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* TookTheBadFilmSeriously: Say what you want about the script and it’s insult to biology and the law system, but the actors are clearly giving their all.

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* TookTheBadFilmSeriously: Say what you want about the script and it’s its insult to biology and the law system, but the actors are clearly giving their all.
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* JerkassWoobie: Ken may have anger issues, but his girlfriend dumped him for a bee which he is allergic to. However, the fact that he tried to murder Barry, even when he showed politeness to Ken, [[DeconstructedTrope turns this around]].

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* JerkassWoobie: Ken may have anger issues, but his girlfriend dumped him for a bee to which he is allergic to.allergic. However, the fact that he tried to murder Barry, even when he showed politeness to Ken, [[DeconstructedTrope turns this around]].



* UnintentionallySympathetic: Ken's supposed to be an unlikable JerkJock, but it's a little hard not to sympathize with him for the fact that his girlfriend leaves him ''for a talking bee.'' A bee who, as noted above, actually poses a genuine threat to Ken's safety, given his severe allergy to bee stings. However, Barry never actually tries to attack him and Vanessa leaving Ken for him was of her own choosing rather than Barry manipulating her to leave Ken. That and trying to murder Barry when it’s proved he’s a sentient bee? Dick move, Ken.

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* UnintentionallySympathetic: Ken's Zigagged with Ken. True, he's supposed to be an unlikable JerkJock, but it's a little hard not to sympathize with him for the fact that his girlfriend leaves him ''for a talking bee.'' A bee who, as noted above, actually poses a genuine threat to Ken's safety, given his severe allergy to bee stings. However, Barry never actually tries to attack him and Vanessa leaving Ken for him was of her own choosing rather than Barry manipulating her to leave Ken. That and trying to murder Barry when it’s proved he’s a sentient bee? Dick move, Ken.
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* TookTheBadFilmSeriously: Say what you want about the script and it’s insult to biology and the law system, but the actors are clearly giving their all.
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They are constantly winking at the possibility of a relationship. It's not "unfounded" at all.


* CommonKnowledge: A few complaints regarding the movie is a romance between a human and insect and how the boyfriend of the girl is right to despise him. However, Barry and Vanessa actually remain friends and Vanessa is only nice to Barry, not romantically attracted to him. So really, these complaints are entirely unfounded.
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Not hindsight. See here


* FunnyAneurysmMoment: In one scene, police pin down someone; said person then says, “I can’t breathe!”. This is rather uncomfortable after the murder of George Floyd in 2020.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Ken, due to being played by Creator/PatrickWarburton and being [[UnintentionallySympathetic bizarrely sympathetic]].

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Ken, Ken's role in the film is really small but he leaves an impression due to being played by Creator/PatrickWarburton and being [[UnintentionallySympathetic bizarrely sympathetic]].
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The movie wasn’t an outright bomb, but it wasn’t a huge success either.


* WatchItForTheMeme: The movie did poorly in theaters, but the huge amount of memes about it prompted a resurgence of popularity in TheNewTens.

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* WatchItForTheMeme: The movie did poorly so-so in theaters, but the huge amount of memes about it prompted a resurgence of popularity in TheNewTens.
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Audience Alienating Premise is for works that didn't make their money back. This film had a budget of $150 million and almost made back more than half at nearly $294 million, so it doesn't apply.


* AudienceAlienatingPremise: The movie is in part about a romance between a male bee and a full-size human woman. Many critics highlighted this as an issue with the movie, and this likely contributed to its poor box office performance. On the other hand, it also lent itself to the eventual MemeticMutation of the entire film. One thing that hurt it for sure though is, not unlike other animated movies of the time, it could not settle on whether the target audience were mainly adults or children. The movie tries to simultaneously be sardonic and whimsical, resulting in an awkward tone that goes all over the place.
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* CommonKnowledge: A few complaints regarding the movie is a romance between a human and insect and how the boyfriend of the girl hu,AJ is right to despise him. However, Barry and Vanessa actually remain friends and Vanessa is only nice to Barry, not romantically attracted to him. So really, these complaints are entirely unfounded.

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* CommonKnowledge: A few complaints regarding the movie is a romance between a human and insect and how the boyfriend of the girl hu,AJ is right to despise him. However, Barry and Vanessa actually remain friends and Vanessa is only nice to Barry, not romantically attracted to him. So really, these complaints are entirely unfounded.
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* CommonKnowledge: A few complaints regarding the movie is a romance between a human and insect and how the boyfriend of the girl hu,AJ is right to despise him. However, Barry and Vanessa actually remain friends and Vanessa is only nice to Barry, not romantically attracted to him. So really, these complaints are entirely unfounded.
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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: In one scene, police pin down someone; said person then says, “I can’t breathe!”. This is rather uncomfortable after the murder of George Floyd in 2020.
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* OneSceneWonder: Creator/RayLiotta as [[AdamWesting a deranged version of himself.]]

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* OneSceneWonder: Creator/RayLiotta as [[AdamWesting a deranged version of himself.]]and Music/{{Sting}} AdamWesting during the trial.
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* OneSceneWonder: Creator/RayLiotta as [[AdamWesting a deranged version of himself.]]
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They Wasted A Perfectly Good Plot is not for stuff that isn't even acknowledged in the movie or to make theories about how it would actually work - it's about themes and plots that could have been developed in deeper ways.


* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: As weird as it may sound, this movie could've had potential if they did some simple fact-checking about bees. Barry being a male bee who is [[CelibateHero uninterested in reproduction]] and wants to be useful in a different way by becoming part of the all female Pollinators is both an interesting source for conflict and also a good allegory for both genders that following societal expectations is optional. Simply inserting a KnightTemplar with the Queen Bee and leaving Vanessa, Ken and Barry becoming a lawyer out of the script would've arguably made for a better movie.
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** Barry wins the case by asking if nature intended for Bees to be "[[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything honey slaves to the WHITE MAN?!?]]" Cue the one black lawyer on the opposition awkwardly scooting his chair away from the other lawyers and Montgomery, who are all white. Even more so when Montgomery angrily whispers "[[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything He's playing the species card!]]"

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** Barry wins the case by asking if nature intended for Bees to be "[[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything honey slaves to the WHITE MAN?!?]]" Cue It's surreal enough to be at least little funny, but then the one black lawyer on the opposition awkwardly scooting scoots his chair away from the other lawyers and Montgomery, who are all white. Even more so when Montgomery angrily whispers "[[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything He's playing the species card!]]"
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** Part of the montage after Barry's ban on bee-harvested honey is put into effect shows animal control ''tranquilizing Franchise/WinnieThePooh''.,

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** Part of the montage after Barry's ban on bee-harvested honey is put into effect shows animal control ''tranquilizing Franchise/WinnieThePooh''.,
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* JerkassWoobie: Ken may have anger issues, but his girlfriend dumped him for a bee which he is allergic of. However, the fact that he tried to murder Barry, even when he showed politeness to Ken, [[DeconstructedTrope turns this around]].

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* JerkassWoobie: Ken may have anger issues, but his girlfriend dumped him for a bee which he is allergic of.to. However, the fact that he tried to murder Barry, even when he showed politeness to Ken, [[DeconstructedTrope turns this around]].
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This trope applies only to specific characters that get a lot of memes made out of them, not entire works.


* FountainOfMemes: Like the ''WesternAnimation/{{Shrek}}'' franchise and ''WesternAnimation/TheRoadToElDorado'', ''Bee Movie'' is one of the most quotable [=DreamWorks=] Animation films.
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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: The movie is about a romance between a male bee and a full-size human woman. Many critics highlighted this as an issue with the movie, and this likely contributed to its poor box office performance. On the other hand, it also lent itself to the eventual MemeticMutation of the entire film. One thing that hurt it for sure though is, not unlike other animated movies of the time, it could not settle on whether the target audience were mainly adults or children. The movie tries to simultaneously be sardonic and whimsical, resulting in an awkward tone that goes all over the place.

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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: The movie is in part about a romance between a male bee and a full-size human woman. Many critics highlighted this as an issue with the movie, and this likely contributed to its poor box office performance. On the other hand, it also lent itself to the eventual MemeticMutation of the entire film. One thing that hurt it for sure though is, not unlike other animated movies of the time, it could not settle on whether the target audience were mainly adults or children. The movie tries to simultaneously be sardonic and whimsical, resulting in an awkward tone that goes all over the place.
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"some fans dislike" would apply for basically every fictional character ever. Not enough to be a Scrappy


* TheScrappy: Some fans hate or just dislike Barry due to Ken effectively getting cucked by a bee. It helps very much so that Ken himself is an UnintentionallySympathetic character, with some of these same fans being glad that Barry probably has less than 4 months to live.
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* HarsherInHindsight: The scene where an old woman is arrested [[FelonyMisdemeanor for putting honey in her tea]], (It MakesAsMuchSenseInContext,) and yells "I can't breathe!" becomes very difficult to watch after 2020. [[{{Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement}} Let's leave it at that.]]
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* TheScrappy: Some fans hate or just dislike Barry due to Ken effectively getting cucked by a bee. It helps very much so that Ken himself is an UnintentionallySympathetic character, with some of these same fans being glad that Barry probably has less than 12 days to live.

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* TheScrappy: Some fans hate or just dislike Barry due to Ken effectively getting cucked by a bee. It helps very much so that Ken himself is an UnintentionallySympathetic character, with some of these same fans being glad that Barry probably has less than 12 days 4 months to live.

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** Part of the montage after Barry's ban on bee-harvested honey is put into effect shows animal control ''tranquilizing Franchise/WinnieThePooh''.

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* TheScrappy: Some fans hate or just dislike Barry due to Ken effectively getting cucked by a bee. It helps very much so that Ken himself is an UnintentionallySympathetic character, with some of these same fans being glad that Barry probably has less than 12 days to live.
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* HarsherInHindsight: The scene where an old woman is arrested [[FelonyMisdemeanor for putting honey in her tea]], (It MakesAsMuchSenseInContext,) and yells "I can't breathe!" becomes very difficult to watch after 2020. [[{{Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement}} Let's leave it at that.]]
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* UnacceptableTargets: Some viewers were annoyed with the gag of Franchise/WinnieThePooh getting tranquilized, feeling it was hitting too close to childhood.

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