Follow TV Tropes

Following

History YMMV / Lucifer

Go To



* CompleteMonster: [[OmnicidalManiac Fenris]] is the Nordic BeastOfTheApocalypse and the self-proclaimed ruler of "everything that ravels, rapes, and rends". Following [[HaveYouSeenMyGod God's abdication of His throne]], leading to the slow unraveling of the universe, Fenris decided to take a personal interest in speeding up the process. Murdering several other Norse gods whom he'd previous claimed he'd made peace with, Fenris takes control of a mentally ill man and tries to force him to murder his wife and son among the roots of Yggdrasil, which would render the destruction of the universe inevitable. When this plan fails, Fenris murders his accomplice, the African trickster god Abonsam, and uses his blood to take control of Lucifer and kill his brother Michael, watering the tree with his blood. In the final arc, Fenris joins [[LegionOfDoom Lilith's alliance of past villains]], eviscerates the ArchangelUriel, kills the noble human Hell-Lord Christopher Rudd, and destroys God's throne, which would have immediately destroyed the entire cosmos had God's granddaughter, Elaine Belloc, not agreed to succeed him.

to:

* CompleteMonster: CompleteMonster ("The Wolf Beneath the Tree" & "Morningstar" arcs): [[OmnicidalManiac Fenris]] is the Nordic BeastOfTheApocalypse and the self-proclaimed ruler of "everything that ravels, rapes, and rends". Following [[HaveYouSeenMyGod God's abdication of His throne]], leading to the slow unraveling of the universe, Fenris decided to take a personal interest in speeding up the process. Murdering several other Norse gods whom he'd previous claimed he'd made peace with, Fenris takes control of a mentally ill man and tries to force him to murder his wife and son among the roots of Yggdrasil, which would render the destruction of the universe inevitable. When this plan fails, Fenris murders his accomplice, the African trickster god Abonsam, and uses his blood to take control of Lucifer and kill his brother Michael, watering the tree with his blood. In the final arc, Fenris joins [[LegionOfDoom Lilith's alliance of past villains]], eviscerates the ArchangelUriel, kills the noble human Hell-Lord Christopher Rudd, and destroys God's throne, which would have immediately destroyed the entire cosmos had God's granddaughter, Elaine Belloc, not agreed to succeed him.


* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: The final scene of the comic is subject to much interpretation. [[spoiler: Lucifer leaves the universe to be off by himself for all eternity after a conversation with the Old God about enlightenment. The thing is, Lucifer explictly rejects the comparison and abandons his seeming loved ones. Some have seen this as a metaphor for Lucifer growing up and being mature. Others see it as showing Lucifer is so pathologically immature he can't stand to be around ''anyone'' now since contact with other people makes you dependent on them. I.e. he actually got ''worse'' rather than better.]]

to:

* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: The final scene of the comic is subject to much interpretation. [[spoiler: Lucifer leaves the universe to be off by himself for all eternity after a conversation with the Old God about enlightenment. The thing is, Lucifer explictly explicitly rejects the comparison and abandons his seeming loved ones. Some have seen this as a metaphor for Lucifer growing up and being mature. Others see it as showing Lucifer is so pathologically immature he can't stand to be around ''anyone'' now since contact with other people makes you dependent on them. I.e. he actually got ''worse'' rather than better.]]]]
* BaseBreakingCharacter: People are split on how wildly different the 2019 series is to the original comic's run. While the original Mike Carrey series portrayed Lucifer as an [[LackOfEmpathy amoral]] being who only ever came after you if you were a direct threat to him or his assets and [[MagnificentBastard never had to suffer any lasting consequences for it]], in 2019 ''The Sandman Universe'' run he is portrayed closer to a more conventionally evil Devil who is more likely to torment humans for his own gain and suffer a PyrrhicVictory from the fallout it causes. While fans think that this change missed the point of what made Lucifer Morningstar so intriguing, others find the idea of Lucifer's behavior being portrayed as self-destructive and actually having to consider his actions makes him intriguing an a whole new way. Really it depends on who you'd want Lucifer to be: an {{Ubermensch}} who's AboveGoodAndEvil, or a ByronicHero who is just as much a villain to himself as he is to the rest of the Universe.
* CharacterRerailment: The 2019 ''The Sandman Universe'' design for Lucifer is done in a Music/DavidBowie-esq [[OtherworldlyAndSexuallyAmbiguous beautifully androgynous]] design that Creator/NeilGaiman originally intended compared to the more conventionally handsome portrayal in the Mike Carrey series (and its Holly Black continuation).


* MagnificentBastard: Lucifer Morningstar is the endlessly proud, brilliant and dangerous Devil. Seeking his freedom from creation, Lucifer deals with endless threats to his new Creation and his safety, constantly outplaying and destroying them. Even in places where he is powerless, such as the Japanese underworld Yomi, Lucifer sees through every trap against him and defeats his supposed hosts. When struck down by another trap, Lucifer returns to life by manipulating his niece Elaine Belloc into sacrificing her life for him and promptly outsmarts and destroys the angel Amenadiel who seeks to destroy him when he is still recovering before returning Elaine to life to repay his debt. Pursuing his freedom from all Creation, Lucifer constantly demonstrates why he is the king of manipulation, second only to God himself.

to:

* MagnificentBastard: [[{{Satan}} Lucifer Morningstar Morningstar]] is the endlessly proud, brilliant and dangerous Devil. Seeking his freedom from creation, Lucifer deals with endless threats to his new Creation and his safety, constantly outplaying and destroying them. Even in places where he is powerless, such as the Japanese underworld Yomi, Lucifer sees through every trap against him and defeats his supposed hosts. When struck down by another trap, Lucifer returns to life by manipulating his niece Elaine Belloc into sacrificing her life for him and promptly outsmarts and destroys the angel Amenadiel who seeks to destroy him when he is still recovering before returning Elaine to life to repay his debt. Pursuing his freedom from all Creation, Lucifer constantly demonstrates why he is the king of manipulation, second only to God himself.


* TheWoobie: Caliban in the new series. He has AbusivePArents who [[ParentalNeglect neglect him]] on top of everything else they do, he starves for a great deal of his life, often living on the streets and being beaten for his deformities. When he ''finally'' reunites with his parents, they're far too concerned with their own plans (even if [[PetTheDog Lucifer's]] is well-meant) and egos to really notice him - and when his angelic family comes to see him, he's so distraught by the contrast between their beauty and his ugliness that he begs to be made into one of them. [[spoiler: And then he's killed because Sycorax and Mazikeen decide to toss the IdiotBall around, leaving him to die in Lucifer's arms. At least the poor thing seems to be content in the afterlife, where he no longer has the need to be ashamed of himself just for existing.]]

to:

* TheWoobie: Caliban in the new series. He has AbusivePArents AbusiveParents who [[ParentalNeglect neglect him]] on top of everything else they do, he starves for a great deal of his life, often living on the streets and being beaten for his deformities. When he ''finally'' reunites with his parents, they're far too concerned with their own plans (even if [[PetTheDog Lucifer's]] is well-meant) and egos to really notice him - and when his angelic family comes to see him, he's so distraught by the contrast between their beauty and his ugliness that he begs to be made into one of them. [[spoiler: And then he's killed because Sycorax and Mazikeen decide to toss the IdiotBall around, leaving him to die in Lucifer's arms. At least the poor thing seems to be content in the afterlife, where he no longer has the need to be ashamed of himself just for existing.]]


* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: In the 2015 series. A mad God who's turned OmnicidalManiac and has brainwashed an army of angels and demons? ''Awesome''. A mad God who's turned OmnicidalManiac turning out to [[spoiler:have a WeaksauceWeakness and killed off without much effort?]] Not so much.

to:

* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: In the 2015 series. A mad God who's turned OmnicidalManiac and has brainwashed an army of angels and demons? ''Awesome''. A mad God who's turned OmnicidalManiac turning out to [[spoiler:have a WeaksauceWeakness and killed off without much effort?]] Not so much.much.
* TheWoobie: Caliban in the new series. He has AbusivePArents who [[ParentalNeglect neglect him]] on top of everything else they do, he starves for a great deal of his life, often living on the streets and being beaten for his deformities. When he ''finally'' reunites with his parents, they're far too concerned with their own plans (even if [[PetTheDog Lucifer's]] is well-meant) and egos to really notice him - and when his angelic family comes to see him, he's so distraught by the contrast between their beauty and his ugliness that he begs to be made into one of them. [[spoiler: And then he's killed because Sycorax and Mazikeen decide to toss the IdiotBall around, leaving him to die in Lucifer's arms. At least the poor thing seems to be content in the afterlife, where he no longer has the need to be ashamed of himself just for existing.]]


* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: In the 2015 series. A mad God who's turned OmnicidalManiac and has brainwashed an army of angels and demons? ''Awesome''. A mad God who's turned OmnicidalManiac turning out to [[spoiler:have a WeaksauceWeakness and killed off without much effort?]] Not so much.
* TooDumbToLive: Sherri and, to a (slightly) lesser extent, Ewan from Volume 2, both of whom are not only stupid enough to climb the large, mysterious building, but also ''break into'' it (with Sherri fully believing she's "invited" due to simply having a sixth sense). The building, of course, turns out to belong to Lucifer, and it works out for them about as well as one might expect.
-->'''Lucifer''': You came into my house without knocking. And then you prayed to ''him''.

to:

* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: In the 2015 series. A mad God who's turned OmnicidalManiac and has brainwashed an army of angels and demons? ''Awesome''. A mad God who's turned OmnicidalManiac turning out to [[spoiler:have a WeaksauceWeakness and killed off without much effort?]] Not so much.
* TooDumbToLive: Sherri and, to a (slightly) lesser extent, Ewan from Volume 2, both of whom are not only stupid enough to climb the large, mysterious building, but also ''break into'' it (with Sherri fully believing she's "invited" due to simply having a sixth sense). The building, of course, turns out to belong to Lucifer, and it works out for them about as well as one might expect.
-->'''Lucifer''': You came into my house without knocking. And then you prayed to ''him''.
much.

Added DiffLines:

* CompleteMonster: [[OmnicidalManiac Fenris]] is the Nordic BeastOfTheApocalypse and the self-proclaimed ruler of "everything that ravels, rapes, and rends". Following [[HaveYouSeenMyGod God's abdication of His throne]], leading to the slow unraveling of the universe, Fenris decided to take a personal interest in speeding up the process. Murdering several other Norse gods whom he'd previous claimed he'd made peace with, Fenris takes control of a mentally ill man and tries to force him to murder his wife and son among the roots of Yggdrasil, which would render the destruction of the universe inevitable. When this plan fails, Fenris murders his accomplice, the African trickster god Abonsam, and uses his blood to take control of Lucifer and kill his brother Michael, watering the tree with his blood. In the final arc, Fenris joins [[LegionOfDoom Lilith's alliance of past villains]], eviscerates the ArchangelUriel, kills the noble human Hell-Lord Christopher Rudd, and destroys God's throne, which would have immediately destroyed the entire cosmos had God's granddaughter, Elaine Belloc, not agreed to succeed him.

Added DiffLines:

* TheScrappy: Arabelle Crane from the 2015 series is disliked for being a [[FlatCharacter poorly done]] GenderFlip of John Constantine, without the charm or good intentions.


* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: In the 2015 series. [[spoiler:A mad God who's turned OmnicidalManiac and has brainwashed an army of angels and demons?]] ''Awesome''. [[spoiler:A mad God who's turned OmnicidalManiac turning out to have a WeaksauceWeakness and killed off without much effort?]] Not so much.

to:

* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: In the 2015 series. [[spoiler:A A mad God who's turned OmnicidalManiac and has brainwashed an army of angels and demons?]] demons? ''Awesome''. [[spoiler:A A mad God who's turned OmnicidalManiac turning out to have [[spoiler:have a WeaksauceWeakness and killed off without much effort?]] Not so much.


* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: The new comic series undoes a ''lot'' from the old one, [[spoiler:including turning the BittersweetEnding into a StatusQuoIsGod sort of middle.]] This has drawn quite a few complaints.

to:

* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: The new 2015 comic series undoes a ''lot'' from the old one, [[spoiler:including turning the BittersweetEnding into a StatusQuoIsGod sort of middle.]] This has drawn quite a few complaints.



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: In the new series. [[spoiler:A mad God who's turned OmnicidalManiac and has brainwashed an army of angels and demons?]] ''Awesome''. [[spoiler:A mad God who's turned OmnicidalManiac turning out to have a WeaksauceWeakness and killed off without much effort?]] Not so much.

to:

* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: In the new 2015 series. [[spoiler:A mad God who's turned OmnicidalManiac and has brainwashed an army of angels and demons?]] ''Awesome''. [[spoiler:A mad God who's turned OmnicidalManiac turning out to have a WeaksauceWeakness and killed off without much effort?]] Not so much.


* MagnificentBastard: Lucifer himself, fittingly enough. [[spoiler: and God.]] Almost everything ends up being part of a careful plot by one or the other and when it's not, they spin up a plan B that usually ends up working better.

to:

* MagnificentBastard: Lucifer himself, fittingly enough. [[spoiler: Morningstar is the endlessly proud, brilliant and God.]] Almost everything ends up being part of a careful plot by one or dangerous Devil. Seeking his freedom from creation, Lucifer deals with endless threats to his new Creation and his safety, constantly outplaying and destroying them. Even in places where he is powerless, such as the other Japanese underworld Yomi, Lucifer sees through every trap against him and defeats his supposed hosts. When struck down by another trap, Lucifer returns to life by manipulating his niece Elaine Belloc into sacrificing her life for him and promptly outsmarts and destroys the angel Amenadiel who seeks to destroy him when it's not, they spin up a plan B that usually ends up working better.he is still recovering before returning Elaine to life to repay his debt. Pursuing his freedom from all Creation, Lucifer constantly demonstrates why he is the king of manipulation, second only to God himself.


* ScrappyMechanic: If you're the sort of person who tries to decipher it, Mazikeen's slurred semi-legible speech quickly becomes very irritating.

to:

* ScrappyMechanic: If you're the sort of person who tries to decipher it, Mazikeen's slurred semi-legible speech quickly becomes very irritating. Which is probably why Creator/MikeCarey had Jill Presto "repair" Mazikeen's face at the first opportunity; he wouldn't have had much attachment to the whole gimmick, since it was Creator/NeilGaiman's invention.


* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: In the new series. [[spoiler:A mad God who's turned OmnicidalManiac and has brainwashed an army of angels and demons?]] ''Awesome''. [[spoiler:A mad God who's turned OmnicidalManiac turning out to have a WeaksauceWeeakness and killed off without much effort?]] Not so much.

to:

* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: In the new series. [[spoiler:A mad God who's turned OmnicidalManiac and has brainwashed an army of angels and demons?]] ''Awesome''. [[spoiler:A mad God who's turned OmnicidalManiac turning out to have a WeaksauceWeeakness WeaksauceWeakness and killed off without much effort?]] Not so much.


* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Takehiko, who exists solely to kill [[spoiler:his father, Lucifer,]] ultimately doesn't get much to do apart from fall for Rosemary and [[spoiler:fail to do anything to Lucifer at every turn.]]
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: In the new series. [[spoiler:A mad God who's turned OmnicidalManiac and has brainwashed an army of angels and demons?]] ''Awesome''. [[spoiler:A mad God who's turned OmnicidalManiac turning out to have a WeaksauceWeeakness and killed off without much effort?]] Not so much.



-->'''Lucifer''': You came into my house without knocking. And then you prayed to '''him'''.

to:

-->'''Lucifer''': You came into my house without knocking. And then you prayed to '''him'''.''him''.


* JerkassWoobie: Lucifer is a ''bastard''... but he spends his entire existence striving for things he can ultimately never have, and his father is even worse.

to:

* JerkassWoobie: Lucifer is a ''bastard''... but he spends his entire existence striving for things he can ultimately never have, and his father is an even worse.worse person than he is.

Showing 15 edit(s) of 47

Top

How well does it match the trope?

Example of:

/

Media sources:

/

Report