History YMMV / BeyondTwoSouls

* FandomRivalry: With ''VideoGame/TheLastOfUs'', which is also a [=PS3=] exclusive. Aside from that, the games have little in common, outside of Ellie (One of the main characters in ''The Last Of Us'') looked like Creator/EllenPage in early development. The rivalry began in earnest when Ellen herself brought the issue up, which was a genuine case of shit-stirring on the interviewer's behalf because Page was quizzed as to her thoughts on that one and apparently didn't have it explained to her that the character model had long been changed for Ellie. There's still some people who think Ellie still looks like Page, but the resemblance isn't as blatant as it once was.

* EightPointEight:
** At the time of release, critical reviews from the New York Times, [=EuroGamer=], and Edge got flack from the playerbase. Many fans appear to dismiss those reviews as simply hating David Cage, even though said reviews specifically criticized the game's writing and direction. Sony Access appears to be [[http://ohnovideogames.com/the-sony-strawman responding to the reviews]] with [[TheWarOnStraw Strawman]] arguments.
** Averted with [[WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation Yahtzee's]] extremely negative review of the game. It hasn't gotten much hatred, even when he named it the second worst game of 2013, ahead of even ''VideoGame/AliensColonialMarines''.

* CatharsisFactor: You don't ''have'' to torture the {{Jerkass}} teens at the party, but [[LaserGuidedKarma giving them a taste of their own medicine]] by essentially acting like a monster from a horror film is quite satisfying.

* VindicatedByHistory: Inverted. Like David Cage's other games, the game is generally seen as having aged very poorly, and this marked the beginning of a gradual turn in Cage's popularity as stories of the game's troubling development and Cage's disgusting behavior to Ellen Page came out. Compared to the rest of Cage's works, this is now usually considered his worst game.

** And what sparked them to turn against her? Simply because Birthday Girl didn't like Jodie's gift of an Edgar Allen Poe book. A simple off-handed "thank you" could've sufficed, but no. Let's make fun of a sheltered girl whom she ''at least heard'' has powers, and may have even demonstrated them, over ''a birthday present''. Jodie even mentioned that the book ''was rare'' so even if she didn't like the gift, she could've just sold the thing to a collector and probably gotten some good money for it.

** The ''entire game'' is essentially a series of WhatAnIdiot moments, since every chapter involves some poor fool [[BullyingADragon giving a girl with dangerous psychic powers]] a reason to want them dead. The only variation is whether or not the poor fool is aware of Jodie's powers, and only a few haven't at least heard about them.

** Norah Gray, [[spoiler:Jodie and Aiden's mother. She was a psychic who was put through experiments similar to Jodie, except she didn't have anyone as kind as Nathan or Cole to look out for her, she was made to get pregnant by another psychic, and to top it all off, her son was stillborn and her daughter was taken away from her. She's then put into a permanent coma by the CIA, and spends the next twenty odd years being tormented by dark spirits she can't get away from.]]
** Susan Holmes, [[spoiler: Jodie's foster mother]]. Unlike her {{Jerkass}} husband, she carely deeply for Jodie and does her best to look after her in spite of Aiden causing trouble for the family due to his overprotective nature. An optional scene from a photograph in her shoebox reveals a memory that [[spoiler: her biological child had passed away shortly after birth, before she had adopted Jodie]]. Later on, Susan is forced to give Jodie up to the DPA under the care of Nathan and Cole, [[spoiler: losing yet another child in the process.]]

** While playing as Aiden, you can deliberately sabotage Ryan's date with Jodie. She ''will'' make you feel guilty for this, though.

** Critical reviews from the New York Times, [=EuroGamer=], and Edge. Many fans appear to dismiss those reviews as simply hating David Cage, even though said reviews specifically criticized the game's writing and direction. Sony Access appears to be [[http://ohnovideogames.com/the-sony-strawman responding to the reviews]] with [[TheWarOnStraw Strawman]] arguments.

** Nathan sends Jodie to a girl's birthday party, said party is full of [[TeensAreMonsters spoiled and egotistical kids who treats Jodie like dirt regardless of how hard she tries to fit in with them]]. The kids themselves count as they apparently never heard of [[Creator/StephenKing Carrie]] before, as they thought [[BullyingTheDragon bullying a girl with a violently over-protective guardian angel]] was a brilliant idea. No wonder many people chose to take revenge on them.

* EightPointEight:
** IGN's 6 out of 10. Made even worse by the fact that, like the fanbase of ''The Last of Us'', this happened when the game was yet to be out.
** Same can be said for other critical reviews from the New York Times, [=EuroGamer=], and Edge. Many fans appear to dismiss those reviews as simply hating David Cage, even though said reviews specifically criticized the game's writing and direction. Sony Access appears to be [[http://ohnovideogames.com/the-sony-strawman responding to the reviews]] with [[TheWarOnStraw Strawman]] arguments.
*** Weirdly enough [[WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation Yahtzee's]] extremely negative of the game hasn't gotten much hatred, even when he named it the second worst game of 2013, ahead of even ''VideoGame/AliensColonialMarines''.

* AwesomeMusic: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN-V8FZQXwQ Jodie's Suite]], Jodie's OneWomanWail {{Leitmotif}}, is a beautiful, haunting piece.

** Jodie, Jodie, ''Jodie''.
*** IronWoobie: She doesn't let it stop her from being badass, though.

* HeReallyCanAct: Ellen Page's performance has been getting this from lots of critics, even ones who don't like the game.

* CompleteMonster: [[InsaneAdmiral CIA General McGrath oversees the Infraworld condenser experiments in the hopes of consolidating American power. After a pregnant psychic woman he had institutionalized gives birth, [=McGrath=] has her put into a permanent medically-induced coma to avoid her being a liability. Later, [=McGrath=] has the president of Somalia assassinated, tricking the psychic woman's daughter, [[PlayerCharacter Jodie Holmes]], into believing the democratically-elected president was a dictator, uncaring as the country falls to war. Revealing his master plan to be the weaponizing of the demonic entities within the Infraworld, [=McGrath=] seeks total military supremacy. Going back on his word to free Jodie after she completes his tasks, [=McGrath=] gloats he will place her in a coma like her mother.

* CompleteMonster: [[GreaterScopeVillain General McGrath]] is the CIA [[InsaneAdmiral general]] overseeing the Department of Paranormal Activities, specifically their Infraworld condenser experiments, in hopes of enhancing the US government and military power. When the DPA studied a pregnant psychic woman named Norah Gray, [=McGrath=] had her institutionalized and put into a permanent medically induced coma after she gives birth since she's become a liability. Years later, when Norah's daughter [[PlayerCharacter Jodie Holmes]] is recruited into the CIA, [=McGrath=] is mentioned as being the one who ordered the assassination of the democratically-elected president of UsefulNotes/{{Somalia}}, having tricked Jodie into believing him to be a dictator; this assassination results in Somalia continuing to suffer from war. Jodie is captured, [=McGrath=] sends her on a mission to destroy another condenser in China. After the mission, [=McGrath=] announces his plan to have the military conquer the Infraworld and weaponize the demon-like entities within. While Jodie was promised to be set free with a clean slate after the mission, [=McGrath=] has Jodie captured, intending to place her in a coma as he did with her mother, gloating about it to her face. Despite this, he still begs and [[EntitledBastard expects Jodie and Ryan to save him]] when the entities wreck havoc, before they leave him to his fate.

* UnfortunateImplications: Nathan's suicide is treated as a positive action that re-unites him with his family in death and makes him happy again. Not only that, it also allows him to [[KarmaHoudini escape the consequences of all of the deaths he'd caused.]]

* CompleteMonster: [[GreaterScopeVillain General McGrath]]] is the CIA [[InsaneAdmiral general]] overseeing the Department of Paranormal Activities, specifically their Infraworld condenser experiments, in hopes of enhancing the US government and military power. When the DPA studied a pregnant psychic woman named Norah Gray, [=McGrath=] had her institutionalized and put into a permanent medically induced coma after she gives birth since she's become a liability. Years later, when Norah's daughter [[PlayerCharacter Jodie Holmes]] is recruited into the CIA, [=McGrath=] is mentioned as being the one who ordered the assassination of the democratically-elected president of UsefulNotes/{{Somalia}}, having tricked Jodie into believing him to be a dictator; this assassination results in Somalia continuing to suffer from war. Jodie is captured, [=McGrath=] sends her on a mission to destroy another condenser in China. After the mission, [=McGrath=] announces his plan to have the military conquer the Infraworld and weaponize the demon-like entities within. While Jodie was promised to be set free with a clean slate after the mission, [=McGrath=] has Jodie captured, intending to place her in a coma as he did with her mother, gloating about it to her face. Despite this, he still begs and [[EntitledBastard expects Jodie and Ryan to save him]] when the entities wreck havoc, before they leave him to his fate.

* CompleteMonster: [[GreaterScopeVillain General McGrath]], Ryan Clayton's superior, is the {{CIA}} director overseeing the Department of Paranormal Activities, specifically their Infraworld condenser experiments, in hopes of enhancing the US Government and military power. When the DPA studied a pregnant psychic woman named Norah Gray, [=McGrath=] had her institutionalized and put into a permanent medically induced coma after she gives birth since [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness she's become a liability]]. Years later, when Norah's daughter [[PlayerCharacter Jodie Holmes]] is recruited into the CIA, [=McGrath=] assigns her on a mission to assassinate a democratically-elected African president, having her believe him to be a dictator. Said president sought to bring peace to his war-torn country, which was made impossible due to the assassination. When the government captures Jodie, [=McGrath=] sends her on another mission to destroy another condenser in China, resulting in most of the team being killed and Ryan potentially being tortured and [[EyeScream losing his eye]]. After the mission, [=McGrath=] announces his plan to have the military conquer the Infraworld and weaponize the demon-like entities within. While Jodie was promised to be set free with a clean slate after the mission, [=McGrath=] [[ILied has Jodie captured]], intending to place her in a coma as he did with her mother, gloating about it to her face. Despite this, he [[VillainsWantMercy still begs and expects Jodie and Ryan to save him when the entities wreck havoc]], before they leave him to his fate.

** For those who are still feeling sore about [[spoiler: Ryan's manipulating Jodie into killing a democratically elected president by outing him as a warlord, during the torture scene you can choose not to talk when prompted and watch as their captives cut out Ryan's left eye for staying silent. Taking the Beyond Ending where Ryan lives also feels like this since, as ''WebVideo/TwoBestFriendsPlay'' put it, you could interpret it as Jodie hating Ryan so much she'd rather ''die'' than stay with him.]] It is also possible for [[spoiler:Nathan to shoot and kill Ryan during the finale.]]
* UnfortunateImplications: As pointed out by WebVideo/TwoBestFriendsPlay [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TND984HW1s&t=18m19s during their playthrough of the game,]] Nathan's suicide is treated as a positive action that re-unites him with his family in death and makes him happy again. Not only that, it also allows him to [[KarmaHoudini escape the consequences of all of the deaths he'd caused.]]

* TakeThatScrappy: For those who are still feeling sore about [[spoiler: Ryan's manipulating Jodie into killing a democratically elected president by outing him as a warlord, during the torture scene you can choose not to talk when prompted and watch as their captives cut out Ryan's left eye for staying silent. Taking the Beyond Ending where Ryan lives also feels like this since, as ''WebVideo/TwoBestFriendsPlay'' put it, you could interpret it as Jodie hating Ryan so much she'd rather ''die'' than stay with him.]] It is also possible for [[spoiler:Nathan to shoot and kill Ryan during the finale.]]

** For some, Ryan and Jodie when you get to see some of his more {{Jerkass}} moments during Jodie's memories. There were also those who immediately jumped ship when it was revealed [[spoiler:what Ryan tricked Jodie into doing, only feeling remorse later.]]

* TheScrappy: Ryan, for some players, thanks to some {{Jerkass}} and WhatAnIdiot moments.

* CompleteMonster: {{General|Ripper}} [[GreaterScopeVillain McGrath]], Ryan Clayton's superior, is the {{CIA}} director overseeing the Department of Paranormal Activities, specifically their Infraworld condenser experiments, in hopes of enhancing the US Government and military power. When the DPA studied a pregnant psychic woman named Norah Gray, [=McGrath=] had her institutionalized and put into a permanent medically induced coma after she gives birth since [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness she's become a liability]]. Years later, when Norah's daughter [[PlayerCharacter Jodie Holmes]] is recruited into the CIA, [=McGrath=] assigns her on a mission to assassinate a democratically-elected African president, having her believe him to be a dictator. Said president sought to bring peace to his war-torn country, which was made impossible due to the assassination. When the government captures Jodie, [=McGrath=] sends her on another mission to destroy another condenser in China, resulting in most of the team being killed and Ryan potentially being tortured and [[EyeScream losing his eye]]. After the mission, [=McGrath=] announces his plan to have the military conquer the Infraworld and weaponize the demon-like entities within. While Jodie was promised to be set free with a clean slate after the mission, [=McGrath=] [[ILied has Jodie captured]], intending to place her in a coma as he did with her mother, gloating about it to her face. Despite this, he [[VillainsWantMercy still begs and expects Jodie and Ryan to save him when the entities wreck havoc]], before they leave him to his fate.

* LoveItOrHateIt: The game has earned a wildly divisive reaction from critics, earning highmarks from [=Rev3Games=] and Gamespot (A 5/5 and a 9/10, respectively) and lows from Destructoid and Joystiq (5/10).

** For some, Ryan and Jodie when you get to see some of his more {{Jerkass}} moments during Jodie's memories.
*** There were also those who immediately jumped ship when it was revealed [[spoiler:what Ryan tricked Jodie into doing, only feeling remorse later.]]
* {{Anvilicious}}: The developers didn't leave many doubts as for their opinions regarding US intervention in international politics.
** Notably, the government is also the only purely evil group in the game. Everyone else falls into GreyAndGrayMorality (even the entities run on BlueAndOrangeMorality), but the ending is entirely caused by their greed and idiocy.

* EnsembleDarkHorse: Cole, the friendliest character in the game and Jodie's best friend.

* {{Narm}}: [[spoiler:"SHIMASANI!!!"]]

** StrangledByTheRedString: No matter what you do, Jodie will end up at least trying a relationship with him, and even if you reject him during the finale, the two will kiss, with Ryan saying he will wait for her.
** TakeThatScrappy: For those who are still feeling sore about [[spoiler: Ryan's manipulating Jodie into killing a democratically elected president by outing him as a warlord, during the torture scene you can choose not to talk when prompted and watch as their captives cut out Ryan's left eye for staying silent. Taking the Beyond Ending where Ryan lives also feels like this since, as ''WebVideo/TwoBestFriendsPlay'' put it, you could interpret it as Jodie hating Ryan so much she'd rather ''die'' than stay with him.]]
*** It is also possible for [[spoiler:Nathan to shoot and kill Ryan during the finale.]]

* WhatAnIdiot: Nathan sends Jodie to a girl's birthday party, said party is full of [[TeensAreMonsters spoiled and egotistical kids who treats Jodie like dirt regardless of how hard she tries to fit in with them]]. The kids themselves count as they apparently never heard of [[Creator/StephenKing Carrie]] before, as they thought [[BullyingTheDragon bullying a girl with a violently over-protective guardian angel]] was a brilliant idea. No wonder many people chose to take revenge on them.

* AuthorsSavingThrow: Madison, the lone female protagonist in Quantic Dream's previous game ''VideoGame/HeavyRain'', was frequently criticized for being used as {{Fanservice}} in ways that were seen as tasteless. Her scenes often involved her being assaulted by sexually violent aggressors as well as [[spoiler:having sex with another character just hours after said assaults]], with her prior abuses [[AngstWhatAngst virtually ignored]]. Here, Jodie isn't used for {{Fanservice}} nearly as much, and if [[spoiler:she was attacked in ''Like Other Girls'' by the bar patrons, she freezes up and reacts negatively when Ryan attempts to have sex with her in a later chapter due to her trauma]]. Overall, Jodie was seen as a significantly better written female protagonist than Madison.

* CompleteMonster: {{General|Ripper}} [[GreaterScopeVillain McGrath]], Ryan Clayton's superior, is the {{CIA}} director overseeing the Department of Paranormal Activities, specifically their Infraworld condenser experiments, in hopes of enhancing the US Government and military power. When the DPA studied a pregnant psychic woman named Norah Gray, [=McGrath=] had her institutionalized and put into a permanent medically induced coma after she gives birth since [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness she's become a liability]]. Years later, when Norah's daughter [[PlayerCharacter Jodie Holmes]] is recruited into the CIA, [=McGrath=] assigns her on a mission to assassinate a democratically-elected African president, having her believe him to be a dictator. Said president sought to bring peace to his war-torn country, which was made impossible due to the assassination. When the government captures Jodie, [=McGrath=] sends her on another mission to destroy another condenser in China, resulting in most of the team being killed and Ryan potentially being tortured and [[losing his eye]]. After the mission, [=McGrath=] announces his plan to have the military conquer the Infraworld and weaponize the demon-like entities within. While Jodie was promised to be set free with a clean slate after the mission, [=McGrath=] [[ILied has Jodie captured]], intending to place her in a coma as he did with her mother, gloating about it to her face. Despite this, he [[VillainsWantMercy still begs and expects Jodie and Ryan to save him when the entities wreck havoc]], before they leave him to his fate.

* NeverLiveItDown: David Cage's assertion that game overs "are a failure of the game designer" (hence the reason that you're unable to get a game over at any point) has been mercilessly mocked by plenty of people, mostly because it's not only an extremely stupid thing to say (the lengths that the game goes to to avoid giving you a game over can verge on DeusExMachina) but also because some of his previous games, like ''VideoGame/{{Fahrenheit}}'', ''had game overs.''
** It also has two pretty bad implications, the first is that he says nothing you do leads to a failure state or dead end, despite how that's a completely reasonable thing to have. What, if you take too many bullets in a shooter are you supposed to keep playing as you recover in the hospital and miss the rest of the story? But it's the implication off of that that's the worst, if there are no failure states, then from a gameplay perspective, very little of what you do matters. Someone who tries their hardest might get a better ending, but it still says that someone who does every single decision and action wrong will still get to the end so how much should you really care?

** Norah Gray[[spoiler:, Jodie and Aiden's mother. She was a psychic who was put through experiments similar to Jodie, except she didn't have anyone as kind as Nathan or Cole to look out for her, she was made to get pregnant by another psychic, and to top it all off, her son was stillborn and her daughter was taken away from her. She's then put into a permanent coma by the CIA, and spends the next twenty odd years being tormented by dark spirits she can't get away from.]]

* FandomRivalry: With ''VideoGame/TheLastOfUs'', which is also a PS3 exclusive. Aside from that, the games have little in common, outside of Ellie (One of the main characters in ''The Last Of Us'') looked like Creator/EllenPage in early development. The rivalry began in earnest when Ellen herself brought the issue up, which was a genuine case of shit-stirring on the interviewer's behalf because Page was quizzed as to her thoughts on that one and apparently didn't have it explained to her that the character model had long been changed for Ellie. There's still some people who think Ellie still looks like Page, but the resemblance isn't as blatant as it once was.