [[spoiler:he abandoned her]]. She then [[spoiler:goes back in time]] to kill him, and even as everyone comes up with perfectly reasonable reasons why Lucifer [[spoiler:disappeared]], she still angrily insults Lucifer and everyone for defending him. Not helped that even though she is 40 to 60 years old she acts like a BrattyTeenager for most of the season. Then, just when she realizes [[spoiler:her father]] is a good man, she forces him to [[spoiler:abandon her past self and prevent him the joy of being there for her all because she wants to preserve a time loop only she cares about]].

* AcceptableTargets: In "My Brother's Keeper," Lucifer compels a crooked jewellery store owner to tell him her greatest desire, and she reveals that it's to punch every single Millennial in the face. Lucifer admits that he sympathizes with that wish. Of course, the reason she wants to do so is because Millennial's ethical practices making it harder for her to sell diamonds, so it's a bit of a wash.

* AuthorsSavingThrow:
** After all the issues with Chloe mentioned under BaseBreakingCharacter and UnintentionallyUnsympathetic, in Season 5 [[spoiler:she is at long last on top of things from the start, immediately detecting that Michael's performance as Lucifer isn't quite right and just playing along until she finally exposes him after just one episode.]]
** After Season 5, quite a few fans were irked that before the show got a surprise renewal for another season, it was going to end with Ella ''never'' being let in on TheMasquerade, or at least its only happening during the removed final montage without any time to properly let the moment breathe. Season 6 makes up for it in a big way as [[spoiler:she actually figures the whole thing out by herself, and is ''pissed'' that everyone kept her in the dark for so long]].

** One-shot villain Julian [=McCaffrey=] crossed it long before his appearance in the series by starting a human-trafficking ring.

** Everytime Amenadiel calls the protagonist "Luci", it sounds very much like "Lucy". Kind of undermines his whole stern old-testament KnightTemplar Schtick.

** Also on Rory is a general dislike on how Trixie was handled in the end where she is nowhere in sight at the end [[spoiler:when Chloe dies of old age]]. It should have been a very important moment for the character yet apparently the writer's felt it was better for Rory to only be there for the scene. Many fans have expressed a great displeasure over how a character beloved for five seasons was barely used and then out and out ignored at the end for this new character and her wangst unfounded . While it is nothing the character herself did in her actions, many fans are feeling it's because of Rory that Trixie was sidelined so hard and don't feel a lick of sympathy for her.

** Rory in Season 6. Despite the fact that everyone tells her repeatedly that Lucifer is a great person, she still decides they all must be lying and that [[spoiler:he abandoned her]]. She then [[spoiler:goes back in time]] to kill him, and even as everyone comes up with perfectly reasonable reasons why Lucifer [[spoiler:disappeared]], she still angrily insults Lucifer and everyone for defending him. Not helped that even though she is 40 to 60 years old she acts like a BrattyTeenager for most of the season. Then, just when she realizes [[spoiler:her father]] is a good man, she forces him to [[spoiler:abandon her past self and prevent him the joy of being there for her all because she wants to preserve a time loop only she cares about]].