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** Elvira is also pretty surprising due to not being traditionally associated with family entertainment (well, outside of Knotts' Berry Farm anyway) and being pretty obscure to most under the age of thirty. However, this marked her second inclusion in this Scooby series.

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** Elvira is also pretty surprising due to not being traditionally associated with family entertainment (well, outside of Knotts' Berry Farm anyway) and being pretty obscure to most under the age of thirty.people born after TheEighties. However, this marked her second inclusion in this Scooby series.
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** The revelation about an earlier script has lead to some criticism about the film's lack of covering some elements from the previous two movies. The Mystery Machine's random comeback only to be taken out early seemed weird. The promotion of Bill Nye and Scarecrow into important roles also doesn't suit well given that the movie may have instead have given other Scooby characters a chance to return.

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** The revelation about an earlier script has lead to some criticism about the film's lack of covering some elements from the previous two movies. The Mystery Machine's random comeback only to be taken out early seemed weird. The promotion of Bill Nye and Scarecrow into important roles also doesn't suit well given that the movie may have instead have given other Scooby characters a chance to return. The reveal of [[spoiler:The Sheriff as the bad guy but to be someone we had never heard of before also seems like a very weak choice given hundreds of MythologyGag options there could have been]].

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** The film isn't a continuation of a prior story or incarnation like ''Curse of the 13th Ghost'' and ''Return to Zombie Island'', likely due to how [[ContestedSequel controversial]] both films were with handling elements of the prior material. [[spoiler:The film does, however, resolve a plot thread from both of those films, that being the Sheriff turning out to be EvilAllAlong.]]

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** The film isn't a continuation of a prior story or incarnation like ''Curse of the 13th Ghost'' and ''Return to Zombie Island'', likely due to how [[ContestedSequel controversial]] both films were with handling elements of the prior material. [[spoiler:The film does, however, resolve a plot thread from both of those films, that being the Sheriff turning out to be EvilAllAlong.]]]] According to Maxwell Atoms in the WhatCouldHaveBeen entry this decision was made before he came on board.



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The premise of Scarecrow leading an army of monster pumpkins to wreak havoc is an entertaining idea, but Scarecrow is a RedHerring. The movie being your standard lighter-toned ''Scooby'' fare means that we don’t get what could’ve been a genuinely creepy, scary film.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
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The premise of Scarecrow leading an army of monster pumpkins to wreak havoc is an entertaining idea, but Scarecrow is a RedHerring. The movie being your standard lighter-toned ''Scooby'' fare means that we don’t get what could’ve been a genuinely creepy, scary film.film.
** The revelation about an earlier script has lead to some criticism about the film's lack of covering some elements from the previous two movies. The Mystery Machine's random comeback only to be taken out early seemed weird. The promotion of Bill Nye and Scarecrow into important roles also doesn't suit well given that the movie may have instead have given other Scooby characters a chance to return.
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* WereStillRelevantDammit: The movie really gluts itself on late 2010s/2020 slang, catchphrases, and elements. When Velma is explaining the mystery at the beginning, Daphne keeps spouting phrases like “basic” and “womp womp”; air drop and mic drop are used during Bill Nye’s introduction; and Scarecrow even calls the gang the “avocado toast generation.” It comes off as trying too hard to sound hip without a lick of self-awareness.

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* WereStillRelevantDammit: The movie really gluts itself on late 2010s/2020 slang, catchphrases, and elements. When Velma is explaining the mystery at the beginning, Daphne keeps spouting phrases like “basic” and “womp womp”; air drop and mic drop are used during Bill Nye’s introduction; and Scarecrow even calls the gang the “avocado toast generation.” It comes off as trying too hard to sound hip without a lick of self-awareness.
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Correction they pulled a "Look I can see their parachutes! They're okay"


* InferredHolocaust: The town of Crystal Cove is presumably destroyed by collapsing into a cataclysm, possibly killing god knows how many people, but this is never commented on.

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* InferredHolocaust: The town of Crystal Cove is presumably destroyed by collapsing into a cataclysm, possibly killing god knows how many people, but this is never commented on.on...aside from Bill Nye's odd claim that they shouldn't have collapsed due to a lack of fault line despite what the audience witnesses.
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None of these are played for drama, so they aren't Narm.


* {{Narm}}:
** The rampant use of slang, as noted below in WereStillRelevantDammit, comes off as the movie trying way too hard to sound hip.
** The main piece of music is, like in ''Return to Zombie Island'', a cheesy happy love song that sounds really out of place.
** A lot of scenes lack a musical score, making things way too stagnant and quiet.
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Fixed some grammar issues


** Seems the writers of ''Return to Zombie Island'' realized the wasted potential in not fully using Elvira. So this movie seeks to rectify that.
** For those taking issue with Velma's behavior in the previous two movies, she gets called out here, and also comes to realize how close minded and stubborn she became.

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** Seems the writers of ''Return to Zombie Island'' realized the wasted potential in not fully using Elvira. So Elvira, so this movie seeks to rectify that.
** For those taking issue with Velma's behavior in the previous two movies, she gets called out here, here and also comes to realize how close minded close-minded and stubborn she became.



* InferredHolocaust: The town of Crystal Cove is presumably destroyed by collapsing into a cataclysm, possibly killing god knows how many people. But this is never commented on.

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* InferredHolocaust: The town of Crystal Cove is presumably destroyed by collapsing into a cataclysm, possibly killing god knows how many people. But people, but this is never commented on.



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The premise of Scarecrow leading an army of monster pumpkins to wreak havoc is an entertaining idea, but Scarecrow is a RedHerring. The movie being your standard lighter toned ''Scooby'' fare means that we don’t get what could’ve been a really creepy, scary film.
* TrailersAlwaysLie: The trailer makes it seem that Jonathan Crane, aka The Scarecrow, is the BigBad. Instead, he's being framed by another party, who's been plotting against Mystery Inc. since ''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooAndTheCurseOfThe13thGhost''.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The premise of Scarecrow leading an army of monster pumpkins to wreak havoc is an entertaining idea, but Scarecrow is a RedHerring. The movie being your standard lighter toned lighter-toned ''Scooby'' fare means that we don’t get what could’ve been a really genuinely creepy, scary film.
* TrailersAlwaysLie: The trailer makes it seem that like Jonathan Crane, aka The the Scarecrow, is the BigBad. Instead, he's being framed by another party, who's been plotting against Mystery Inc. since ''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooAndTheCurseOfThe13thGhost''.



** Elvira is also pretty surprising due to not be traditionally associated with family entertainment (well outside of Knotts' Berry Farm anyway) and being pretty obscure to most under the age of thirty. Though this marked her second inclusion in this Scooby Series.
** To a lesser extent Bill Nye also had put in appearance on ''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooAndGuessWho'' but him appearing also in a DirectToVideo movie was also surprising.
** The return of the Sheriff is a near aversion only because after he returned in the previous movie some were expecting he wasn't done.
* WereStillRelevantDammit: The movie really gluts itself on late ‘10s/2020 slang and catchphrases and elements. When Velma is explaining the mystery at the beginning, Daphne keeps spouting phrases like “basic” and “womp womp”; air drop and mic drop are used during Bill Nye’s introduction; and Scarecrow even calls the gang the “avocado toast generation”. It comes off as trying too hard to sound hip without a lick of self-awareness.

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** Elvira is also pretty surprising due to not be being traditionally associated with family entertainment (well (well, outside of Knotts' Berry Farm anyway) and being pretty obscure to most under the age of thirty. Though However, this marked her second inclusion in this Scooby Series.
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** To a lesser extent extent, Bill Nye also had put in an appearance on ''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooAndGuessWho'' ''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooAndGuessWho'', but him also appearing also in a DirectToVideo movie was also surprising.
** The return of the Sheriff is a near aversion aversion, only because after he returned in the previous movie some were expecting he wasn't done.
* WereStillRelevantDammit: The movie really gluts itself on late ‘10s/2020 slang and catchphrases 2010s/2020 slang, catchphrases, and elements. When Velma is explaining the mystery at the beginning, Daphne keeps spouting phrases like “basic” and “womp womp”; air drop and mic drop are used during Bill Nye’s introduction; and Scarecrow even calls the gang the “avocado toast generation”. generation.” It comes off as trying too hard to sound hip without a lick of self-awareness.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The premise of Scarecrow leading an army of monster pumpkins to wreak havoc is an entertaining idea, but Scarecrow is a RedHerring. The movie being your standard lighter toned ''Scooby'' fare means that we don’t get what could’ve been a really creepy, scary film.

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** The rampant use of slang, as noted below in WereStillRelevantDamnIt, comes off as the movie trying way too hard to sound hip.
** The main piece of music is, like in Return to Zombie Island, a cheesy happy love song that sounds really out of place.

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** The rampant use of slang, as noted below in WereStillRelevantDamnIt, WereStillRelevantDammit, comes off as the movie trying way too hard to sound hip.
** The main piece of music is, like in Return ''Return to Zombie Island, Island'', a cheesy happy love song that sounds really out of place.place.
** A lot of scenes lack a musical score, making things way too stagnant and quiet.



* WereStillRelevantDamnIt: The movie really gluts itself on late ‘10s/2020 slang and catchphrases and elements. When Velma is explaining the mystery at the beginning, Daphne keeps spouting phrases like “basic” and “womp womp”; air drop and mic drop are used during Bill Nye’s introduction; and Scarecrow even calls the gang the “avocado toast generation”. It comes off as trying too hard to sound hip without a lick of self-awareness.

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* WereStillRelevantDamnIt: WereStillRelevantDammit: The movie really gluts itself on late ‘10s/2020 slang and catchphrases and elements. When Velma is explaining the mystery at the beginning, Daphne keeps spouting phrases like “basic” and “womp womp”; air drop and mic drop are used during Bill Nye’s introduction; and Scarecrow even calls the gang the “avocado toast generation”. It comes off as trying too hard to sound hip without a lick of self-awareness.
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* {{Narm}}:
** The rampant use of slang, as noted below in WereStillRelevantDamnIt, comes off as the movie trying way too hard to sound hip.
** The main piece of music is, like in Return to Zombie Island, a cheesy happy love song that sounds really out of place.


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* WereStillRelevantDamnIt: The movie really gluts itself on late ‘10s/2020 slang and catchphrases and elements. When Velma is explaining the mystery at the beginning, Daphne keeps spouting phrases like “basic” and “womp womp”; air drop and mic drop are used during Bill Nye’s introduction; and Scarecrow even calls the gang the “avocado toast generation”. It comes off as trying too hard to sound hip without a lick of self-awareness.
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** The film isn't a continuation of a prior story or incarnation like ''Curse of the 13th Ghost'' and ''Return to Zombie Island'', likely due to how [[ContestedSequel controversial]] both films were with handling the supernatural elements of the prior material. [[spoiler:The film does, however, resolve a plot thread from both of those films, that being the Sheriff turning out to be EvilAllAlong.]]

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** The film isn't a continuation of a prior story or incarnation like ''Curse of the 13th Ghost'' and ''Return to Zombie Island'', likely due to how [[ContestedSequel controversial]] both films were with handling the supernatural elements of the prior material. [[spoiler:The film does, however, resolve a plot thread from both of those films, that being the Sheriff turning out to be EvilAllAlong.]]

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** Seems the writers of ''Returns to Zombie Island'' realized the wasted potential in not fully using Elvira. So this movie seeks to rectify that.

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** Seems the writers of ''Returns ''Return to Zombie Island'' realized the wasted potential in not fully using Elvira. So this movie seeks to rectify that.


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** The film isn't a continuation of a prior story or incarnation like ''Curse of the 13th Ghost'' and ''Return to Zombie Island'', likely due to how [[ContestedSequel controversial]] both films were with handling the supernatural elements of the prior material. [[spoiler:The film does, however, resolve a plot thread from both of those films, that being the Sheriff turning out to be EvilAllAlong.]]
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* AdvertisedExtra: [[spoiler: Scarecrow doesn't actually have as much screen-time as advertised as part of a misdirect. Unfortunately, when he first showed up at the beginning, he doesn't show up again until Velma interrogates him.]]
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* CargoShip: Once again, Fred and the Mystery Machine. He even refers to it as "my love".

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: Seems the writers of ''Returns to Zombie Island'' realized the wasted potential in not fully using Elvira. So this movie seeks to rectify that.

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Seems the writers of ''Returns to Zombie Island'' realized the wasted potential in not fully using Elvira. So this movie seeks to rectify that.that.
** For those taking issue with Velma's behavior in the previous two movies, she gets called out here, and also comes to realize how close minded and stubborn she became.
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* InferredHolocaust: The town of Crystal Cove is presumably destroyed by collapsing into a cataclysm, possibly killing god knows how many people. But this is never commented on.
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Rephrased my words


* AdvertisedExtra: [[spoiler: Scarecrow doesn't actually have as much screen-time as advertised as part of a misdirect. Unfortunately, that means that his only important scenes are at the beginning and doesn't show up again until Velma shows up to interrogate him.]]

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* AdvertisedExtra: [[spoiler: Scarecrow doesn't actually have as much screen-time as advertised as part of a misdirect. Unfortunately, that means that his only important scenes are when he first showed up at the beginning and beginning, he doesn't show up again until Velma shows up to interrogate interrogates him.]]
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* AuthorSavingThrow: Seems the writers of ''Returns to Zombie Island'' realizes the wasted potential in not fully using Elvira. So this movie seeks to rectify that.

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* AuthorSavingThrow: AuthorsSavingThrow: Seems the writers of ''Returns to Zombie Island'' realizes realized the wasted potential in not fully using Elvira. So this movie seeks to rectify that.
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* AuthorSavingThrow: Seems the writers of ''Returns to Zombie Island'' realizes the wasted potential in not fully using Elvira. So this movie seeks to rectify that.
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* AdvertisedExtra: [[spoiler: Scarecrow doesn't actually have as much screen-time as advertised as part of a misdirect. Unfortunately, that means that his only important scenes are at the beginning and doesn't show up again until Velma shows up to interrogate him.]]
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** To a lesser extent Bill Nye also had put in appearance on ''ScoobyDooAndGuessWho'' but him appearing also in a DirectToVideo movie was also surprising.

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** To a lesser extent Bill Nye also had put in appearance on ''ScoobyDooAndGuessWho'' ''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooAndGuessWho'' but him appearing also in a DirectToVideo movie was also surprising.
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YMMV can't be played with, and Broken Base requires a six-month waiting period.


* AudienceAlienatingPremise: Averted. You'd think Mystery Incorporated taking on a member of Batman's Rogues Gallery without an appearance of the Dark Knight would be this, but it's done surprisingly well, especially where he used more in a supporting role there was no Creator/HannaBarbera equivalent too.
* BrokenBase: Maxwell Atoms clearly knows his Scooby Doo history as the film is loaded with MythologyGag and odes to various different eras. As a result if you disliked the era it came from you'll dislike it's presense here. TO name a few if you disliked''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooMysteryIncorporated'' you aren't going to like them using Crystal Cove over Coolsville. If you didn't like ''WesternAnimation/BeCoolScoobyDoo'' you aren't going to like this version of Daphne. If you didn't like ''WesternAnimation/TheNewScoobyDooMovies'' you aren't going to like the The Three Stooges and Phyllis Diller references, etc.

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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: Averted. You'd think Mystery Incorporated taking on a member of Batman's Rogues Gallery without an appearance of the Dark Knight would be this, but it's done surprisingly well, and since Scarecrow has much in common with a usual Scooby villain, it works well.

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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: Averted. You'd think Mystery Incorporated taking on a member of Batman's Rogues Gallery without an appearance of the Dark Knight would be this, but it's done surprisingly well, and since Scarecrow has much especially where he used more in common with a usual supporting role there was no Creator/HannaBarbera equivalent too.
* BrokenBase: Maxwell Atoms clearly knows his
Scooby villain, Doo history as the film is loaded with MythologyGag and odes to various different eras. As a result if you disliked the era it works well.came from you'll dislike it's presense here. TO name a few if you disliked''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooMysteryIncorporated'' you aren't going to like them using Crystal Cove over Coolsville. If you didn't like ''WesternAnimation/BeCoolScoobyDoo'' you aren't going to like this version of Daphne. If you didn't like ''WesternAnimation/TheNewScoobyDooMovies'' you aren't going to like the The Three Stooges and Phyllis Diller references, etc.



* UnexpectedCharacter: The BigBad this time? [[Franchise/{{Batman}} Jonathan Crane aka]] ''ComicBook/TheScarecrow''.
** Elvira is also pretty surprising due to not be traditionally associated with family entertainment (well outside of Knotts' Berry Farm anyway) and being pretty obscure to most under the age of thirty.

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* UnexpectedCharacter: The BigBad this time? UnexpectedCharacter:
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[[Franchise/{{Batman}} Jonathan Crane aka]] ''ComicBook/TheScarecrow''.
''ComicBook/TheScarecrow'' is featured in what at first is an antagonist role but turns into a support role.
** Elvira is also pretty surprising due to not be traditionally associated with family entertainment (well outside of Knotts' Berry Farm anyway) and being pretty obscure to most under the age of thirty. Though this marked her second inclusion in this Scooby Series.
** To a lesser extent Bill Nye also had put in appearance on ''ScoobyDooAndGuessWho'' but him appearing also in a DirectToVideo movie was also surprising.
** The return of the Sheriff is a near aversion only because after he returned in the previous movie some were expecting he wasn't done.
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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: Averted. You'd think Mystery Incorporated taking on a member of Batman's Rogues Gallery without an appearance of the Dark Knight would be this, but it's done surprisingly well, and since Scarecrow has much in common with a usual Scooby villain, it works well.
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* TrailersAlwaysLie: The trailer makes it seem that Jonathan Crane, aka The Scarecrow, is the BigBad. Instead, he's being framed by another party, who's been plotting against Mystery Inc. since ''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooAndTheCurseOfThe13thGhost''.
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* LesYay: Daphne is '' '''really''' '' into Elvira.
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** Elvira is also pretty surprising due to not be traditionally associated with family entertainment (well outside of Knox Berry Farm anyway) and being pretty obscure to most under the age of thirty.

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** Elvira is also pretty surprising due to not be traditionally associated with family entertainment (well outside of Knox Knotts' Berry Farm anyway) and being pretty obscure to most under the age of thirty.
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** Elvira is also pretty surprising due to not be traditionally associated with family entertainment (well outside of Knox Berry Farm anyway) and being pretty obscure to most under the age of thirty.
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* UnexpectedCharacter: The BigBad this time? Jonathan Crane aka ''[[Franchise/{{Batman}} The Scarecrow]]''.

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* UnexpectedCharacter: The BigBad this time? [[Franchise/{{Batman}} Jonathan Crane aka ''[[Franchise/{{Batman}} The Scarecrow]]''.aka]] ''ComicBook/TheScarecrow''.

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* UnexpectedCharacter: The BigBad this time? Jonathan Crane aka ''The Scarecrow''

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* UnexpectedCharacter: The BigBad this time? Jonathan Crane aka ''The Scarecrow''''[[Franchise/{{Batman}} The Scarecrow]]''.
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