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* AssPull: [[spoiler: Ella finding out the truth about his close friends truly being Celestials like Lucifer proclaimed. Unlike Chloe, Ella or Daniel, there was nothing she witnessed that would have allowed her to make that connection and the show never adresses how she figure it out. All we see is Amenadiel saying that her paranoic theory about a potential Apocalypse was a stretch (which is something very rational to say, Celestial or not) and in the following scene she has a whiteboard with all the connections.]]



** Maze for a small bunch is this as well, although it has less to do with her CharacterDevelopment, back story (which have been well received, especially around Season 5) and her interaction with the other characters (most notably with Linda and Ella), but rather the fact the writing constantly throws in HeelFaceRevolvingDoor scenarios with her multiple times and then is instantly forgiven.

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** Maze for Maze. While a small bunch is this as well, although it has less lot fans adore her, thanks to do with her CharacterDevelopment, back story (which have been well received, especially around Season 5) and her interaction with the other characters (most notably with Linda and Ella), but rather the fact the writing constantly throws in a lot of fans dislike her thanks to her constant HeelFaceRevolvingDoor scenarios with and her multiple times KarmaHoudini and then EasilyForgiven status which is instantly forgiven.even lampshaded in-universe. She became particulary polarizing during her JerkassBall in Season 3. Which depending on the fan made her a JerkassWoobie or UnintentionallyUnsympathetic.

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* AssPull: [[spoiler: Ella finding out the truth about his close friends truly being Celestials like Lucifer proclaimed. Unlike Chloe, Ella or Daniel, there was nothing she witnessed that would have allowed her to make that connection and the show never adresses how she figure it out. All we see is Amenadiel saying that her paranoic theory about a potential Apocalypse was a stretch (which is something very rational to say, Celestial or not) and in the following scene she has a whiteboard with all the connections.]]



** Maze for a small bunch is this as well, although it has less to do with her CharacterDevelopment, back story (which have been well received, especially around Season 5) and her interaction with the other characters (most notably with Linda and Ella), but rather the fact the writing constantly throws in HeelFaceRevolvingDoor scenarios with her multiple times and then is instantly forgiven.

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** Maze for Maze. While a small bunch is this as well, although it has less lot fans adore her, thanks to do with her CharacterDevelopment, back story (which have been well received, especially around Season 5) and her interaction with the other characters (most notably with Linda and Ella), but rather the fact the writing constantly throws in a lot of fans dislike her thanks to her constant HeelFaceRevolvingDoor scenarios with and her multiple times KarmaHoudini and then EasilyForgiven status which is instantly forgiven.even lampshaded in-universe. She became particulary polarizing during her JerkassBall in Season 3. Which depending on the fan made her a JerkassWoobie or UnintentionallyUnsympathetic.

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* ArcFatigue: One of the many complaints Season 3 received is just how long it was, being twenty-four episodes long (not counting the two bonus episodes).



* EndingFatigue: One of the many complaints Season 3 received is just how long it was, being twenty-four episodes long (not counting the two bonus episodes).

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* EndingFatigue: One of the many complaints Season 3 received is just how long it was, being twenty-four episodes long (not counting already suffered from ArcFatigue. But then after reaching the climax and giving the show a major cliffhanger, it decides to pull two bonus episodes).episodes of unrelated events (one being an {{Interquel}} and the other being an WhatIf).
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He's meant to be unsympathetic. All of that is adressed in the show and he has a Jerkass Realization about it.


** Dan is also this in the fourth season for some. His anger that Lucifer witholding information led to someone's death comes off as very hypocritical given his actions in the first season and the fact he never admits to almost getting Lucifer and his own daughter killed makes him come off as a KarmaHoudini.
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* SugarWiki/SheReallyCanAct: For those who generally find Lauren German's performance to be [[DullSurprise wooden and underwhelming]], "O, Ye of Little Faith, Father" saw her knock it out of the park during her final scene in the episode.

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* SugarWiki/SheReallyCanAct: [[SugarWiki/HeReallyCanAct She Really Can Act]]: For those who generally find Lauren German's performance to be [[DullSurprise wooden and underwhelming]], "O, Ye of Little Faith, Father" saw her knock it out of the park during her final scene in the episode.



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* TheyChangedItSoItSucks: A general reaction of many ''ComicBook/{{Lucifer}}'' fans with the absence of Elaine and Michael being noted in particular.

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* TheyChangedItSoItSucks: TheyChangedItNowItSucks: A general reaction of many ''ComicBook/{{Lucifer}}'' fans with the absence of Elaine and Michael being noted in particular.
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** The show ends with [[spoiler: Lucifer helping the damned souls on Hell so they go to heaven, [[WesternAnimation/HazbinHotel Like father, like daughter.]]]]

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** The show ends with [[spoiler: Lucifer helping the damned souls on Hell so they can go to heaven, [[WesternAnimation/HazbinHotel Like father, like daughter.]]]]
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** The show ends with [[spoiler: Lucifer helping the damned souls on Hell so they go to heaven, [[WesternAnimation/HazbinHotel Like father, like daughter.]]]]
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* IKnewIt:
** After the Behind the Scenes look for episode 14 "Candy Morningstar" was released, plenty of fans correctly guessed that [[spoiler:Lucifer's marriage to Candy was fake.]]
** Likewise, many people managed to guess that [[spoiler:Lucifer gets his wings back in 2x18]].
** After a writer dropped a hint that the season finale would end on a cliffhanger, a number of people managed to guess that the cliffhanger would be [[spoiler: Chloe discovering the truth about Lucifer]].
** Who didn't guess from the moment that [[spoiler: God said he was retiring that Amenadiel would take the big seat in the end?]]
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* EvilIsSexy:
** Lucifer of course, but it's somewhat downplayed as he's not quite as evil as he used to be.
** Maze definitely counts as well.
** Given that he's the twin brother of Lucifer himself (as well as played by the same actor), Michael can also qualify despite lacking redeeming qualities.
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** Season 4’s big WhamLine reveals [[spoiler: only an angel or celestial can rule Hell]], which dramatically shifts perception how and why Lucifer is King of Hell.

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** Season 4’s 4's big WhamLine reveals [[spoiler: only an angel or celestial can rule Hell]], which dramatically shifts perception how and why Lucifer is King of Hell.



*** Also on Rory is a general dislike on how Trixie was handled in the end where she is nowhere in sight at the end [[spoiler:when Chloe dies of old age]]. It should have been a very important moment for the character yet apparently the writer's felt it was better for Rory to only be there for the scene. Many fans have expressed a great displeasure over how a character beloved for five seasons was barely used and then out and out ignored at the end for this new character and her unfounded wangst . While it is nothing the character herself did in her actions, many fans are feeling it's because of Rory that Trixie was sidelined so hard and don't feel a lick of sympathy for her.

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*** Also on Rory is a general dislike on of how Trixie was handled in the end where she is as she's nowhere in sight at the end [[spoiler:when Chloe dies of old age]]. It should have been a very important moment for the character character, yet apparently the writer's writers felt it was better for Rory to only be there for the scene. Many fans have expressed a great displeasure over how a character beloved for five seasons was barely used and then out and out ignored at the end for this new character and her unfounded wangst . wangst. While it is nothing it's not something the character herself did in her actions, did, many fans are feeling felt it's because of Rory that Trixie was sidelined so hard and don't feel a lick of sympathy for her.
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** Also on Rory is a general dislike on how Trixie was handled in the end where she is nowhere in sight at the end [[spoiler:when Chloe dies of old age]]. It should have been a very important moment for the character yet apparently the writer's felt it was better for Rory to only be there for the scene. Many fans have expressed a great displeasure over how a character beloved for five seasons was barely used and then out and out ignored at the end for this new character and her unfounded wangst . While it is nothing the character herself did in her actions, many fans are feeling it's because of Rory that Trixie was sidelined so hard and don't feel a lick of sympathy for her.

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** *** Also on Rory is a general dislike on how Trixie was handled in the end where she is nowhere in sight at the end [[spoiler:when Chloe dies of old age]]. It should have been a very important moment for the character yet apparently the writer's felt it was better for Rory to only be there for the scene. Many fans have expressed a great displeasure over how a character beloved for five seasons was barely used and then out and out ignored at the end for this new character and her unfounded wangst . While it is nothing the character herself did in her actions, many fans are feeling it's because of Rory that Trixie was sidelined so hard and don't feel a lick of sympathy for her.
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** Dan is also this in the fourth for some. His anger that Lucifer witholding information led to someone's death comes off as very hypocritical given his actions in the first season and the fact he never admits to almost getting Lucifer and his own daughter killed makes him come off as a KarmaHoudini.

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** Dan is also this in the fourth season for some. His anger that Lucifer witholding information led to someone's death comes off as very hypocritical given his actions in the first season and the fact he never admits to almost getting Lucifer and his own daughter killed makes him come off as a KarmaHoudini.
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** Dan is also this in the fourth for some. His anger that Lucifer witholding information led to someone's death comes offf as very hypocritical given his actions in thr first season and the fact he never admits to almost getting Lucifer and his own daughter killed makes him come off as a KarmaHoudini.

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** Dan is also this in the fourth for some. His anger that Lucifer witholding information led to someone's death comes offf off as very hypocritical given his actions in thr the first season and the fact he never admits to almost getting Lucifer and his own daughter killed makes him come off as a KarmaHoudini.
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** Dan is also this in the fourth for some. His anger that Lucifer witholding information led to someone's death comes offf as very hypocritical given his actions in thr first season and the fact he never admits to almost getting Lucifer and his own daughter killed makes him come off as a KarmaHoudini.
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* AdaptationDisplacement: With the exception of the basic premise ([[ToHellWithThisInfernalJob The Devil quits ruling Hell]] and opens a night-club in LA) and a selection of names (Lucifer Morningstar, Mazikeen, Amanadiel, Lux), the show has very little to do with the comic it's based on.
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** Rory in Season 6. Despite the fact that everyone tells her repeatedly that Lucifer is a great person, she still decides they all must be lying and that [[spoiler:he abandoned her]]. She then [[spoiler:goes back in time]] to kill him, and even as everyone comes up with perfectly reasonable reasons why Lucifer [[spoiler:disappeared]], she still angrily insults Lucifer and everyone for defending him. Not helped that even though she is 40 to 60 years old she acts like a BrattyTeenager for most of the season. Then, just when she realizes [[spoiler:her father]] is a good man, she forces him to [[spoiler:abandon her past self and prevent him the joy of being there for her all because she wants to preserve a time loop only she cares about]].

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** Rory in Season 6. Despite the fact that everyone tells her repeatedly that Lucifer is a great person, she still decides they all must be lying and that [[spoiler:he abandoned her]]. She then [[spoiler:goes back in time]] to kill him, and even as everyone comes up with perfectly reasonable reasons why Lucifer [[spoiler:disappeared]], she still angrily insults Lucifer and everyone for defending him. Not helped that even though she is 40 to 60 years old she acts like a BrattyTeenager bratty teenager for most of the season. Then, just when she realizes [[spoiler:her father]] is a good man, she forces him to [[spoiler:abandon her past self and prevent him the joy of being there for her all because she wants to preserve a time loop only she cares about]].
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* AcceptableTargets: In "My Brother's Keeper," Lucifer compels a crooked jewellery store owner to tell him her greatest desire, and she reveals that it's to punch every single Millennial in the face. Lucifer admits that he sympathizes with that wish. Of course, the reason she wants to do so is because Millennial's ethical practices making it harder for her to sell diamonds, so it's a bit of a wash.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow:
** After all the issues with Chloe mentioned under BaseBreakingCharacter and UnintentionallyUnsympathetic, in Season 5 [[spoiler:she is at long last on top of things from the start, immediately detecting that Michael's performance as Lucifer isn't quite right and just playing along until she finally exposes him after just one episode.]]
** After Season 5, quite a few fans were irked that before the show got a surprise renewal for another season, it was going to end with Ella ''never'' being let in on TheMasquerade, or at least its only happening during the removed final montage without any time to properly let the moment breathe. Season 6 makes up for it in a big way as [[spoiler:she actually figures the whole thing out by herself, and is ''pissed'' that everyone kept her in the dark for so long]].
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* AluminumChristmasTrees: The existence of the Goddess/"Mum". Yes, the Judeo-Christian God really did have a wife in an early version of the religion (she's called Asherah, by the way). In fact, every Middle Eastern cultures, from the Israelites to the Arabs, started out polytheistic. The Israelites didn't start worshiping Yahweh as their only God until after the Babylonian captivity and the process wasn't complete until the late 1st millennium BCE.

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** One-shot villain Julian [=McCaffrey=] crossed it long before his appearance in the series by starting a human-trafficking ring.



** Everytime Amenadiel calls the protagonist "Luci", it sounds very much like "Lucy". Kind of undermines his whole stern old-testament KnightTemplar Schtick.

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** Everytime Every time Amenadiel calls the protagonist "Luci", it sounds very much like "Lucy". Kind of undermines his whole stern old-testament KnightTemplar Schtick.
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** Also on Rory is a general dislike on how Trixie was handled in the end where she is nowhere in sight at the end [[spoiler:when Chloe dies of old age]]. It should have been a very important moment for the character yet apparently the writer's felt it was better for Rory to only be there for the scene. Many fans have expressed a great displeasure over how a character beloved for five seasons was barely used and then out and out ignored at the end for this new character and her wangst unfounded . While it is nothing the character herself did in her actions, many fans are feeling it's because of Rory that Trixie was sidelined so hard and don't feel a lick of sympathy for her.

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** Also on Rory is a general dislike on how Trixie was handled in the end where she is nowhere in sight at the end [[spoiler:when Chloe dies of old age]]. It should have been a very important moment for the character yet apparently the writer's felt it was better for Rory to only be there for the scene. Many fans have expressed a great displeasure over how a character beloved for five seasons was barely used and then out and out ignored at the end for this new character and her wangst unfounded .unfounded wangst . While it is nothing the character herself did in her actions, many fans are feeling it's because of Rory that Trixie was sidelined so hard and don't feel a lick of sympathy for her.
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** Rory in Season 6. Despite the fact that everyone tells her repeatedly that Lucifer is a great person, she still decides they all must be lying and that [[spoiler:he abandoned her]]. She then [[spoiler:goes back in time]] to kill him, and even as everyone comes up with perfectly reasonable reasons why Lucifer [[spoiler:disappeared]], she still angrily insults Lucifer and everyone for defending him. Not helped that even though she is 40 to 60 years old she acts like a BrattyTeenager for most of the season. Then, just when she realizes [[spoiler:her father]] is a good man, she forces him to [[spoiler:abandon her past self and prevent him the joy of being there for her all because she wants to preserve a time loop only she cares about]].

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** Rory in Season 6. Despite the fact that everyone tells her repeatedly that Lucifer is a great person, she still decides they all must be lying and that [[spoiler:he abandoned her]]. She then [[spoiler:goes back in time]] to kill him, and even as everyone comes up with perfectly reasonable reasons why Lucifer [[spoiler:disappeared]], she still angrily insults Lucifer and everyone for defending him. Not helped that even though she is 40 to 60 years old she acts like a BrattyTeenager for most of the season. Then, just when she realizes [[spoiler:her father]] is a good man, she forces him to [[spoiler:abandon her past self and prevent him the joy of being there for her all because she wants to preserve a time loop only she cares about]].about]].
** Also on Rory is a general dislike on how Trixie was handled in the end where she is nowhere in sight at the end [[spoiler:when Chloe dies of old age]]. It should have been a very important moment for the character yet apparently the writer's felt it was better for Rory to only be there for the scene. Many fans have expressed a great displeasure over how a character beloved for five seasons was barely used and then out and out ignored at the end for this new character and her wangst unfounded . While it is nothing the character herself did in her actions, many fans are feeling it's because of Rory that Trixie was sidelined so hard and don't feel a lick of sympathy for her.

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